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Checking from behind penalty in the NHL

I don't believe a there is an automatic misconduct or game misconduct under NHL rules if the penalty is a minor, double minor, or triple minor. Am I correct? I could not find anything in the NHL's book of rules that says a misconduct or game misconduct is automatic if the penalty is a minor double minor, or triple minor. What are the requirements to impose a double minor, triple minor, or major penalty for checking from behind? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 08:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Here is the NHL rulebook for 2013. Penalties are section 4 (starting page 25), and the fouls that incur the penalties in section 6 (starting page 64). The level of penalty is generally based on the specific infraction, they come in 6 levels: minor (2 minutes or until goal is scored by opponents), double minor (4 minutes or until goal is scored by opponents), major (5 minutes, served in full), match penalty (player removed from game, substitution allowed after 5 minutes), misconduct penalty (10 minutes, substitution allowed immediately unless coincident with another penalty type), game misconduct penalty (player suspended for duration of the game, substitution immediately allowed unless coincident with another penalty type). Some penalties accumulate: Any player who incurs 3 major penalties has an automatic game misconduct penalty applied, for example. Checking from behind is covered by rule #43, and mentioned in other rules (such as rule #23.5) as part of a suite of penalties known as "stick related infractions". Such infractions accumulate throughout the season, such that a player assessed two stick related infractions in a 41 game stretch is automatically suspended 2 games and fined. Rule #43 states that all checking from behind penalties are at least a major penalty (there is no minor or double minor checking from behind option), and that at the referee's discretion, a player may also be assessed a match penalty for deliberately attempting to injure the other player. In addition to the major/match penalty the rules ALSO state that "A game misconduct penalty must be assessed anytime a major penalty is applied for checking from behind." That is, checking from behind is guaranteed to get a player thrown out of a game; in addition his team must also play shorthanded for 5 minutes (to serve out the major). In practical terms, there's not much difference to the game whether it's a "major + game misconduct" or "match + game misconduct" because both scenarios involve losing the player for the balance of the game, and playing shorthanded for 5 minutes. The difference is likely in how the penalties accumulate throughout the season for fines and suspensions, match penalties probably cause greater sanctions than major penalties. I hope that clarifies things. The NHL rulebook, linked above, is both comprehensive and fairly readable, so if you have any other questions about the rules, I'd check there first. --Jayron32 15:49, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Why can't the manufacturer of NHL 13 change this to be correct? I find it odd that when I play the game I often receive a double minor and no game misconduct for checking from behind. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 20:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, it could be that that rule was new for the 2012-2013 season. I have not checked the 2012 rules, but remember that like new car models, the "years" of EA Sports Games are a year early, i.e. expect Madden 14 to come out before the 2013 NFL season. The game may have been using rules that were accurate when the game was written. Also remember that the EA sports games aren't really new every season. What you basically get each year is a roster update and a GUI change and not much else new; usually some meaningless feature designed to make the game sound "new", but which doesn't alter game play that much. So, the rules used by the game may be several years old, and just that the programmers never got around to updating them. This happens a lot. --Jayron32 21:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Russian rap? song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iiQDZZGh1o

Can anybody tell me the name of the song and author that is in this video? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.157.127.68 (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

You might do better on the Language Ref Desk as it requires a Russian speaker. Bielle (talk) 21:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

The title of the video says "DTP or the "hooliganka" (i.e., little gansta) representatives of the youth of the Caucasus in Moscow" which seems to be a description, not the title of a song or group. Kiril or Jack or someone else may have a better explanation. μηδείς (talk) 02:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the nod, but rapid-fire Russian speech is virtually double Dutch to me. It's way too fast for my current (and deteriorating by the day) level. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Come on, Jack, you don't spend at least a few hours a day smoking weed and listening to embarrassingly white rap-polka fusion? μηδείς (talk) 03:39, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, of course I do; doesn't everyone? But I still have no idea what I'm listening to most of the time. Anyway, I don't really focus on the words; I'm too busy talking to the blue man who comes out of my TV. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 07:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Movies, Clocks, Shirts, and Olympiads

Why do these things use Roman Numerals mostly? Sam L. Hilliard (talk) 15:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps in the same way law and medicine tends to use Latin, because it is timeless and not interpreted differently depending on what generation you are in, for instance Google and Gay didn't mean 50 years ago what we consider them to mean today. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 17:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Consider the meanings to very different ends of the political spectrum of numbers such as 420 and 1984. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 17:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but... shirts? XXXL isn't a Roman numeral, y'know. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 18:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure it is. It works in the Alternative Universe where shirt sizes decrease as body size increases. M = size 1000; L = size 50; XL = size 40 .... XXXXL = size 10. But wait, there's more! XXXXXL = size 0. XXXXXXL = size -10 ..... It's fun. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I cannot help myself. One largish gentleman was discussing another largish gentleman, and pointed out that they both wore the same shirt size, SM - Small Marquee. HiLo48 (talk) 00:01, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

If you look at Roman numerals#Modern usage gives some other examples of their usage. It also give what seems to be the most popular reason for their use in films and TV. On the other hand I do like this reason. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Casey Jones

Is it possible that the country-western song "Casey Jones" evolved from the Irish dance tune "Bo Mhin na Toitean"? (I don't mean the lyrics, only the tune itself.) 24.23.196.85 (talk) 19:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I've just listened to both pieces an YouTube and the resemblance seems rather slight to me. In any event, proving a link between two similar melodies can only be speculation, without written evidence along the lines of "I heard Bo Mhin na Toitean and it inspired me to write Casey Jones". So it is possible I suppose, but nobody is going to be able to say for sure. Alansplodge (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 23:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

It should be noted that the Appalachian music presents an important bridge between to Country Music, and shows a strong influence from Irish, Scottish, and Scots-Irish music. So, it would not be unusual to find Celtic themes and snippets in country music, if only because you can draw straight lines from Scots-Irish settlers in Appalachia to Country Music itself. --Jayron32 02:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A wonderful resource for all thing folk music is Mudcat.org. A cursory search does not turn up an answer to this specific question, but you may wish to poke around in their archives or simply repost the question there. Those enthnomusicologists really know their stuff! Helene O'Troy - Et In Arcadia Ego Sum (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

What does Maryann chant?

Can anybody tell me the Greek-sounding words Maryann chants during the Bacchan revel in episode six of season two of True Blood? It sounds like she says "lolo..." folowed by words with Greek nominal endings, but I cannot make it out. A blog suggested she would be saying "lo lacchus" but she says more than that if that is part of it. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Found the answer myself at You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usEklHkugp4. μηδείς (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Female "The Doctor"

I remember a book where the Doctor regenerated into female. I think it's a BBC AU book (NOT Doctor_Who_and_the_Curse_of_Fatal_Death). Remember which? --Tyw7  (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) 21:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah ha! Got it! Exile_(audio_drama) --Tyw7  (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) 21:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)