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2020 Summer Olympics medal table edit

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Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk 09:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After successfully promoting the 2012 Summer Olympics medal table to featured list status and rescuing the 1984 Summer Olympics medal table from demotion of featured list status, I felt that I could greatly contribute to help improve the 2020 Summer Olympics medal table to featured list status as well. This was also inspired by RunningTiger123's commendation of my first non-film FLC promotion. Anyways, I've followed the 1984 and 2012 Summer Games medal table for guidance. I will gladly take comments on how to improve this table. Birdienest81talk 09:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AryKun
  • "Olympiad, were a" → "Olympiad, was a"
  • "summer multi-sport" → Summer here is redundant and unhelpful (what is a summer sport? does it differ from a spring sport or fall sport?), best to just replace with "international" as used in the main article
  • "the Japan" → "the" unnecessary (I also question the need to state that Tokyo is the capital of Japan at all, since Tokyo is one of the world's megacities)
  • "The games were scheduled one year from its original date due to the COVID-19 pandemic." → "The games were postponed by one year due to the COVID-19 pandemic."
  • "making it the most successful Olympics performance" → " making it their most successful Olympics performance"
  • "and The Philippines" → Should "The" be capitalized here?
  • "their nation's first Olympic medal" → "their nation's first Olympic medals"
  • "[12][13][b]" → I'd move the footnote ahead of the citations since otherwise it's kind of hard to see and likely to be missed.
  • "medals for the" → "medals used for the"
  • Use the lang template for the romanji words.
  • Link "Japanese ash" instead of "ash wood"?
  • The alt texts shouldn't have periods.
  • Haven't checked the refs or image licenses. AryKun (talk) 12:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Although not required, a review at my FLC would be appreciated.
  • @AryKun: I think I have done everything you've mentioned above. I am not sure if I did the template for the Japanese words correctly. I've never done an article that involved Japanese words before.
--Birdienest81talk 10:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, nothing else I could find. AryKun (talk) 11:26, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review/comments by RunningTiger123 edit

Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to hear that my compliment inspired this work! I'll go ahead and do the source review, since it should be fairly straightforward.
  • Ref. 1 has typos in title and name
  • Ref. 4 does not support the preceding statement
  • Ref. 8 should wikilink CBS Sports
  • Ref. 9 should be tagged as url-access=limited
  • Ref. 15 overstates details (no mention of ichimatsu moyo or kasane no irome in the article)
  • Ref. 30 could probably be replaced with this link from the IOC (I'm not an expert on the reliability of Olympedia)
  • For either the existing or new link used in ref. 30, the corresponding external link at the end should be removed

Other comments:

  • Agree with comments by AryKun
  • "23 July−8 August 2021" → "23 July to 8 August 2021"

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:33, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @RunningTiger123: I've done essentially all the corrections based on your comments. However, there are two things though:
  • The only article or website that could confirm that the 65 nations that won gold medals during this edition is were a record is from Olympedia. Actually, Olympedia is a spin-off of a sports database website called Sports Reference which is maintained by a dozen or so researches, statisticians, and journalists who have worked with sports media. You can read about the profile here. Between 2008 and 2020, they also kept data and records pertaining to the Olympic Games. That data was collected by a group called the OlyMADMen who have special permission from the IOC to collect data and keep track of Olympic records. You also can read about them here. During that 12 year period, they licensed their data for Sports Reference. However, after the license expired, they transferred their data to a new spinoff website called Olympedia. Here is an announcement of the opening of that website. Like Sports Reference, this website cannot be edited by anybody like here on Wikipedia or similar fandom website. Rather only researchers granted permission by the IOC are allowed to report on the data. In fact, many of the reserachers are accredited by the International Society of Olympic Historians. The website has been recognized by credible organizations and media outlets like Swimming World (here), The Washington Post (here), and Slate (here).
  • The second thing is that since I've nominated this list for featured list, British sprinter CJ Ujah was apparently stripped of his silver medal and therefore disqualifying the entire Team GB sprinting relay team of their medals as well. However the IOC website has not updated his info based on his profile seen here, nor is his profile on Olympedia seen here. Also the medal count table on either Olympedia or the IOC website reflect's this change. However, there are articles (1 2 3) reporting that Ujah's silver medal has been stripped, though they have yet to reallocate the respective silver and bronze to the 3rd and 4th place finishers. So I was wondering in regarding the "Changes in medal standings" section below, should this be considered a violation of Wikipedia:CRYSTAL or Wikipedia:No original research policies. What changes or adjustments need to be made regarding this information?
Anyways, I've done pretty much everything you asked.
--Birdienest81talk 02:09, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The CBS Sports link and limited url-access status for The New York Times still need to be added. Regarding Olympedia, it seems to be a reliable source, so I'm fine with using it here (though I think the updated link for the medal table from the IOC itself is still better, so keep that link for the main table). Regarding Ujah, I would note that his medal has been stripped, but I would not reallocate the medals (in other words, keep that section how it is right now). One more note: the new ref. 34 should include the publisher or website name and the author's name. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @RunningTiger123: Done: I have made all the appropriate corrections based on the comments.
--Birdienest81talk 09:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed and happy to support this list. RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Comments
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
*National Stadium photo caption is not a complete sentence so doesn't need a full stop
  • Japan is linked twice in the lead
  • "or each other, in case of team winners" => "or each other, in the case of team winners"
  • Plus all the above..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ChrisTheDude: I've done your corrections plus the above (though there are pending issues awaiting to be resolved).
--Birdienest81talk 02:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by MWright96
  • "Japan National Stadium during the 2020 Summer Olympics." - the word "The" is missing from the start of this sentence that is present in the image caption in the infobox
  • "the latter one" - consider replacing the word denoted in bold with another word
  • "Two gold medals (and no silver) were awarded for a first-place tie in the men's high jump athletics event" - consider adding the names of the athletes who received these gold medals
  • "Two bronze medals were awarded for a third-place tie in the women's floor gymnastics event." - same as above
  • The ruling date in the List of official changes in medal standings is incorrect
  • "a team of Great Britain was disqualified" - the Great Britain team
  • References 4, 16, 32, 33, 34 have not yet had an archive link added to them

That's all I have MWright96 (talk) 07:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @MWright96: Done - Everything has been corrected based on your comments.
--Birdienest81talk 09:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review from SNUGGUMS

That's all from me. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • @SNUGGUMS: Done: I've Replaced the two images in question with ones that (hopefully) do not have any copyright violations. The first one is claimed as own work by the uploader author. The second one has a "Some Rights Reserved" on its Flickr source.
--Birdienest81talk 02:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problems with the replacement image added :). My only qualm with the prose is how it feels monotonous to have almost every sentence under "Medals" start with "the", but that's not enough to prevent me from giving my support to this nomination. Just reword it for more word diversity and it'll be good to go. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM edit

  • Where in source [3] is the number of athletes mentioned? Or the 206 countries?
  • Done: Added news article from CNN indicating both numbers.
  • "former" and "latter" makes for clumsy reading, I think we should look for a rephrase here.
  • Done': Rearranged two sentences for better flow.
  • "2004 Summer Games" put Summer Games into the pipe.
  • Done: Summer Games is now part of pipe.
  • "won the greatest number of medals overall, winning seven" won/winning not needed, replace "winning" with "with"!
  • Done: Replaced accordingly.
  • "Soviet gymnast" might be worth linking Soviet here to some appropriate Soviet Union @ the Olympics article. Not long now and readers won't know what "Soviet" even means.
  • Done: Linked Soviet to Soviet Union at the 1952 Olympics. Soviet Union at the Olympics in general is linked at the second mention of the nation in the same paragraph. Therefore this avoids overlinking.
  • "The design of the medals used for the 2020 Summer Olympics was created by ..." why not "The medals used ... were designed by..."?
  • Done: Changed sentence appropriately.
  • "the COVID-19 pandemic, athletes" this is the second link to the pandemic, but the one in the lead was a general link, this is to "in Japan" shouldn't we be consistent?
  • Done: Linked first one in lead to pandemic in Japan.
  • In the image captions, why not link the events which are being described?
  • Done: Linked events in captions.
  • "Medals have not yet been reallocated." needs an "as of".
  • Done: Added "As of February 2022".

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

--Birdienest81talk 06:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Gerald Waldo Luis edit

At a first glance, this looks pretty good for FL, but there are several concerns I have; if they're resolved I'll strike and support. GeraldWL 06:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from GeraldWL 16:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
* "The games were postponed by one year due to the COVID-19 pandemic." I think this would sound more interesting if you correlate it with the title, "2020 Summer Olympics", since they didn't change the year to 2021.
  • Fixed: Added sentence explaining why the date was not changed and included two articles as sources.
  • Fixed: Changed the phrase with new link accordingly.
  • "Overall, a record 93 nations received at least one medal, and 65 of them won at least one gold medal, which was also a record." This sentence sounds pretty bland specifically due to the awkward placing of "which was also a record." Suggest change to "Overall, the event saw two records: 93 nations received at least one medal, and 65 of them won at least one gold medal."
  • Fixed: Rearranged the sentence to improve flow.
  • "Athletes from the United States won the most medals overall, with 113 and the most gold medals, with 39." --> "Athletes from the United States won the most medals overall, with 113, and the most gold medals, with 39."
  • Fixed: Rearranged sentence accordingly.
  • "and 2004 Summer Games"-- is "2004 Summer Games" an official nickname? If no, suggest changing to "and 2004 summer edition." per consistency with paragraph 3.
  • Fixed: Changed "Summer Games" to "summer edition".
  • "Australian swimmer Emma McKeon won the greatest number of medals overall, with seven in total." Suggest starting the sentence with "Meanwhile," to not make the reading flow static.
  • Fixed: Added "Meanwhile" to the beginning of the sentence.
  • In "the Philippines", "the" should be out of the link.
  • Fixed: Moved the out of the pipeline.
  • "Burkina Faso, Turkmenistan and San Marino won their nation's first Olympic medals." Same case with the Emma McKeon sentence.
  • Fixed: Added "Meanwhile" to the beginning of the sentence.
  • It's not the romanization that must be in the lang template, but rather the script. So for ichimatsu moyo, I can't find any script of it, but for kasane no irome it's 重ね の 色目. The template for this is {{nihongo|''kasane no irome''|重ね の 色目}}
  • Fixed: Utilized lang template, and I found the script for the former via research.
  • "a traditional kimono layering technique, in a modern presentation." Is the comma needed?
  • Fixed: Removed phrase and comma since it seems unnecessary.
  • "Two gold medals (and no silver)"-- why the brackets? Isn't it normal to win two golds but no silver?
  • Yes in cases where there are two golds or silvers the next tier medal would not be awarded. This article explains it.
  • * In the image with the legend, the "Gold", "Silver", etc. are not needed as it doesn't enhance accessibility; additionally the bolds are inappropriate.
  • Fixed: Removed the words "gold", "silver", and "bronze".
  • Per accessibility guidelines, remove the image px-es. Although for images of "Raven Saunders, Gong Lijiao, and Valerie Adams" and "Vincent Hancock", I suggest giving it a 1.1 or 1.2 upright since the faces are smaller, thus blurrier, in normal size than the other portraits.
  • Fixed: Removed px-es and insrted upright in the first and last images.
  • For the first table, suggest using Template:Abbrlink for the NOC cell and link to respective article. Also suggest expanding it to "NOC (code)" or whatever you call those three-letter abbreviations of the countries. I suppose they're made by the Olympics themselves? since Indonesia is usually "IND" but here it's "INA"-- if such you should probably explain it in an Efn-la. But I'm probably being too much here, so feel free to change what you think suits.
  • Sorry, I cannot use Template:Abbrlink nor can I change or add annotations on the table. Apparently the table being used is a specially designed table made for Olympics medal counts that can only be modified by either administrators or users in the Template editors group of which I am not qualified to be part of (see Wikipedia:Protection_policy#template).
  • Why is the abbreviation linked in the second table but not on the first?
  • Again, the first table is a specially designed medal table that can only be modified by administrators or users in the Template editors group.
  • Tables displaying results are supposed to use Template:FlagIOCathlete which again can only be edited by Administrators or such.
  • "On 18 February 2022, the Great Britain team was" is probably redundant since it's a repetition of the previous cells information.
  • Fixed: Removed the date.
  • "Canada will be elevated to the silver medal, while China will receive bronze. As of February 2022, medals have not yet been reallocated." Updates?
  • None yet. Not according to the official Olympics website seen here.
  • @Gerald Waldo Luis: - Done: I've have read all the comments and made appropriate adjustments based on them with a few exceptions.
--Birdienest81talk 09:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • Support. Nice work right there-- was a pleasure to watch some of the games, and this I feel is eligible for FL. GeraldWL 16:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 01:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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