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Tala tank edit

Nominator(s):  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the century old, world's largest overhead water reservoir, built by the British in Kolkata. Also, it is my first WP:4 attempt.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions by Chidgk1 edit

  • If water just flows one way first paragraph could be written something like:

"The Tala tank, or Tallah tank, (Bengali pronunciation: [ˈʈala tæŋk]), is a water tower in Kolkata, West Bengal, India. Construction started in 1909 and the tower was inaugurated by the Lieutenant Governor of Bengal in May 1911. Owned by Kolkata Municipal Corporation (KMC) the tank is fed by Palta Water Works near Barrackpore. More than 110 years after construction the tower is the world's largest overhead water reservoir, and remains the major water supplier for the city of Kolkata."

"The Tala tank covers 3–4 acres ......"

  • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sketch a plan of the structure and ask Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop to draw it in svg
    • Couldn't find any plan to refer to. Only the satellite images.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @ArnabSaha: But don't you understand it well enough now to be able to sketch a plan yourself? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Chidgk1: I can and I would love to do that, but will it be reliable and as per FA rules?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • @ArnabSaha: Not sure about FA rules. But if it will not take too much of your time sketch a plan (and if your drawing is as bad as mine submit it to graphics lab to be smartened up) so that other reviewers can see it and comment on whether it is useful. For example some readers would likely be surprised about the teak, so I think it would be nice to be able to see at a glance which parts are teak. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • @Chidgk1:, User:Seloloving will try to make one.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • Chidgk1, Due to the complexity and lack of clear photos and specs, it will be hard to draw for Seloloving :(  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:03, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • @ArnabSaha: I didn't mean it had to be detailed and to scale. Just an idea of the shape and which bits are made of concrete, steel or teak - so schematic(s) would be fine. Something a child would understand. Especially because it is hard to see from the pictures. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:56, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Chidgk1:, Big thanks to User:Seloloving, they made the diagram and I have added it.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  17:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use either imperial or metric first - at the moment sometimes one is first and sometimes the other (also tonnes is already metric)
    • I mentioned it as per sources. Somewhere imperial is used, somewhere metric in the sources.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any more detail of "American roofing material"?
    • Sadly, nope.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Security against terrorists? Maybe that is secret so you cannot write.
    • The source is available publicly. So, its not a secret anymore...  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:54, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @ArnabSaha: So was there anything worth adding from the source you found? ? Perhaps some of the security details were published to reassure the public after the poisoning rumors? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • No other details. the source has just one line on that. Regarding the poison thing, I am searching for a highly reliable source, as also suggested by HJ Mitchell below  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not an engineer but I am curious why they did not fill all the tanks completely before the cyclone arrived - maybe because repairs had not been finished?
    • It was as per the calculations mainly.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:54, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Future? For example is it big and high enough to help balance electricity supply and demand - by running the pumps at certain times?
    • Yup  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:54, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
great so when you have finished your exams (good luck) see if you can find a source and write a sentence or 2 Chidgk1 (talk) 05:41, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might you, or one of your contacts, be able to take a better photo?
    • I am planning to go and capture a photo for a long time. But covid, lockdown and my exams are the hurdles  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • You could ask the photographer of https://www.flickr.com/photos/31998351@N04/2994653684 if they would be willing to upload it (and/or one of their 2 closer shots) to Wikimedia Commons Chidgk1 (talk) 08:15, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I messaged the photographer, but they seem inactive. In the mean time I will try to visit the tank.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bonus - Improve it on Openstreetmap (just shows as "building" now) and add the Wikidata identifier there -if you don't know how to do that please ask
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, if you found these comments useful, please add a comment or 2 here Chidgk1 (talk) 14:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1: Sadly, unable to click a picture. Not getting time to visit the tank. One of my friend used to live there but he shifted to other place recently. Regarding future, couldnt find any repot or study on future of the tank.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  13:18, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything else I should change to win your support?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  13:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Chidgk1, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ArnabSaha: Thanks very much to you and Seloloving for adding the excellent side diagram - and the measurements in feet are a nice bonus to get people wondering about the past. The article is very close to getting my support. All I want now is a simple diagram from the top. If I understand the text right this would just be the big square of the tank divided into 4 small squares. Or perhaps there are 4 small squares within a big square as perhaps the outer wall is not a tank wall? No need for subtank measurements if they are not easily available. The benefit of this is that the reader can instantly understand this subtank feature without having to read deep into the article. As I guess the subtank feature is very important to keep the water supply going if one of the 4 needs major repair? If that can be done I will support . Chidgk1 (talk) 06:38, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could "which is characterised as the world's largest overhead water reservoir" be either "which is the world's largest overhead water reservoir" or "which is claimed to be the world's largest overhead water reservoir" depending how good you think the source is? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:06, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1 Both done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  08:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Excellent work Chidgk1 (talk) 09:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  09:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - pass edit

Image licensing is fine. Hog Farm Talk 14:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note edit

While this has attracted some general comments and passed the important image review the nomination has been open for nearly three weeks and is showing little sign of gaining a consensus to support. Unless there is a significant change in this over the next three or four days, I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coming up to four weeks and still not much in the way of a consensus to promote. This nomination needs to attract more attention in the next day or two or it will be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please could you leave it a little while more as I am very close to supporting Chidgk1 (talk) 06:39, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Now supporting - could other commentators support or oppose Chidgk1 (talk) 09:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski edit

I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.

As I did the GA review, I'm pretty happy with this one, but here's a couple points still in the way of a support

Lede
  • KMC is acronymmed in the lede, but not used again there. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You actually use this name for "Calcutta Corporation (or KMC)", which is odd. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • world's largest overhead water reservoir is said twice in the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prose
  • Lal Dighi at B. B. D. Bagh , - misplaced space and what are these things. Needs adjectives Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • BBD Bagh is a placed, and i have wikilinked it.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • potable water - can we just say drinking water? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • —which is now known as Indira Gandhi Water Works— do we need to know this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. Right, its not needed  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • via Tala - Tala? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. Wikilinked Tala, it is the name of the area.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Second para is huge, can we split? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • You can better guide me in this. I feel it can't be split as the whole para describes the construction  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:51, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few times you use jargon for no descernable reason, see "piling work", "gusts", "potable water", etc. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Replaced potable water with drinking water. Couldn't find any alternative to piling work. And shall I remove gusts?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:51, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we need to say what the names of the places are now? See WP:RECENTISM. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I mentioned old names as per sources and official british era names. Like, Pulta was used by British, thus mentioned. Now, its Palta, but I mentioned both otherwise readers' might think its a spelling mistake. Wellington Square became Subodh Chandra Mallick Square, it is a complete name change, thus mentioned.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:51, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is JU a suitable acronym? Can't we just say University? Is it relevant which one it is? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • JU is like COMMONNAME here.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  18:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comments

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski:: I have tried to solve the issues you mentioned. Please check  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:34, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Nikkimaria edit

- spotchecks not done. Version reviewed

  • What makes timestravel a high-quality reliable source? IJRET?
    • Timestravel is the travel related branch of Times of India. And IJRET is a peer reviewed journal.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  05:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can you elaborate on the latter? Nikkimaria (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • As per their website their journal is peer reviewed and is approved by University Grants Commission (India) and other bodies. So, I think it should be high-quality reliable source.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:17, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Given that the journal is listed here, we're going to need something more to support that the journal is not predatory. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • I see... I dont think, we will get anything else to support that the journal is not predatory. But I will try to find. And Meghnad Saha Institute is a popular institute, also the journal is UGC approved, whick is the highest body of university regulatory body in India.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:35, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't mix templated and untemplated citations
    • Sorry, this went above my head. Can you please elaborate?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  05:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • You have references that are formatted using citation templates, such as {{cite web}}. You have other references that are handwritten - ie <ref>Citation details</ref>. Mixing these two things causes the formatting of the citations to be displayed in a way that is inconsistent. Either all of the references should use citation templates, or all of them should be consistently handwritten. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  19:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kolkata Municipal is a publisher, not a work. Ditto ICE, check for others
    • I mentioned them under "Name of the website"  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  08:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Suggest switching to |publisher=. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I have modified till citation [16].  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • (pinging @Nikkimaria:)  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • It doesn't seem that this is done? There are still a number of refs that use Kolkata Municipal in a work parameter. (By the way, it isn't generally necessary to have both parameters filled). Nikkimaria (talk) 01:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • Done Nikkimaria Now its complete  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:03, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in when you include location
    • I have tried to add location, if its mentioned in that  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  08:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Nikkimaria Can you kindly check whether I am in the right track or not.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  19:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • What you're going to want to do is come up with a consistent rule for what information is included for what kind of source. So for example FN18 includes location, whereas FN32 does not - but these are the same type of source, so they should be doing the same thing. Location isn't mandatory for these type of references; you need to decide to either include it, or not, throughout. (This can differ between source types too - you could decide to include for newspaper and not for website. But again, need a consistent decision). Nikkimaria (talk) 01:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Added location of all the news sources  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in whether you include publisher for periodicals
  • FN5: the publisher listed appears instead to be the affiliation of the authors
  • FN13: work title should use title case
  • FN16: NewspaperArchive should be credited using |via=; the work in this case is New Castle News
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  08:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN25 is missing language
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN34 is missing article title and the author name is formatted incorrectly. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. Is this correct now?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:36, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not quite: this isn't a book but a magazine article, so instead of {{cite book}} it should use {{cite magazine}}. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • So, there's another template for magazine. Thanks for the information.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  07:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Nikkimaria: Whats the next step?  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  16:40, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any progress on IJRET? In what cases are you including location? In what cases are you including publisher? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Nikkimaria: Authors are from a notable institute, the journal has sources and IRJET is UGC approved. That's what I found. I have added location for news sources and publisher for all sources.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  05:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • But that isn't the case for all sources. For example, FN36 has no publisher. (It's not mandatory for newspapers to include publishers - I'd actually suggest simplifying the citations instead - but if you're going to do it it needs to be done consistently). Nikkimaria (talk) 00:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Corrected. Publisher for all citations and Location for news related ones. I have wikilinked the names wherever used first, like first Kolkata, first KMC etc. @Nikkimaria:  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  05:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harry edit

  • What does the Titanic have to do with anything? That seems like an odd thing to mention, especially in the lead. Lots of objects were built with steel.
    • Itss said that its the same steel as used in Titatic. And its mentioned by the sources since its The Titanic.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Before pumped water supply to Kolkata began in 1820, [...] in the early eighteenth century Redundancy
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest putting footnote a in the body; the reader is likely to ask, as I did, "what's Lal Dighi?" ie is it a lake, a river, a man-made reservoir, or something else?
    • I added a footnote after Lee Vilenski's comments  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Second paragraph of the history section could do with being split for readability.
    • Where should I split as im confused...  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Split  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:53, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arthur Peirce, devised what became Tala tank in 1901. The Chief Engineer of KMC, W. B. MacCabe, designed the tank in 1902 I'm not sure I follow? Was it designed by Peirce or MacCabe? In 1901 or 1902?
    • Peirce planned in 1901, MaCabe finalised it in 1902.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:45, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider the likely notability of some of your red links. A major body of water and a city square are likely to be notable enough at least for a few paragraphs of history. Could the same be said for Babu Khelat Ghosh?
    • Found some piece of history and wikilinked it  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tala tank also endured bomb scares during the India-Pakistan Wars of 1947–1948 and 1965 Is there anything more to say
    • Nope.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • one of the strongest storms to impact the area ever? Recently? That year?
    • "In the last 20 years". Added in the article  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Put refs in order, eg [22][23][9], [14][5] under "threats"
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  20:55, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Up to 2020, the reservoir developed only fourteen leaks. "only" is arguably editorialising—how many leaks would it be expected to develop? Also, when were the leaks and how serious were they? What repairs were carried out? What impact did the leaks have? Any flooding or loss of water supply?
    • Done Removed "only". and they weren't serious to disrupt the city water supply. Renovations are carried out as a whole. Thats mentioned in the next para.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • and steel of the same that was used in RMS Titanic As with the lead, I don't see the relevance of the Titanic.
  • No need to be so precise with measurements, eg (6.1–7.6 m) logs.[6] The 288–295 88.5 ft (27.0 m). You can use a parameter like |0 to round to significant figure.
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • And you can use |adj=on in the convert template where the measurement is an adjective (eg 20–25 ft (6.1–7.6 m) logs)
    • Done  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:17, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The tank is unique; it acts as a balancer,[6] having a single 60 in (150 cm) diameter mild steel water source and a supply pipe that fills the tank during off-peak hours and stores water in four equally sized, isolated chambers and supplies it to the city and other major underground reservoirs according to demand. This sentence seems unnecessarily long and complicated. I'm not sure what exactly is unique. Suggest breaking the sentence up for readability.
    • The balancer nature, and the structure makes it unique. As per ICE, it was an innovative concept at that time.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:45, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Split  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:53, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the relevance of the first two links in the see also?
    • tala tank is located in the Northern part of Kolkata. And removed Esplanade  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  20:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should give the names of publishers/publications, not just web addresses.
    • Yes, I am doing that, as suggested by Nikimaria also  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  20:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What makes Incredible India a high-quality reliable source?
    • Its the official govt of India's tourism campaign. Incredible India  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  20:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm concerned that the article is sourced largely to various Indian news outlets (I don't know what the reliability is of these), local government, and a few foreign sources like the ICE blog. Two books are cited but neither appears to contain a detailed study of the Tala tank. In fact, one doesn't mention it at all and appears to be a business studies textbook. In the UK, I would normally expect to see such an impressive piece of engineering covered in more books and academic sources. I'm not used to writing about India, but I have reservations about the depth and breadth of research. For example, in about five minutes of Googling, I found that there had been several (unfounded) rumours that the tank had been poisoned during periods of religious/sectarian violence.
    • Almost all the sources are from popular Indian news outlets. Indian topics lack sources, studies and data. Its very hard to find one. I couldnt even find a architectural plan of the tank. Regarding the poison thing, I didnt add it, since its a rumour and lack of highly reliable sources.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  21:02, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is an interesting and well-put-together article on an interesting feat of engineering. You've done a good job but I need convincing that it has the depth of a featured article. I have concerns over criterion 1a (well written) but those are relatively easy to address; I'm more concerned about 1b and 1c. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HJ Mitchell: I have tried to address all of your points. Kindly check  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  15:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi HJ Mitchell, how's this one going? Gog the Mild (talk) 14:09, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I still have concerns, I'm afraid. I'm not sure if I should outright oppose, but I can't support at the moment. I have a few fairly minor concerns, like formatting of references and the use of a government tourist website as a source, which I could overlook or fix myself. But the omission of the poisoning rumours and the context of ethno-religious conflict during the partition makes the article incomplete in my opinion, especially as I was able to find it with relative ease in multiple books on Google Books, and I don't think the depth and breadth of sourcing is up to FA standards. The article relies too much on news articles and websites in my opinion, and not enough on books and scholarly sources.​ HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:48, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Although I have already supported I tend to agree with HJ that there should be some mention of security. I don't know whether poisoning rumours should be mentioned but I think that publically available info on security should be included - http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/cisf-guards-at-tala-palta-tanks-soon/748759/ mentions security from 2 different organisations. Were the number of entry points reduced? @ArnabSaha: you mentioned there is some publically available info you can cite - I am guessing maybe nowadays the first line of security is provided by the operators of the tank? Also any info on how often the water flowing out of the tank is tested would be good - if available? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Currently working on this. Will try to complete in couple of hours  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  09:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Chidgk1:, security was provided only for sometime, during the political tension between the 2 political parties. It wasnt permanent. neither any security is provided now nor water is tested from the tank, for poison. Normal water is tests are carried out in source (Palta) and other various parts of the network, which is irrelevant for the article.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:15, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added poison to the tank  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  19:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added poison rumors in the article  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  19:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, but I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make, which is the same concern that Kavyansh.Singh expresses below. The article is built around web sources, mostly news articles, when an encyclopaedia should be relying on scholarly sources like books and journals. In this case, it's clear that these resources do exist but haven't been consulted. For the time being, I oppose on 1b and 1c of WP:FA?. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive by comment edit

Note "the South Asian numbering system is conventionally used for certain things (especially monetary amounts) in South Asian English. This is discouraged in Wikipedia articles"
And "When it is done anyway, for contextually important reasons, link the first spelled-out instance of each quantity (e.g. crore, which yields: crore). If no instances are spelled out, provide a note after the first instance, directing the reader to the article about the numbering system."
And "Provide a conversion to Western numbers for the first instance of each quantity (the templates {{lakh}}, {{crore}}, and {{lakh crore}} may be used for this purpose), and provide conversions for subsequent instance"
  • What are the "contextually important reasons" for the use of the South Asian numbering system in this article?
  • If it is to be used, have you "Provide[d] a conversion to Western numbers for the first instance of each quantity ... and provide[d] conversions for subsequent instance[s]" etc?
Gog the Mild (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild, Done Changed to million/billion  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:40, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • ₹ needs a translation at first mention in each of the lead, infobox and main article. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:10, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Oppose from Kavyansh.Singh, suggesting to withdraw edit

  • Great work has been done on this article, but I have to agree with HJ Mitchell. My most major concern with this article is its comprehensiveness. Following are few source which I found by a quick Google Scholar search. They are very informative, and seem to cover various other things which the article does not.
    • Dey, Ayanangshu (April 8, 2021). "Challenges of retrofitting the world's biggest elevated water reservoir: Tala tank of Calcutta". Engineering History and Heritage. Institution of Civil Engineers. doi:10.1680/jenhh.20.00019. eISSN 1757-9449. ISSN 1757-9430.
    • Pal, Amitava; Bandyopadhyay, Aloke Kumar; Patra, Parthajit; Dey, Ayanangshu (October 1, 2019). "Refreshing Kolkata's 110-year-old, record-breaking elevated water reservoir". Civil Engineering. 172 (4). Institution of Civil Engineers. doi:10.1680/jcien.18.00040. eISSN 1751-7672. ISSN 0965-089X.
  • The above two source have various architectural plans of the tank, including "Details of a single bottom plate", "Details of column supporting the new ceiling with a strengthened base", "Diagram of the Palta–Tala water supply system showing numbers and diameters of pipes and how they connect the tank and reservoirs to the local distribution network", etc. Quoting a paragraph from the first source:

The tank was actually supported by a system of columns arranged in both longitudinal and transverse directions (Figure 6). Each system of column support was composed of four squarely placed columns, of equal sizes, to support any particular and corresponding portion of the tank above this frame. Initially, it was decided to strengthen the foundation by breaking and exposing the footings to its reinforcement. However, as footings were found to be more prone to cracks and not all were affected equally, the plan was later revised. Only the damaged ones were exposed and epoxy was used to bind old concrete with new. As the flooring was observed to be damaged and broken at several places (Figure 7), a 300 mm thick solid, reinforced concrete slab was also cast to raise the foundation and make it even and consistent.

  • Above quote in an example of an important detail which the "Structure" section of the article does not discuss. Aloke Kumar Bandyopadhyay, one of the author of second source has been mentioned as former Director General of the Kolkata Municipal Corporation. I am not confident that the article is complete, and feel that it needs some more academic sources like books and journals. That being said, I am open for reconsideration if the issues are resolved. Feel free to ping me if you need any help. Thanks for your work! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 13:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll further suggest to withdraw for now, access more academic sources through WP:TWL, expand the article, and then open a peer review page for a future FAC. Thanks for your work on this article! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note edit

It is clear that there is not a consensus to promote, so I am archiving this nomination. The usual two week pause will apply. I recommend that the nominator takes on board the helpful comments by all of the reviewers above with a view to resubmitting.

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