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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Lana Del Rey discography edit

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Nominator(s): HĐ (talk) 11:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This list is about the discography of Lana Del Rey, known by her admirers as one of the greatest living American songwriters, and by her detractors as one of the causes of Generation Z's glorification of depression. Whichever she is, you could listen to her music and have your own judgement. I have removed OR, unsourced, and unreleased songs from this list, and for now, I think it meets the FL criteria for being comprehensive and well sourced.

While I acknowledge I am having another FLC for MTV Video Music Award for Video of the Year, since the FLC has gotten two supports, I feel like nominating this for FLC would not be against the advice. Any comment is very much appreciated. Thank you, HĐ (talk) 11:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Outside of my normal grumbling about the use of streaming services as a source, the sourcing is impeccable --In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 14:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your support. HĐ (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on the lead
  • "....and her debut studio album, Lana Del Ray (2010), under the name Lana Del Ray.[3] Lana Del Ray was shelved shortly after.[4] In 2011, Del Rey self-released her debut single, "Video Games", under her current stage name Lana Del Rey" - it would be more succinct to simply say "and her debut studio album, Lana Del Ray (2010), under the name Lana Del Ray, a stage name she has retained ever since.[3] Lana Del Ray was shelved shortly after.[4] In 2011, Del Rey self-released her debut single, "Video Games"."
    • Ignore the above, I hadn't noticed the ever-so-slightly different spelling -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree it is hard to notice firsthand. HĐ (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The single was certified multi-platinum platinum" - spot the stray word :-)
  • ""Lust for Life" (featuring The Weeknd)" - wikilink The Weeknd
  • "Del Rey released her sixth studio album, Norman Fucking Rockwell!, in 2019. Norman Fucking Rockwell! peaked atop" - is there a way to not repeat the album title twice in such quick succession?
    • Changed to "the album". HĐ (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will look at the tables later...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nothing to add on the tables -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank you very much for your comments. HĐ (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47 edit

  • Please add ALT text for the infobox image.
  • Would it be possible to combine the last two sentences of the first paragraph? Something like As of August 2019, her albums have sold 3.2 million copies in the U.S. and her single sales in the U.K. have reached 5.2. million? I am recommending this as a way to avoid the repetition of the 2019 part, and that way you can clarify the U.K. single sales were also as of August 2019.
  • This part, Lana Del Ray was shelved shortly after, seems incomplete to me. I know what the sentence means, but I am not certain if it is grammatically correct to end a sentence with the word "after", particularly in this manner.
  • Reworded, but I'm not very confident with the new wording... HĐ (talk) 09:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added. Good catch. HĐ (talk) 09:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful work with the list. I find your first comment to be interesting. I used to love Lana Del Rey (and she is still a huge influence on me), but for me at least, I became more critical of her after some questionable behavior, like that mask nonsense and not the "Generation Z's glorification of depression". But that's just me. I hope these comments are helpful. Have a great rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 18:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My assessment of her as a "glorification of depression" is somewhat subjective and limited to her early releases only (I mean, look at the title of Born to Die... which was very provocative to me). I remember people around me describing her as "emo queen" or "sad pop queen" lol. But after 2015's "Lust for Life", I guess critics have appreciated her artistry more. I particularly enjoy her Ultraviolence songs and some songs off her newest album. Her mask thing was, however, quite a total turn-off for me at least (but I guess I'd have to "separate the artist and the art" if I want to listen to her music lol). Thank you very much for your comments. I have addressed them accordingly. Hope you have a great week ahead also! HĐ (talk) 09:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the prompt responses. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 15:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will look through the FLC later this week if that is okay with you. Aoba47 (talk) 16:43, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I made a few edits to the list regarding captions and updating a few reference access-dates. Outside of that, I believe this FLC satisfies the featured list criteria. Carbrera (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]
    • Thank you for your support. HĐ (talk) 03:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Bilorv edit

(Ref numbers as of this version; not all comments are necessarily about sources.)

  • "Lana Del Ray has been pulled from music stores." – Raises more questions than it answers. Mention why as briefly as possible, or drop.
  • Why is Zobbel.de reliable—what are its authors credentials and what's its editorial process? Same questions for Charts in France and Aficia.
  • Update. I am not very certain, but I think "Charts in France" monitors radio plays/internet hits, a-la-All-Access [2]. Cannot find much about Aficia, but from my experience with Taylor Swift articles, it was used to promote certain songs to radio by record labels [3]. HĐ (talk) 04:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the rule for whether the chart is linked in Footnotes? If it's to link on first occurrence only then I think a link to Billboard Hot 100 is missing.
  • I link the charts on first instance. Added the link to the Hot 100. HĐ (talk) 04:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "WW" is not immediately obvious, so WW would be good on the first mention. Maybe also FRA as that's not a universal abbreviation of the country name (unlike UK and US).
  • The figures 1,174,000 and 1,608,000 are to four significant figures, which I think is likely false precision. Even the three significant figures numbers given the date of one of the sources in particular might be too much. I would prefer two significant figures (e.g. 1,170,000 and 1,600,000).
  • Spotchecks: 14, 23, 27, 43, 63, 75, 78, 82, 107, 109, 116, 117, 119, 122. #23 doesn't seem to cite the singles "As lead artist" table—I can change the search to "Song" to get some of them but not e.g. "Video Games" and "Summertime Sadness". (I can eventually navigate to e.g. [4] and [5] but can this links be given directly?). I don't think ref #107 takes me to where it should (https://www.irma.ie/#chartTab1 isn't "Irish Charts Week Ending 6 Sep 2019 Top 100"). Ref #109 says it's from 2012 but it doesn't say the song comes from Born to Die, does it?
  • Fixed the Swiss chart link. I also replaced all Irish chart with the Hung Medien-powered site. I hope everything is okay now.

Looking very good overall. Couldn't find a wrong figure anywhere. — Bilorv (talk) 00:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the source review. HĐ (talk) 04:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Happy with the responses to all of the above. Fixed one typo here and I'm happy to support on sourcing. — Bilorv (talk) 12:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Found it a smooth read and I think it satisfies WP:FLCR.--NØ 13:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from User:SNUGGUMS
  • No mention of "Born to Die" and "Summertime Sadness" reaching the top 10 in Australia? Both made that range, as did "Young and Beautiful" (which also had similar success in Italy).
  • They actually made the top 10 in Austria (I know, the spelling), but I wouldn't want to make the lead longer than it is now. Certifications is a good indicator of how successful a single was. If you insist on including chart positions, then I'll remove certifications to make room for that. HĐ (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe you could add how "West Coast" and "Brooklyn Baby" made the top 20 within Switzerland.
  • I'm surprised that the "non-album single" and "non-album promotional single" listings don't have the {{n/a}} code under "album" field. Not saying it's a firm rule, but those tend to be used in discography pages when something isn't part of an album from what I've seen. Take a look at Rihanna singles discography for an example of what I mean.
  • I don't see how that is necessary. I think it could potentially disrupt accessibility, as the bg-color to n/a is somewhat similar to rowheader. HĐ (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only component charts are listed for the singles where she's credited as a featured artist? That's a first from what I've come across. If any have entered the main charts for nations, then I'd use those instead as they're what actually represent overall popularity within a country and take precedence.
  • Those songs had limited chart appearance, so component charts are somewhat there to fill in the gap. Would you recommend removing them altogether though? HĐ (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not in this case when it would look too empty without those. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:48, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless the listings from "Guest appearances" charted and/or had single/promo single releases, I don't see a point in listing them here, and they'd be better for List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey.
  • Agreed. Removed. HĐ (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should be set after addressing these. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. I have responded above. Let me know if anything else needs to be addressed. Best, HĐ (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I now support the nomination. Just replace certifications with some chart peaks and it'll be good. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:48, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 19:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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