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Hi there! I copied the material from Draft:Black Is King and pasted it into Black Is King, as I was not aware of the issue with attribution. I did so because another user wanted to create an article for Black Is King, but at the time Black Is King was a redirect and they did not know how to convert a redirect to an article, and so they created Draft:Black Is King through AfC. I then converted the redirect into an article and copied what was in the draft. There has since been edits made by others to the article. It was then raised to my attention that the histories need to be merged. I hope you can help with this! Thank you :) Bgkc4444 (talk) 00:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Bgkc4444
  Done. Primefac (talk) 00:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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Apologies! I meant to merge Draft:Halo (TV series). The Optimistic One (talk) 23:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Still no cut/paste page move, and there are still parallel histories. Declined (again). Primefac (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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@Primefac: I’m going to delete User:PhilipTerryGraham/Commercial Crew Program for cleanup, but I don’t want the long and extensive edit history of the page to disappear. Can we make the merge anyways? I honestly don’t see the problem here; what Ill effects would it even have? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 00:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
No, but I'll delete it under WP:U1. Primefac (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Primefac: Excuse me? I didn’t ask you to do that. I want my edit history back, please. I don’t understand why you’re giving me such a hard time over this... I’d like to ask @Anthony Appleyard: for some assistance here, and a proper explanation as to why the history merge can’t happen. I just wanted some help, not this... – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 17:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
History merges are done to preserve attribution. For example, let's say there is an article Example. Editor A copies Example to Draft:Example.
  • In scenario 1, editor A asks editors B and C to help improve the Draft, which after a few dozen edits is copied back to Example by editor A. In this case, the edits made by B and C need to receive proper attribution, so Draft:Example is merged into Example.
  • In scenario 2, editor A works on the Draft for a while, and then copies that finished product back to Example. They have done all of the work themselves, so there is no concern about attribution because (from the perspective of the Article) only one editor has actually changed the content.
Your request falls under "scenario 2", and thus a histmerge is not necessary. If you do not want to delete the history of User:PhilipTerryGraham/Commercial Crew Program but still want a "clean" editing history, create something like User:PhilipTerryGraham/sandbox or User:PhilipTerryGraham/Commercial Crew Program v2; the name can always be changed if it ends up being moved into the Article space. Primefac (talk) 18:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Primefac: I understand this, I'm moreso asking why it's this way. What are the ill effects of simply merging the original edit history into the mainspace article that prompts a denial of this kind of histmerge request? Hopefully my wording is much clearer now. At the very least, thankfully, I got the edit history back through an undeletion request, so I no longer need assistance in that regard. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 18:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Primefac and PhilipTerryGraham: Let this happen: Page X is copied to page Y. User P edits X, and at the same time user Q edits Y. Then, these edited forms of X and Y are text-merged to make a new page Z. This text-merging cannot be followed up by a history-merging, for reasons explained at WP:Parallel histories. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@Anthony Appleyard and Primefac: Is there any option for me as a normal editor to be able to transplant the edit history into a mainspace article? Like, would it be acceptable, for example, for me to move User:PhilipTerryGraham/Commercial Crew Program (the page with the complete edit history) to something like Commercial Crew Program v2, then move Commercial Crew Program to Draft:Commercial Crew Program, and then make a technical move request for Commercial Crew Program v2 to be moved to Commercial Crew Program? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 22:36, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
That is a waste of both your time and ours. Primefac (talk) 00:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Primefac and PhilipTerryGraham: The English Wikipedia has one information note about each edit that users have made. If page X is text-split into pages Y and Z, by cut-and-paste, and someone calls for history-merge of X to Y and of X to Z, the information note about each edit of X can be moved to Y's edit history, or to Z's edit history, but not to both. Moving it to both would need the information note to be duplicated. That is called "cloning". Cloning can be done in the German Wikipedia, but not in the English Wikipedia. All that can be done is to put edit history information sections in the end of Talk:X and in the starts of Talk:Y and Talk:Z . See WP:Parallel histories. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • The edits for Draft:Giuseppe Cristiano (version 2) from 02:52, 5 March 2020 and earlier should be merged into the history of Draft:Giuseppe Cristiano. After that, the "version 2" redirect should then be deleted. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
      Not done, parallel histories with only one editor in the timeframe mentioned. Primefac (talk) 14:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • The page Draft:Golden Sercet (Band) contains a typo in its title. Its edits from 25 May 2020 (but not the latest 27 May 2020 edit) should be merged into the history of Draft:Golden Secret, after which the page with the typo in its title should then be deleted. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
      Not done, only one editor. Primefac (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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