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The article was promoted by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 9 December 2021 [1].

The Boat Race 2021 edit

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about canoes up the Thames. No, actually, not this time. With COVID still in full swing, a very RARE thing happened, the BR was moved to a different river altogether and was contested behind closed doors. For us oficianados, it wasn't quite the same thing, a pretty much straight race without the infuriating aspects of rowing on the Thames, but it was a race nevertheless, and naturally the best team(s) won. I'll happily address any constructive comments raised here, thanks in advance for your time and energy. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support edit

Reviewed this article at GA. Looks good. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass edit

Guerillero, I'm pretty sure we're OK—see here. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 13:28, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Amitchell125: Awesome. I did some tinkering to deal with OGL. Let me know if you disagree -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 13:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, whatever floats your boat... Amitchell125 (talk) 15:02, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski edit

I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.

Lede
  • You've probably had this asked before, but when you say "the 2021 race", should this not be plural, as there were two races? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've addressed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like there were four races. Can the lede not comment on the reserves a bit more? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Honestly? Not really. This year's races, held on a practically straight river, were wholly uneventful (other than the fact they weren't held on the Thames of course), so there' nothing much else to say at all I'm afraid, unless you think I'm missing something specific? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prose
Additional comments

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski thanks for your comments, sorry it's taken a while to get to them, but I think I got 'em all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski are you happy with the response to your comments? (t · c) buidhe 21:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Lee Vilenski, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:38, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by ChrisTheDude edit

  • Echoing a comment above, it seems odd to refer to it as a race (singular) when the article covers four separate races. Even if you disregard the reserves, is it really right to say "The Boat Race 2021 was a side-by-side rowing race that took place on 4 April 2021." when two different races occurred on that day?
    Addressed above. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead says it took place near Ely, but then the background section says it took place literally in Ely. Which is accurate?
    Near. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Adelaide in Adelaide Bridge is linked in the body but not in the lead. Better to be consistent I would have thought.....?
    Added. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As of March 2021, the reserves races were yet to be scheduled" - this doesn't match the rest of the article
    Addressed above. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Alex Bebb is the Oxford University Boat Club (OUBC) president" - is there a way to reword this now so that it doesn't need updating when Alex inevitably stops holding this position?
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Think that's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude sorry for the delay, I think I got to all your comments eventually! Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:36, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just a thought, but "The Boat Race 2021 were two side-by-side rowing races" does read a little oddly, but "The Boat Race 2021 was a side-by-side rowing race" isn't technically accurate. How about "The Boat Race 2021 was an event comprising two side-by-side rowing races"....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review — Pass edit

This version looked at. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernameunique I've responded to all comments above, thanks for your review. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, The Rambling Man. A few comments above. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harry edit

  • the 166th men's race, with the 2020 race having been cancelled the ", with" construction is ungrammatical, though popular in tabloid subheadlines, and something I pick up in FACs quite a lot. In this case, the sentence works fine without "with", or you can split it with a full stop or a semi colon.
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a big gap between The crews were announced on 25 March 2021 and The reserve races took place three weeks later . Perhaps a date would be helpful?
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • cancelled as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom Do we need "in the United Kingdom"? COVID was (and is) a global pandemic.
    Well I think it's more specific because not everywhere were sporting events closed down or conducted behind closed doors, this was specific to the UK. And it alleviates any surprise when clicking on the link to find the UK-specific article. It's also relevant because of the impact on umpire's availability due to changes in the tier system, a highly UK-centric matter. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • scheduled to take place on the same day, with the women's race ", with" again. This one I'm more sympathetic to but if it were up to me, I'd replace ", with" with an emdash.
    Done. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Something about the sexual assault allegation seems ... I don't know. Out of place? It's a little jarring, especially as there's no resolution mentioned. I'm not sure this is "actionable" though.
    I understand. I didn't add that, and I have looked for resolution material but discovered nothing. It appears that allegations were made and that's all there is to say. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because of restrictions imposed by the university, Oxford had been prevented COVID restrictions or something else?
    The source isn't specific. I imagine they were directly related to the behaviour of students during that period of the pandemic, but I can't be sure, so I've had to leave it as per the source. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • CUBC men's trial featured boats The CUBC men's trial featured boats? Or CUBCs men's trial featured boats?
    Gone with "The" to be consistent with the women's description. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it from me. Nice work as usual. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell thanks for your comments and review, I believe I've addressed and/or responded to each of them, let me know if there's anything else I can do. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. My comments were minor to begin with, and you've addressed them completely. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Harry. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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