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Michael Jackson Replaced-Lisa Marie Presley Married Replacement-Comment

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When the non-Onion News LAW ENFORCEMENT investigation is complete there will be plenty reliable sources concerning the identity of Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was reported missing in early 1993 and this started an LAPD investigation and a Federal investigation. I consider this discussion ended and do not wish any further help from the Reference Desk.70.145.222.142 (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC) Not really a question, and [1]. Seriously, it started with a joke website. And if you don't want help from the reference desk, there really is no purpose in you posting. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC) I was asking Wikipedia to consider that there was reliable information apart from the website.70.145.222.142 (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Music pages, lyrics in songs

why do the articles about individual songs never contain the lyrics for them? surely this information is easy to obtain and incredibly relevant to the articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.73.214 (talk) 02:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Two reasons:

1) Lyrics are generally copyrighted text. That means that the person who wrote the lyrics has the right to decide how and in what manner the lyrics are published. By publishing song lyrics in Wikipedia, then Wikipedia is violating the rights of the person who wrote the song, breaking the law, and is thus liable for damages against that person. Because of this Wikipedia does not publish copyright violations, see WP:COPYVIO.

2) Wikipedia encyclopedia articles are supposed to be, among other things, well written. Quality writing is much more than random lists of facts about a subject. There is an art to writing prose, and when Wikipedia articles are at their best, (see Wikipedia:Featured articles for some examples) the writing itself is pleasant to read. Quality articles about songs will discuss the lyrics, and may quote short passages for the purpose of analyzing those passages. However, simply writing the complete lyrics in the article itself doesn't make for great reading. In other words, just like everything else, there are editorial decisions when writing Wikipedia articles; that's why the best Wikipedia articles don't just look like someone vomited facts on the page, without regard for the flow and readibility of the text. So, even IF a song's lyrics are in the public domain, I would recommend against printing them in the article for the simple fact that they don't really belong.

If you want to find lyrics of songs, there are dozens of websites which publish them. I'll bet you can find them without help, so you don't really need Wikipedia for that... --Jayron32 02:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

More information on Wikipedia's policy regarding including public-domain text: WP:NOTREPOSITORY and Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Man abducted by aliens: video clip

Sometimes I see what I think are really great video clips of songs on this small community channel, and never see them again anywhere else. I was wondering if someone can help me find this one, maybe on Youtube. I’m not sure how to search for it there.

The clip was set like a retro sci fi movie in which a man is held captive in a space ship by these creatures with big heads with only one eye in the middle of them. He is teaching them how about baseball. Intercut with these scenes, his wife / girlfriend is waiting for him on Earth at some designated place. It becomes obvious that he has been abducted by these beings and it has been arranged for them to return him on some particular night at some place. (This is quite an elaborate plot for a video clip, especially as there is no dialogue to show any of this, you just have to work it out yourself.)

Then, on board, the abducted man gets the aliens to pitch him a baseball, and he bats at it, sending the ball straight at one of them, and into his eye. (Are you with me?) You see them begin to advance on him. Then we cut to a field at night, and the wife finds her husband lying in a crater with smoke all around. She looks at his face. His eyes are no longer there, just dark craters! He opens his mouth, and there, on the end of his tongue, IS AN EYE.

Now why isn’t something as superb as that better known? Great music too. There’s quite a few like that. I’ve only ever seen it that once, about three years ago, and would LOVE to see it again. Can you help? Myles325a (talk) 08:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles Pettigrew was a dear friend of mine. We met while studying at Berklee College, Boston, USA and i have some facts i would love to share in his respect.....

Charles Pettigrew was a dear friend of mine. We met while studying at Berklee College, Boston, USA and i have some facts i would love to share in his respect. I am crying as i am writing this so bear with me. Charles was one of a kind. A wonderful human being, generous beyond belief, gifted, sweet, uninterested, simple and i had the priviledge of working with him as we were students. But a student he did not need to be. He knew it all but never showed it... he passed away so soon like most gifted, human and smiling person... All i am trying here is to give you a few anecdotes which can be verified by other Berklee alumni such as Nicholas Sansano, record producer now teaching at Tisch NYU and Mark Oltarsh, guitar player and composer, currently working for a famour publishing house in NYC. I do not have any self interest in this but to first praise your site and the work you do and when i come across a matter that concerns me, i am thankful. So, i just thought it would be the right thing to do but to help in any small way i can. And Charlie came to mind first.

Like i said, i have little cute stories about charlie and us, musicians and also when he told us, back from nyc, he had met a guy in the subway. You know the rest... I last saw Charlie after a Crowded House concert in 91 at Studio 54 where myself, Nick Sansano bumped into him and Eddie and happy we were... I you need or like or wish, i can say a few things about charlie... i would also love to get in touch with Eddie which i briefly met but have no trace of, and just be a part of your huge experiment which i command you for. Let me know how to send you data or participate as it is complicated to my now fibromyalgic brain to take in. My email is <redacted>. If Eddie would want to get in touch, i would be honored of course and please let me know how to put together facts, real facts about people i met, cared for, loved, worked with. Being the center of attention is in no way my attempt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.171.199 (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Have you read our article on Charles Pettigrew ? It's just a stub, really, and you could edit it to add any facts you know of. Don't be too worried about it sounding "non-encyclopedic", as someone will come along and fix that. Remember, Wikipedia is edited by everyone, including you, not just a group of "experts". StuRat (talk) 03:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I've removed your email address, as it's not a good idea to have it on the reference desk, but otherwise, I can only agree with StuRat. If you have any sources that back up your stories, that would be great too! --Worm 09:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Right, please be aware that Wikipedia requires reliable sources, so your personal anecdotes can't be used unless you can provide sources that support them. Corvus cornix_talk 19:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Accent used by Carrie Kenny on Kim Possible

What accent does Carrie Kenny use on Kim Possible when she voices the Bebes? Sounds european. N.I.M. (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Example clip of a Bebe voice, for any refdeskers who are trying to answer this. (I'm assuming this is the right voice; I've not seen the show myself...) Vimescarrot (talk) 00:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes that's the right voice. What kind of accent is Carrie Kenny doing? N.I.M. (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

It's a rather subtle accent, but perhaps I hear a bit of Russian in there, when she says "Kyim" and "myinimal". You might want to post that clip on the Language Ref Desk, and see what they say. StuRat (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Wish i could, but i don't know how to do that stupid capsha thing, because it doesn't pick up on my screen reader, otherwise i would be more than willing to. N.I.M. (talk) 13:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)