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Why is Catch and Release (film) called Catch and Release?

XPPaul (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I haven't seen the film but based on the plot description in the film's article, it's because she "caught" her fiance and now that he's dead she must "release" him so that she can move on with her life. Dismas|^(talk) 04:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, as a fisher you don't catch a living and release a dead fish, so, it doesn't match completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XPPaul (talk • contribs) 05:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I understand your point but then Hollywood isn't especially known for its accuracy or being factual. Dismas|^(talk) 10:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

The film doesn't seem to have any association with fishing (there was a boating accident, but no mention of any fishing), so maybe the title comes from something else. If I were asking a question about this movie, it'd be, Why did they name the 2 characters who were engaged, Gray and Grady? Neither of them is obviously either a male name or a female name, so reading the plot just confused me as to who was who. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 20:08, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Is that a fishing pole in the promotional poster pic ? Perhaps it was supposed to be about fishing, but they altered the plot, retaining the original title and poster. StuRat (talk) 20:41, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

The plot summary suggests some kind of metaphorical "fishing" going on. And Jack makes a good point that with characters named "Gray" and "Grady", the plot appears hard to follow. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:56, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

There can be multiple reasons for a title and a deliberate decision to not make an offical explanation. Sometimes I get the impression a catchy title was chosen before inserting details to justify the title. [1] says "Gray moves in with her friends Dennis (Sam Jaeger), Grady's business partner at the fly fishing shop". Later it says "CATCH AND RELEASE draws its title from the fishing philosophy of Gray's fiancé and buddies." [2] says "the title refers to a fishing technique and there's an oh-so-symbolic fishing scene to hammer home the metaphor". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

help identifying music video/song

A music video shows an old man in a wheelchair (waiting to die?) with other old people. He watches a sunset loop (and his younger self playing a guitar?) on a TV screen. What song is this? serioushat 05:22, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Could it be Johnny Cash's version of "Hurt"? - JuneGloom Talk 20:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

It could be: Moby - Natural Blues. Jarkeld (talk) 21:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Natural Blues by Moby. Thanx y'all. serioushat 21:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Jim Hawkins (radio presenter)?

So apparently there is this (apparently borderline notable) American British radio personality who for some years has disliked his Wikipedia page (despite it already having been fixed to adhere to our BLP policy), to the point of even requesting that his date of birth be removed (despite the fact that IIRC, his DOB is easily found online). He also doesn't seem to have any page on other Wikipedias (the Jim Hawkins page on the German Wikipedia is a redirect to their article on Treasure Island). I don't want to view the article since I don't want to get involved in the heated discussions, and I do not want to start discussions on his notability, but according to the page, exactly what is his claim to notability? 112.208.76.31 (talk) 05:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

He is a well-known radio presenter in the UK. He is not American (and I wouldn't expect him to be mentioned in the German Wikipedia). Your question is answered more fully in the article, the reading of which will not involve any discussion. The DOB issue is discussed at tedious length on the talk page.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:49, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with "well-known". I live where he came from, and have lived in the area where he has a radio show, and I've never heard of him until now. Personally I'm not even sure he's notable enough for an article. --TammyMoet (talk) 08:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Rather than restart this matter here, please consider the AFD, DRV, AN and Jimbo threads running concurrently. What additional value is the Reference desk asked to provide? Franamax (talk) 08:57, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not debating his notability. I was just asking what was his claim to notability. 112.208.76.31 (talk) 10:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Being a fairly well-known broadcaster? Winning a Sony Award? Receiving multiple significant coverage in reliable sources? --Michig (talk) 15:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Being born in 1962? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Calling national champions "world" champions

In America, they have the four "big leagues": the NFL, MLB, the NBA and the NHL. In the case of the NFL, Super Bowl winners are frequently, but not officially, called "World" Champions (I put World in quotes because, ironically, the NFL is the only Big Four league without a full-time team in Canada [don't mention the Bills or the Rams, I know they play one game outside of America]). And let's not even get started on the "World" Series, called as such even though, ironically, only twenty-nine American teams and one lone Canadian team can ever participated in it (although the Blue Jays won it in 1993 and 1994), despite the fact that baseball is actually popular worldwide (see World Baseball Classic). And yes I know why it is called the World Series so there is no need to elaborate on it. IIRC, when the San Antonio Spurs won their first championship, they hanged banners that proclaimed them as "World Champions" but later changed them to "NBA Champions", which is understandable since basketball is the world's most popular indoor team sport^{[citation needed]} and there are many popular leagues across the world, especially in Europe and the Philippines. The Stanley Cup winners are usually called just that - Stanley Cup champions. So enough of that. My point is, is calling a league/national champion the "World" Champions an American-only thing, or are there non-American examples? I've never heard of a Yokozuna being called a "World Champion of Sumo". Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

You're wrong when you call the NBA, NHL and MLB American-only. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 19:48, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

How about going a bit further with Miss Universe ? I believe somebody (South Park ?) did a spoof where aliens showed up, naturally assuming it was open to them, too. StuRat (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm impressed that you know why it's called the World Series because nobody else does (the New York World theory has never been proved or disproved to date, but maybe you have new evidence?) --Colapeninsula (talk) 21:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

While it may be true that there are Hockey and/or Basketball and/or Baseball teams which could credibly defeat an NHL/NBA/MLB team, are there any non-U.S. based professional American football teams which could credibly defeat any NFL team, much less the Super Bowl Champ? If not, I would have no problem with the Super Bowl being claimed to be a "world" championship; if there are no credible challengers who are denied entry to the game, then how can the appelation be inaccurate. The Super Bowl champ is quite literally the best American Football team in the world, and if they are not, perhaps the OP could present a contender from outside of the U.S. they feel was denied a right to the title. On any given day, I could see a non-North American team contending against the best teams in the NBA/NHL/MLB, but not in the NFL. WRT the "World Series", while baseball is played in other countries (like Japan and Cuba for a few examples) at a high level, the name itself comes from a time when there were not any non-North American teams playing top-flight baseball. For example, Professional baseball in Japan didn't really get organized until the 1920s-1930s at a level comparable to the U.S., and the U.S. had been playing the World Series for decades at that point. --Jayron32 21:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I think the question has been derailed a bit. Are there any non-American sports leagues that do this? Mingmingla (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I was surprised to hear editors saying they don't understand why it's called the World Series, when the article on the subject goes to some length to explain why. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Not exactly. It gives one heavily disputed explanation (the one related to the New York World newspaper), but I wouldn't call that "some length". --Jayron32 02:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

If it no longer explains the facts, then someone chopped it out. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The New York World stuff has no basis in fact, and its alleged sources are unverifiable. The 1884 Series was called the World's Championship Series, as was the 1903 Series, for two examples. And when Selig presents the trophy each fall, he calls the Series winner the world champions, just after the TV announcer has pronounced them the world champions. The New York World had and has nothing to do with it. That's an idea that someone cooked up from nothing. Also, MLB is open to anyone from any nation with which the USA has diplomatic relations. It's not the American championship, it's the MLB championship. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Guys, my question is if there are non-American sports that call their national champions "'World' Champions"? As in, does the Australian Football League call their champion the "world champion" of Australian rules football? Does Japan call their yokozunas "world champions"? Is the champion of the mainly-Australian V8 Supercars racing series called the "World Champion of Supercar racing"? I've yet to hear any non-American sport calling their national champion the "world champion", which is why I asked this question. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

There has been and still are other sports where only one country is at "top-flight" level. But nobody here has found an example where another country has used the "World" term about a mainly domestic competition. I think it's still a legitimate question why USA chose and maintains the name "World Series", and I think it says something about American mentality and not merely about the quality compared to other countries. In many other places it would be considered a joke if a domestic competition was promoted as a World Championship/Series, and the name probably wouldn't stick no matter how poor other countries were. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

That might be true if the name were chosen today. However, it was chosen in 1884 (or possibly earlier), so it's a long-standing legacy. And please note that MLB includes many Latin American and Asian players. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:51, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

In the US other than Major League Baseball does any sport use "world" as part of an championships official title? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 02:00, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, the WWE seems to pretend it's a world-wide organization, and presumably the title reflects that (although I can't call such play-acting a "sport"). StuRat (talk) 02:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The only time I've ever heard the winner of the Australian Football League called world champions was when someone was making fun of the American custom under discussion here. HiLo48 (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

StuRat, that's why I used the word sport. I just thought to look at World Series (disambiguation) which has a few listed. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 05:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The World Snooker Championships does have competitors from various countries, but in its early days, often the only entrants were English. Similarly, the only contestants for the World Billiards Championship in English billiards were, for many years, English. Warofdreams talk 14:38, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

That's slightly unfair and inaccurate. I found just four early editions of the World Snooker Championship, all from the late 1920s/1930s, that had only English participants. However, pre-WWII, the tournament was something of a joke - several editions featured just two players, which is the case with two of those four instances. --Dweller (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Four with only English participants, and several more with only British participants. I don't see how my statement is unfair. Warofdreams talk 16:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Widening to British makes it fair. Cheers. --Dweller (talk) 09:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Wich v8 from other coubntries than america sounds like an american v8?

I woulöd know if there is any other v8 engine from other countrys that sounds like an v8 from america thankyou! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saludacymbals (talk • contribs) 21:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

The first problem is that judging engine note / exhaust note is entirely subjective. More a problem, though, is the prevalence of the term "exhaust note". Engines are rarely judged purely on the sound of the engine itself but rather on the sum total of the components of the entire system. So can you get a foreign V8 to sound like a domestic V8? If you hook it up to a domestic exhaust system, it'll probably be very close. And that only asks rather than answers: was the engine the interesting part of the comparison? — Lomn 23:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Look for a foreign V8 with a similar material (steel or aluminum), block size, displacement, timing, and compression ratio, then pair it with a similar exhaust system to the desired US system. The result should sound very much like the US engine. StuRat (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

You could try the Holden Monaro, made and sold in Australia as an Australian car by the local subsidiary of General Motors. HiLo48 (talk) 03:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Engine/exhaust sound might be entirely subjective, but that didn't stop Harley-Davidson trying to file a Sound trademark. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I note, though, that no such trademark was actually awarded -- largely on the basis of nine other motorcycle manufacturers pointing out that all v-twin engines sound pretty much the same. — Lomn 19:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)