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List of Roman Catholic bishops of Mostar-Duvno edit

List of Roman Catholic bishops of Mostar-Duvno (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Governor Sheng (talk) 15:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets all of the FL criteria... Governor Sheng (talk) 15:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • As a quick comment, you could add the photos of the bishops to the table. Reywas92Talk 18:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Governor Sheng (talk) 23:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reader has to wait until midway through the second sentence of paragraph 2 before you mention which country we are discussing here. That should be right in the very first sentence.
  • Wikilink "suffragan" to somewhere appropriate?
  • Same with "ordinary"?
  • "and on its place" => "and in its place"
  • "during the World War I and the first years of the World War II" => "during World War I and the first years of World War II"
  • "He served as the bishop during the World War II" => "He served as the bishop during World War II"
  • Is it really necessary to say "Serving as Bishop of Mostar-Duvno, he was also Apostolic Administrator of Trebinje-Mrkan" for every single one? Could that not be covered by a sentence in the lead saying that the bishop automatically (I presume) also holds the other post rather than repeating it over and over again in the table?
  • There is no hyphen in the word websites
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your comments. I adjusted the article accordingly. --Governor Sheng (talk) 21:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB) edit

  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !style="background-color: #d54974; color: white;" |{{abbr|No.|Number}} becomes !scope=col style="background-color: #d54974; color: white;" |{{abbr|No.|Number}}.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. ![[Paškal Buconjić]] becomes !scope=row | [[Paškal Buconjić]].
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 19:42, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PresN (talk · contribs) I think I've got it. Thank you! --Governor Sheng (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald Waldo Luis edit

In addition to the prose review, I'm source-passing this article with the note that I don't have access to the journals. As part of the image review, all the images require alt texts. GeraldWL 02:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The Bishop of Mostar-Duvno is the head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Mostar-Duvno, located in Bosnia and Herzegovina, who is responsible for looking after its spiritual and administrative needs." This makes it as if Bosnia and Herz is responsible for looking after its spiritual and administrative needs. Suggest "The Bishop of Mostar-Duvno is the head of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Mostar-Duvno, located in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is responsible for looking after the diocese's spiritual and administrative needs."
  • Suggest linking Mostar, Duvno, Apostolic succession, and episcopacy.
  • "The current bishop is Petar Palić, who serves as the diocese's sixth ordinary since 2020." Should there be an "also" between "who" and "serves"? Or is he being bishop and ordinary the same thing?
  • "Its first ordinary was the last Apostolic Vicar of Herzegovina Paškal Buconjić." If he is mentioned in the third paragraph I don't see why this sentence is needed; you can merge the vicar info in the third paragraph though. I also suggest merging the second and third paragraph.
  • "by the current bishop Petar Palić." --> "by the incumbent Palić." to avoid repetition.
  • "Bishop's Ordinariate, located in Mostar, is the seat of the Bishop of Mostar-Duvno." --> "Exterior of Bishop's Ordinariate, the seat of the Bishop of Mostar-Duvno, which is located in Mostar" Full stops shouldn't be there since it's not a full sentence.
  • "Franciscan. Chaplain (1871–73) and parish priest (1873–1874) in Drinovci; Custos of the Franciscan Province of Herzegovina (1874–79); guardian of the Franciscan friary in Humac, Ljubuški (1879–81)." Very monotone sentences, with the first sentence being only one, very technical word without any explanation. Suggest modifying to "A Franciscan, Buconjić was Chaplain (1871–73) and parish priest (1873–1874) in Drinovci; Custos of the Franciscan Province of Herzegovina (1874–79); guardian of the Franciscan friary in Humac, Ljubuški (1879–81)." Same case goes to Mišić's notes. Also link Chaplain
  • "Serving as the apostolic vicar of Herzegovina (1880–81), he was also the titular bishop of Magydus (1880–81)." --> "In 1880–81, he served as both the apostolic vicar of Herzegovina and the titular bishop of Magydus."
  • "and the first years of the Bosnian War." --> "and the early years of the Bosnian War."
  • Link Apostolic Vicariate of Herzegovina, friary, parish, Archdiocese of Split-Makarska, and Rector (ecclesiastical)
  • "He briefly served as the apostolic administratr" typo in "administratr"
  • For the parts of the notes where you mention the different statuses they held, I suggest adding "Served as" in the beginning of the sentence. So "Served as archivist in the Episcopal Ordinariate (1926–1942) and secretary..."
  • For the "Notes" section... can it be titled "Notes"? Because Notes generally refer to footnotes, like Template:Notelist. In my opinion this should be retitled either "Sources" or "Citations" or anything similar.

I have implemented your suggestions, except the alt text... For this I need clarification. Do you suggest I add a short description below the images in the table? --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm no actually, alt texts are placed within the image file. Add an |alt= parameter and write a short description detailing the image. It's especially important for blind readers who can't see the image. For this image specifically I suggest "Low-angle image of a dark-yellow building". GeraldWL 01:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, got it. Done. Thank you! --Governor Sheng (talk) 20:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Z1720 edit

I am still new to reviewing FLCs, so feedback and comments on this review are welcome. I will be focusing on the lede, prose, and understandability.

  • "With the Austro-Hungarian occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovina in f878," This is supposed to say 1878?
  • " Paškal Buconjić, who served 29 years, from 1881 to 1910,[5] who was also the last apostolic vicar of Herzegovina." -> " Paškal Buconjić, who served 29 years, from 1881 to 1910,[5] and was the last apostolic vicar of Herzegovina," Replaces the second "who" with "and" and removes the "also" as I do not think its necessary.
  • "The first secular priest to be appointed the bishop was Petar Čule" -> "The first secular priest appointed bishop was Petar Čule" to tighten up the language
  • "custos of the Franciscan Province of Herzegovina (1874–79);" Wikilink custos to Custos (Franciscans)

Please ping when the above have been addressed. Z1720 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Done. Thank you. --Governor Sheng (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments:
  • " It is responsible for looking after the diocese's spiritual and administrative needs." -> "He is responsible for overseeing the diocese's spiritual and administrative needs."
  • "who serves since 2020 and is the 6th ordinary." -> who has served since 2020..."
  • "and was also the last apostolic vicar of Herzegovina.[6], and Alojzije Mišić, who served for 30 years, from 1912 to 1942." the punctuation near the sixth reference needs to be fixed.
  • "His successor Pavao Žanić reigned for 13 years, from 1980 to 1993,[9] marking the shortest episcopacy. His successor Ratko Perić held the episcopal office for 27 years, from 1993 to 2020, when he was succeeded by the incumbent bishop Petar Palić." Lots of "successor" and "succeeded" happening.
Those are my thoughts. Z1720 (talk) 03:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM edit

  • I'm not sure why this isn't just an article at Bishop of Mostar-Duvno? There's barely enough here to form a list (per 3b) and as there's no "parent" article, all the information surrounding this position, these individuals etc should be contained here.
  • "serves as the diocese's sixth ordinary since 2020" not really, he's served since 2020 and is the sixth ordinary.
  • "been Bishop of Mostar-Duvno" capital B?
  • "in f878"....
  • Link jargon like " papal bull"
  • "1871–73" full years if not consecutive in a year range.
  • What's "custos"?
  • "1878. - 1918" should be "1878–1918"

That's it but the first point is the most pertinent. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. Regarding your first comment, similar articles, like List of Roman Catholic bishops of Hong Kong became FL. I've fixed whit I've could. Regarding your last comment about "1878. - 1918" - this is the name of the article. In Croatian, the years are written with a dot. --Governor Sheng (talk) 22:29, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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