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List of major Super Smash Bros. for Wii U tournaments edit

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Nominator(s): The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Following the successful promotion of List of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate tournaments earlier today, I am pleased to nominate another list of Smash tournaments. Unlike Ultimate, which will still hold major tournaments in the future (pending the end of COVID-19), every major Smash for Wii U tournament to be held has been held. This list is finalized.

I've taken the lessons from the previous nomination and incorporated them into this article - sorting, centered references, not overlinking cities, the works... I think. So hopefully it'll be as smooth or smoother than the last nomination. I am still trying to source an image of the lead, though I didn't want to hold up the nomination because I might never get one; I've reached out to some people on Flickr asking them to re-license photos and haven't had any luck, but I'll look for more people to ask later this week.

I am willing to reciprocate FLC reviews if you ask (I'll also trade reviews of this nomination for GAN reviews). The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Medusa
  • North America and Europe in November 2014, and → Europe in November 2014 and
  • does not contribute towards tournament prize pools → contribute to the tournament prize
  • Remove whitespace in the lead
  • Any lead images?
  • it sold over 5.3 million copies → it sold over 5.3 million (see this in edit mode)
  • Get On My Level 2018 → Get on My Level 2018
  • Umebura Japan Major and Get On My Level 2018 → and Get on My Level 2018
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Thanks for the review. My responses below are in the order of your points above:
1) Done
2) Done
3) Done, I think? Please check because I didn't see any whitespace, but I did remove an extra line from the lead.
4) I'm working on it. It all depends on if anyone on Flickr chooses to re-license.
5) Done, I think? I didn't see this one at all, but I retyped the line in the classic editor.
6 and 7) This is how the tournament chooses to capitalize their name. See here.
The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 15:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I'd be tempted to simply move one of the existing images into the lead, probably from one of the sections that has more than one
  • "2018, the year that the next Super Smash Bros. title, Ultimate, released" => "2018, the year that the next Super Smash Bros. title, Ultimate, was released"
  • Note A isn't a complete sentence so doesn't need a full stop
  • "Entrant counts are drawn tournament brackets." => "Entrant counts are drawn from tournament brackets."
  • Think that's it from me. Great work overall! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review. I've made all the changes except for the image. I'll do that if I can't get an image of either ZeRo or a crowd shot from one of the matches. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski edit

I'll take a look at this article, and give some comments on how it meets the FA criteria in a little while. If you fancy doing some QPQ, I have a list of items that can be looked at here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:32, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is it "crossover", "cross-over" or "cross over"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Players are eliminated from the tournament after losing two matches - perhaps actually mention it's a double elimination tournament. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gonzalo "ZeRo" Barrios - should we not link the full term here? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Five editions of the PGR rankings were released, covering tournaments between 2015 and 2018, the year that the next Super Smash Bros. title - as this leads on, maybe "from 2015 to 2018 - the year..." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know you are using GEOLAND, but some things are incosistently linked... Why is New Jersey linked, but not Las Vegas? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Entrants is quite a casual term - maybe participants? Even entries is better. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some source names are linked. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • PGStats (11 July 2017). "PGRv4 TTS". Google Docs. Retrieved 25 July 2020. - where are these from? These don't seem particularly reliable.
That's all I've got. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review Lee Vilenski. I'm not able to do the FA review tonight, but I will make sure to get to it this week. My replies are below in the order of your comments above.
1) The main article uses crossover, and both articles link to List of crossovers in video games, so I've preserved that spelling.
2) Done. The wording may need tweaking; any feedback is welcome.
3) I've made the change. I've seen both and have no preference.
4) Broke it into two sentences. How does it look now?
5) My strategy was to link to cities that are small enough to have "City, State" titles, and I linked to the whole article title. I can easily change it, if you think I should.
I think so, I'm pretty sure the City, state format can be more for disambiguation rather than the size of the place. It's a bit of an easter egg to link to [[X, Y]], rather than [[X, Y|X]], Y
6) I changed it to competitors in the lead.
No, I mean the header of the tables. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
7) Fixed.
8) This is the official tournament listing by PGStats, as linked to from the PGR FAQ.
I think this needs to be a bit better explained it just looks like a link to google docs at the moment. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know if anything needs a follow-up. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski: I've changed the links to be city-only and added a note to explain the two Google Sheets. I'm not really thrilled at the idea of renaming entrants in the table though. The main source for that column, smash.gg, uses entrants, and it's worth noting that not everyone that entered actually participated (every event has a few no-shows). The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski: Just wanted to follow up on this. Is everything good to go? Thanks, The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Guerillero | Parlez Moi 13:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Some thoughts
  • I would pull the photos from the list sections. You are using full width tables and you are creating tons of white space
  • The city linking is inconstant
  • A bunch of the sources look like SPSes at first blush
  • I need to dig into the sourcing more

--Guerillero | Parlez Moi 15:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guerillero Hey! Long time, no chat. My responses are in the order of your comments above:
  • I checked what the page looks like in 1080p and it looks fine. I guess that it'd cause problems in smaller monitors, but if I pull the images, people are going to ask for more images, so I feel kind of stuck here.
  • Yes, that's a reaction to being told not to link major cities in my last FLC. Would it be better just to delink all of them?
  • There was one problematic source that was added by another editor, which I've since removed. The remainder of the sources I think are fine for what they're being used for. I would like it if a mainstream publication like ESPN covered every Smash tournament, but that's not going to happen, and while EventHubs isn't the greatest, the results table isn't terribly controversial or likely to be challenged. Smash.gg is self-published by the tournament organizer, but is only used for the number of entrants and the location, which seems to be covered by WP:ABOUTSELF. I tried to use better sources, where at all possible, in the lead.
The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 18:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from MWright96 (talk) 18:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments by MWright96
  • "Matches are played as to best-of-three sets"- should be either Matches are played as best-of-three sets or Matches are held to the best-of-three sets
  • "Tournaments use the double-elimination format; after their first loss players are sent to a lower bracket to compete against other people that have lost a match, and after their second loss players are eliminated from the tournament." - competition to avoid close repetition of the same word in the same sentence
  • "who is considered the best Smash for Wii U player," - considered by whom?
  • "after their first loss players are sent to a lower bracket to compete against other people that have lost a match," - match losers
  • "and after their second loss" - following
  • "stated in 2018 that you could make more" - better; one could earn more
  • "and that he taken home only $45,000" - more formal; earned
  • EVO should not be linked twice in the lede
  • "Smash Bros. tournaments are generally seeded so that the best players do not face off against each other until the later stages of a tournament." repetition of the word "tournament" in the same sentence
  • "and factored six additional major tournaments into the rankings." - more
  • PGR A-tier tournaments: "

Support – MWright96 (talk) 18:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass edit

Will do tomorrow – lots of refs! Aza24 (talk) 09:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Refs 12 and 13 both missing author and dates
  • What makes Panda Global a reliable source?
  • Link Paste (magazine), the mentions of Smashboards and Kotaku
  • That's all I got, reliability looks OK. Not a huge fan of the use of Smashboards, but given it's mostly statistical information cited from there, it's probably fine. Fix these minor things and you're good for the source review. Aza24 (talk) 05:54, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Aza24 Links and names/dates are done. Panda Global/PGStats are only used to cite the tournament listings. That their ranking is considered the gold standard is cited by "Van Allen, Eric (20 January 2018). "The Competitive Smash 4 Scene Is Anxiously Awaiting Nintendo's Next Big Move". Kotaku. Retrieved 31 July 2020.". I can probably find more sources that say the same thing (I have two in the list of Ultimate tournaments), but it's not something I'd expect to be seriously contested. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:37, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, that reasoning is fine by me. Good work here, the rest of the reliability looks good – pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 06:43, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Thanks! I just added a second source, from ESPN, about the Panda Global rankings being the gold standard. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:46, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 20:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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