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Can you identify which simpsons episode features this janitor/language gag ? edit
Question: There is a gag in a simpson's episode and I would like to know which episode.
Here is the gag.
A bunch of students are standing in an auditorium or gym, and a man asks "Everyone who has spring break plans, please take one step back (or forward?) ... everyone steps back except Lisa and the janitor ... then the man asks the same question in spanish, then even the *janitor* steps, leaving lisa all alone in shame.
What episode does this gag appear in ?
Try looking for episodes that prominently feature Spring Break as a plot device, like Bart on the Road or Kill the Alligator and Run 157.203.254.1 (talk) 09:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's not an episode of the Simpsons, it's Family Guy. Sorry, I can't recall the title, but it ends with Lois taking Meg to Spring Break to show her how to have a good time. Matt Deres (talk) 13:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you're correct, it seems the episode is "A Fish out of Water". Dismas|(talk) 13:26, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks!
Triple minor penalty in hockey edit
I have cited a source in the article for penalty (ice hockey) and penalty box that a triple minor penalty exists and has been called in games before. Does the NHL book of rules mention this kind of penalty anywhere? If it does, I would like to cite it. I have not been able to find it in any article of the NHL's official book of rules. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 07:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Not in the rulebook, but this book claims the first NHL player to get assessed that many was the Habs' John Ferguson, Sr. against Detroit's Gary Bergman on December 7, 1967. Each was penalized for charging and slashing, but Ferguson also got nailed for high sticking - five penalties for the same incident! Clarityfiend (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Fergie was not the kind of player you wanted to get on the wrong side of. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Players who have won the Stanley Cup edit
How can I find the name of every player that has won the Stanley Cup? I am referring to every single player, which includes everyone who was on the roster when their team won the cup; also including players who did not have their name engraved because they did not qualify; as the article Stanley Cup winning players does not list everyone. For example, Jake Muzzin was on the Kings roster when they won their first Stanley Cup; Mark Hartigan won two Stanley Cups; and Doug Lidster won two Stanley Cups, even though his name was not engraved when he won the cup with Dallas. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 08:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Reading that wikipedia article it says it lists players not engraved, so I find that to be a very complete list. Jake Muzzin was on a team called the Manchester Monarchs for the entire 2011-12 season and not a member of the LA Kings, so he would neither be engraved or even listed on a wikipedia article making allowances for those not engraved. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 20:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Muzzin was called up during the playoffs and was a member of the Kings when they won the Stanley Cup, and he is in the team picture. He just did not appear in any games, unlike Trent Hunter, who was not on the roster when they won their first Stanley Cup. I cited a source in the article about Jake Muzzin that says he was called up, as well as Marc-Andre Cliche and Martin Jones. And the article Stanley Cup winning players only lists player who were engraved, or were not engraved but qualify under today's rules, not players who are not engraved and did not appear in at least half of the regular season games or one finals game. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 21:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm seeing that now reading the entire article, but alas no stat sheet (since he didn't play one game that probably explains it). I guess you could be WP:BOLD and add him under the category of other like players on that wiki article, but I would feel its pretty flimsy since he just road a bench for a little more than a week (or two) after playing an entire season with another team. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 00:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I already said that he did not appear in a game that season, which is the reason there is no stat sheet. But he was officially on the roster and the Kings organization says he was a member of the Stanley Cup winning team. Just because he was briefly on the roster during the playoffs does not mean he was not a member of the cup winning team. The Kings organization says he was a member of that team. And he got to hold the cup and was included in the team picture. I just think that is important to include complete rosters. It isn't about appearing in games, it's about being on the roster. How can I find every player in NHL history who have won a Stanley Cup? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 03:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- This is the NHL's list up to 2008. I've looked at hockeydb.com and hockey-reference.com both don't have cup winner lists as far as I can see, however both exclude Muzzin from the 2011-12 LA Kings rosters. As far as your broader question you may try asking it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey they may know of a more detailed resource but I'm thinking the reason wikipedia, hockeydb, hockey-reference and NHL.com exclude some players is because there is a consensus that only actives on rosters or with ice time should be the ones counted. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 06:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Those sites only list statistics of players with ice time, they do not list players who are on the roster who do not appear in any games. The NHL teams think this consensus is wrong, and they count everyone on the roster, whether they appear in games or not. The citations I made clearly state that these three players were on the roster at the time. Currently NHL.com says Tanner Pearson is on the Kings current roster, and he has not even played in a game yet. Does hockeydb or hockey-reference list Pearson on the Kings current roster? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 07:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- This is the NHL's list up to 2008. I've looked at hockeydb.com and hockey-reference.com both don't have cup winner lists as far as I can see, however both exclude Muzzin from the 2011-12 LA Kings rosters. As far as your broader question you may try asking it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey they may know of a more detailed resource but I'm thinking the reason wikipedia, hockeydb, hockey-reference and NHL.com exclude some players is because there is a consensus that only actives on rosters or with ice time should be the ones counted. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 06:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Muzzin was called up during the playoffs and was a member of the Kings when they won the Stanley Cup, and he is in the team picture. He just did not appear in any games, unlike Trent Hunter, who was not on the roster when they won their first Stanley Cup. I cited a source in the article about Jake Muzzin that says he was called up, as well as Marc-Andre Cliche and Martin Jones. And the article Stanley Cup winning players only lists player who were engraved, or were not engraved but qualify under today's rules, not players who are not engraved and did not appear in at least half of the regular season games or one finals game. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 21:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused. The rules are pretty clear on who is considered a cup winner and who is not. The NHL and the Cup trustees have set those rules as it their right as custodians of the cup, so if they say a roster player is not a winner, who are we (or the winning teams, even) to say otherwise? Mingmingla (talk) 15:26, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Because occasionally, very rarely, a player may get the privilege of wearing a sweater and sitting on the bench while the team wins the Stanley Cup, or maybe gets to appear in the team photo wearing said sweater. The OP is under the mistaken impression that those players should be counted as winning the Stanley Cup. I am with you, though; the league and trustees rulings on who is officially on the team when the cup is won should be seen as authoritative, and any other players who had some technical connection to the team, but were not deemed to have officially "won the cup" are not relevant. Our opinions as to whether or not such players should have been said to "win the cup" are irrelevant; if the officials in charge have said they didn't, they didn't. It should be that simple. --Jayron32 15:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps the way Jayron32 and Mingmingla is better, after so many replies I do wonder if OP titled it somewhat strangely. The true inquiry seems to be players not qualified to be listed but still with some random temporary connection to the team that may personally or even have team management claim as "cup winners". Since the cup goes back to 1890s & has gone through several incarnations (minor, pro, etc.) if any online resource did compile such a list it would seem to me that its more of a research project or book form since caveats would be needed for all possible claims over 120 some years. The editors that may know of any resource such as that would most likely be found on that Hockey discussion page I listed earlier. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 16:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oceans 12 was one "entertaining" source: Let me break it down like a fraction for you about my man Fred "Bud" Kelly. Fred "Bud" Kelly made skates out of whiskey bottles at his uncle's farm in the early 1900s. That was over there in Nova Scotia. I'm gonna tell you something else. You never seen his name on the Stanley Cup. You know why that is? Because that son of a b Jim Crow, took his name off the history books. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 16:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Very often these players get the privilege to wear a sweater, hold the cup, and appear in the team picture because they are officially on the team's roster at the time, meaning that they are eligible to play, although they are likely to be healthy scratches. Bruce Racine, Jakub Kindl, the three players for the Kings that I mentioned, Jason Elliott, and Brad Thiessen were on the roster at the time their team won the cup. They often also get to spend a day with the cup. What's so strange about the fact that teams often inlcude the complete roster in the team picture and give them a day with the cup? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oceans 12 was one "entertaining" source: Let me break it down like a fraction for you about my man Fred "Bud" Kelly. Fred "Bud" Kelly made skates out of whiskey bottles at his uncle's farm in the early 1900s. That was over there in Nova Scotia. I'm gonna tell you something else. You never seen his name on the Stanley Cup. You know why that is? Because that son of a b Jim Crow, took his name off the history books. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 16:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps the way Jayron32 and Mingmingla is better, after so many replies I do wonder if OP titled it somewhat strangely. The true inquiry seems to be players not qualified to be listed but still with some random temporary connection to the team that may personally or even have team management claim as "cup winners". Since the cup goes back to 1890s & has gone through several incarnations (minor, pro, etc.) if any online resource did compile such a list it would seem to me that its more of a research project or book form since caveats would be needed for all possible claims over 120 some years. The editors that may know of any resource such as that would most likely be found on that Hockey discussion page I listed earlier. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 16:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Because occasionally, very rarely, a player may get the privilege of wearing a sweater and sitting on the bench while the team wins the Stanley Cup, or maybe gets to appear in the team photo wearing said sweater. The OP is under the mistaken impression that those players should be counted as winning the Stanley Cup. I am with you, though; the league and trustees rulings on who is officially on the team when the cup is won should be seen as authoritative, and any other players who had some technical connection to the team, but were not deemed to have officially "won the cup" are not relevant. Our opinions as to whether or not such players should have been said to "win the cup" are irrelevant; if the officials in charge have said they didn't, they didn't. It should be that simple. --Jayron32 15:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- I suppose there is a difference between official cup winners and players on a stanley cup winning roster. What I meant was a list of players to be on the roster when their team won the cup, not necessarily ones who officially qualify to win the cup. You don't think that these players should be left out of the team picture, and not get to spend a day with the cup, do you? NHL teams generally believe that players who do not qualify deserve to be in the team picture just like everyone else and still treat them like Stanley Cup champions. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 00:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- What we think is irrelevant to what we do at this reference desk. You asked questions about what the rules were, we've given you those rules. What we do or don't think isn't what we're here to do. --Jayron32 02:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- To concur with Jayron32 and repeat one of my original replies I think OP may best discuss possible resources that have investigated such borderline cup involved players at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey, if anyone knows of hockey data sources it would be those editors. Its an interesting question but the NHL has drawn a Bright-Line so any discussion of the merits of those rules is a sisyphean task. The players who were part of the team but not included in the list might be a good book to write after years of research if one hasn't been written already. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 04:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for helping me get an idea to list these players. I may write a book or create a web site to list all of them. How often are these players who do not qualify to have their name engraved actually included in the team picture? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 04:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- There's only been 98 years when the Cup has been contested by the NHL or related leagues. You just need to compare the list of names engraved on the cup to each year's champion's team picture. --Jayron32 04:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- I will look at the team pictures. Sometimes I cannot tell whether a player is in the picture or not because a team generally has about 30 players on the roster and some might be covered up by other players. I don't believe Garrett Stafford was in the Red Wings 2008 Stanley cup championship picture, but it is possible that he is covered up. Kim Johnsson was not in the Blackhawks team picture because he had a severe concussion and could not go anywhere because he needed to rest. Does anyone know for sure if Garrett Stafford isn't in the picture or is covered up; or if Kyle Beach, Hannu Toivonen, Shawn Lalonde, Jassen Cullimore, Jake Dowell, Corey Crawford, or Danny Richmond were in the Blackhawks team picture? I have seen the pictures and could not identify everyone. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- Although I am regularly amazed at the level of knowledge and skill at finding sources on these reference desks I think your quest of a list of those type players during the last five seasons or even the last century is beyond our capability, perhaps any editors capability. The question is a good one but is the type answered by a doctoral thesis or book after potentially years of research (and lots of footnote explanations), now such a resource could already exist albeit a year or two old but if any editors would know of it the ones at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey would. The question as I understand it is best answered with explanations on each individual player since each team would have different reasons for including or excluding them from the photo so I think you're looking for a very long essay or book, possibly a TV documentary or dozens of team yearbooks/media guides, thats why the wikiproject may be your only chance at tips for that. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 01:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- I will look at the team pictures. Sometimes I cannot tell whether a player is in the picture or not because a team generally has about 30 players on the roster and some might be covered up by other players. I don't believe Garrett Stafford was in the Red Wings 2008 Stanley cup championship picture, but it is possible that he is covered up. Kim Johnsson was not in the Blackhawks team picture because he had a severe concussion and could not go anywhere because he needed to rest. Does anyone know for sure if Garrett Stafford isn't in the picture or is covered up; or if Kyle Beach, Hannu Toivonen, Shawn Lalonde, Jassen Cullimore, Jake Dowell, Corey Crawford, or Danny Richmond were in the Blackhawks team picture? I have seen the pictures and could not identify everyone. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- There's only been 98 years when the Cup has been contested by the NHL or related leagues. You just need to compare the list of names engraved on the cup to each year's champion's team picture. --Jayron32 04:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for helping me get an idea to list these players. I may write a book or create a web site to list all of them. How often are these players who do not qualify to have their name engraved actually included in the team picture? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 04:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- To concur with Jayron32 and repeat one of my original replies I think OP may best discuss possible resources that have investigated such borderline cup involved players at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey, if anyone knows of hockey data sources it would be those editors. Its an interesting question but the NHL has drawn a Bright-Line so any discussion of the merits of those rules is a sisyphean task. The players who were part of the team but not included in the list might be a good book to write after years of research if one hasn't been written already. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 04:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- What we think is irrelevant to what we do at this reference desk. You asked questions about what the rules were, we've given you those rules. What we do or don't think isn't what we're here to do. --Jayron32 02:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)