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HarryGouvas Photos from Preveza Greece

Thank you for your note about Photo "National Bank of Preveza". I will try to correct it today. The photo is mine. Best regards Harrygouvas (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Regarding File copyright problem with File:TISA_Logo.jpg

Hi,

I have made the required changed. Please check and tell me whether it is alright, or do I need to provide anything else.

Regards Nitin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntomer (talk • contribs) 06:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I refined the data in the fair-use rationale but I was unable to find an actual page with this particular logo on it, so I don't know where you got it. Please add the page url as well as the actual image url. Otherwise it looks good now. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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This logo is on our official blog. I have changed the source to the blog URL. It is available at the blog home page itself. The website shows an abridged logo. Thanks Ntomer (talk)

My permission

File:TNAimmortal belt proof.PNG I just need to know what license to put it under Totalaero (talk) 12:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

This looks like a computer screenshot and while you may have made the screenshot the image was created by software, so you cannot actually claim you created the image. Screenshots are usually used in articles about software under the fair-use doctrine which means that the image must comply with all 10 non-free content criteria. One of those criteria (#9) is that it is used in article space, but you have it on your user page, which is not allowed. Unless I have you wrong, it will be deleted. Sorry. ww2censor (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Note regarding photos taken before 1923

I noted your reply regarding a copyright question that since a photograph was taken before 1923 it is in the public domain. I'm pretty sure that's incorrect, and that the photo would have to have been published before 1923, not just created before then, to be in the public domain (I posted this as a response on the appropriate page). --Quartermaster (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

My bad. Actually you are somewhat correct that creating prior to 1923 is not the only criteria so one does need to do some more research to see when it was published. Though one must also remember that according to commons:COM:L#United States "Works created but not published before January 1, 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date they were registered for copyright, or 95 (for anonymous or pseudonymous works) or 120 years (for works by individuals) from year of creation, whichever expires first," so that might apply but right now the source website is down so I cannot check it. Also many organisations are guilty of copyfraud by falsely claiming copyright to which they have not rights. Thanks for the note. ww2censor (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Not really "your bad" since copyright law is really poorly written in the first place (that's what you get when Mickey Mouse gets to write the laws). I'm pretty sure you're correct about the 95 to 120 year window for anonymous and pseudonymous works, but I think there's an additional caveat for that: I recall at a copyright workshop that the earliest any of those items can end up in the public domain doesn't happen until 2021 or even later (again, something squirrelly about how the law was written that comes down on the side of publishers/creators rather than potential users). In any case, we're all doing our best. People wouldn't be asking questions about copyright if things weren't ambiguous. We've all got each others backs, neh? --Quartermaster (talk) 14:52, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

While I have been dealing with copyright here for some years I am very familiar with the postage stamp issues but as you say some of the laws are rather confusing the way they are written but we do our best. BTW how are you on fair-use, especially in lists or list type articles? Cheers ww2censor (talk) 16:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

License of File:Artupgallery.jpg

I see you've found a source for the above file. But, the website clearly says Copyright of Elaine Clayton. So, isn't this a case of Copyright violation? I am new to these image tags. Just asking. Novice7 Talk 13:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Indeed you are correct it is a copyvio but I was going to give the uploader Fred berns a chance to see what he would claim next having removed the deletion notices several times. Until someone puts a copyright tag on the image we should not nominate it for deletion as a speedy, we must just tag it as missing a copyright tag. As image copyright seem to be of interest to you, you may find it useful to read my image copyright information page. Good luck, see you around. ww2censor (talk) 17:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

File:TPA Main Logo.jpg

Just confused as to how I prove that this logo is mine. Redsoxrgr844 (talk) 07:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Basically this question is redundant because the article to which it is dependent The Point After: With D-Rock has been deleted, so the image is not usable and we are not an orphanage for unused images. To answer your question, logos are usually copyright of the organisation to which it belongs. Did you commission the logo or was that the radio station and/or did you allow the radio station to use it and if so under what licencing terms? Who paid for the design and did the designer release their copyright in the image? In most instance logos are used under the fair-use doctrine and in that case used in the infobox of the article about which the image is concerned and must have a fully completed fair-use rationale if the image complies with all 10 non-free content policy. Your may find it useful to read my image copyright information page. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 17:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Me again

Hello! You may remember me from the IUPUI Collections course last fall. I'm currently the teacher assistant for the course again this year. You'll see that we've done a good bit of clarification and expansion of the Wikipedia Saves Public Art project and this year's class should be going much more smoothly than last (I'd argue that it is). However, I know that there have been quite a few photo issues that need to be ironed out. We wanted to give the students a chance to fix some things themselves (or let the community fix them, in due course), before we, as TA (and professor), jumped on it immediately. We will be fixing things this weekend and in the coming week. In the meantime, I'm happy for you to keep posting on the talk pages of those that have issues, as it's important that they understand how the community works. Thank you for your patience this year and for not getting frustrated too quickly. Let me know if you have any specific questions/concerns and thank you again! HstryQT (talk) 20:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help. There does seem to be a better understanding of the issues but it's pretty coincidental that you would post here today because earlier I posted on Aacarrie's talk page about the freedom of panorama problem here. There is also an issue with List of public art at the Indiana Statehouse because non-free image are not permitted in list articles per WP:NFLISTS and in galleries per WP:NFG which exists in Indiana Statehouse Public Art Collection. However, based on Aacarrie's images some may actually be in the public domain, so uploaders need to be more diligent about their licences. BTW, some of Aacarrie's are on-free but very large; this is not permitted either per WP:NFCC. I was looking for the image advise post I made last year and could not find it archived but here it is and perhaps you may want to post it somewhere prominent, though I might update it slightly. Let me know what you need and/or point me to any articles or images you would like me to review. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 00:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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information on file

Hi, I apologize for my ignorance, and apparent inability, on how to properly post my article or even upload my picture. I keep reading everything in the Wikipedia in relation to posting the article, but everything is theory. Nothing actually instructs, step by step, what one must do in order to actually post it. I'm already feeling a bit frustrated. File:R.smith.jpeg That's the image name, it is a picture taken over 25 years ago, and it has belonged to my family ever since. My father is in the picture as well as mr.Jhoon Rhee. I'd very much appreciate your help. My username is Herrero Ragde and I'd like to name my article Ramón Smith. Have a nice day! -Edgar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herrero ragde (talk • contribs) 22:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy to try and help Edgar. First let me tell you that your user page is usually the place where you put up information about yourself and you start articles in a sandbox, such as User:Herrero ragde/Sandbox or any other subpage name you choose like User:Herrero ragde/Ramón Smith. Anyway, the article you started must be about someone notable and must be referenced with reliable sources. Being related to the subject of the article means that you have a conflict of interest so you should make yourself familiar with WP:COI too. I could not find anything reliable about Ramón Smith, but maybe you can, otherwise it too may be deleted when you put in into mainspace, i.e., make it an article, not just on your user page. For editing information you could start by reviewing starting an article and following some of the links from there.

Regarding the photo, possession of a photo does not confer any rights on the person who possesses the photo. The copyright resides with the copyright holder who is usually the photographer, or organisation that commissioned the photo. Unfortunately the photo is most likely still copyright and may also not be old enough to have fallen out of copyright depending on where the photo was taken. Unless you know the author and date of the photo, we cannot keep it. Hope that helps. ww2censor (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help. To be honest, I may just give up trying to upload the information here. It seems easier just to create a blog or something like that. I understand your point on 'conflict of interest' and may pass and read the item you've suggested, it may help, if not for this, then maybe for something else in the future. Regarding the information on my father, I honestly do not understand what you mean when you say you could not 'verify' if the information is true. If you've read the article I wrote, it could give you an idea that it is my purpose precisely to not let the accomplishments of my father fade away into collective oblivion. Being hispanic, poor, and undereducated in the 70's did not help, I can assure you. I invite you to go to htpp://ramonsmithkarate.blogspot.com in bloggers.com and see the pictures for yourself. Google, if you will,USA karate history, it may take you to a page with references to the PKA tournament 1974, in which my father defeated Howard Jackson. You can also go to Facebook and check marcos wilamo's profile. Mr.wilamo has several interesting pictures of my father with Bruce Lee, Jhoon Rhee, etc. I understand that he is not 'notable'...that is exactly what I want to accomplish with this article, some notoriety to a man who spent his youth battling not only against the best in the business, but also against prejudice, poverty, and racism. Good night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herrero ragde (talk • contribs) 05:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Author-Lyn Hancock.jpg

The author gave me permission to use that image. How would I tag it then to reflect that? --Addihockey10^e-mail 13:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

The first thing you have to determine is who actually owns the copyright of the photo. It may actually not be the author unless she commissioned the photo as a work for hire and was given the copyright by the photographer. Either way the copyright holder must confirm their permission by following the procedure found at WP:PERMISSION. The copyright holder has to do this because this is the only way we can verify the permission you claim and because we take copyright status very seriously. Unfortunately several people tell untruths so we to insist on this path, no matter how honest you are. When the permission arrives an OTRS ticket will be attached to the image, so if you are going to get the copyright holder verify their permission, you can add this template to the image: {{OTRS pending}}. It may take a month for the permission to be processed, so be patient. For this reason we suggest you make sure the copyright holder notes the exact name of the image in the permission email. That way the OTRS volunteers can find it easily even if it has been deleted, but they would restore it in such cases. ww2censor (talk) 16:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Help me

Please, Help me to upload the photos to my article . with my best wishes, Ashmawy adel(Ashmawy adel (talk) 17:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC))

I don't know what article you are talking about. So if you started one, please give me a link here. Incidentally it will not be your article because we don't WP:OWN any article we edit. I see you have uploaded images to which you have not provided the source (where did you get them) nor added a copyright tag and it appears that they don't have permission from the copyright holder to use them. Artworks are copyright of the artist and we need to get their permission otherwise they will be deleted because we take copyright status very seriously around here. If you think you can do that, follow the procedure found at WP:PERMISSION. You may also find it useful to read my image copyright information page. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 21:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

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Pre-1978

Thanks for adding the licensing tag to those images. I was cutting and pasting and forgot to include the template. Strikehold (talk) 07:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I do a lot of image copyright checks and try to fix image copyright issues where possible. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 07:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

help uploading and other matter

Hi, Thanks for offering your help!! I've been trying to put my picture on my User:JorgePupo to no avail. I uploaded it but it somehow appeared on its own page and I haven't been able to figure out how to place it inside the box on the right hand side of the page where my birthdate appears. I also wanted to rename my user page so my name reads: Jorge Pupo as opposed to JorgePupo That was a mistake I made when I first signed up and I tried moving the page but couldn't.... Anyway...I'm abotu ready to give up for the night. Thanks for your help and have a lovely night. Best, Jorge Pupo JPoNyC Jorge Pupo (talk) 05:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC).

Re: Lugnaquilla

Erm... you do realise that Start-Class articles can still be stubs, don't you? Stub-Class and stub are not the same thing... Grutness...wha? 21:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Debatable, but I see your point though I don't entirely agree with it. ww2censor (talk) 21:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a problem that WP Stub sorting's had ever since the assessment templates came in. The use of "Stub-Class" to refer to the lowest level of assessment (even though it's unrelated to what constitutes a stub) often leads to this sort of problem. Grutness...wha? 21:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Rawlings-bw.jpg

Hello! In November 2009, you posted a comment requesting copyright information for the image mentioned in the subject header. This image was taken by Dean Tomlinson in April 2006, so the copyright is his. He gave me permission to use the photo as my author photo, so it has been circulating everywhere so long as there is accreditation to him. Given this, is it possible to use my photo to accompany my Wikipedia entry for Angela Rawlings (that's me), or should I use a different image that is fully copyleft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commutiny (talk • contribs) 22:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Di-no license-notice

Hey. I've just created the above template on cy, but am having trouble using it - each time I use it, and then go to comment under it, Wikipedia goes to the actual template and inserts the comment at the bottom. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be great :D Thanks. -- Xxglennxx (talk • cont.) 23:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I can't help you with this problem. I am not a template guru. I presume you are talking about cy:Nodyn:Rhybudd delwedd dim trwydded. I am not sure what you mean by adding a comment under it. I generally just let Twinkle to do the job for me which is turned on in the Gadgets Preferences but none of these features appear to be implemented at the cywiki. You could try asking some of the editors who worked on it, or other similar templates, such as AzaToth though he does not appear to be too active right now, or Howcheng who looks active. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 04:21, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

An apology

Sorry, my mistake regarding File:Sadasiva Brahmendra.jpg. You're right, it seems to be a 'photo stamp' , not a postal stamp, according to the website. In thanks for your efforts, have a cookie. :)

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No problem, thanks ww2censor (talk) 22:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

File:JorgePupo.ActorPic.jpg

Hi. I just uploaded a file: File:JorgePupo.ActorPic.jpg which should have the tag : {{GFDL-self}} since I created the photo and it belongs to me. I don't know how to make that change. I also need help formatting the picture size correctly. Please help me. thank you (Jorge Pupo (talk) 20:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC))

I fixed the licence on the image you uploaded to the commons commons:File:JorgePupo.ActorPic.jpg and refined the image on the article page too. However, I have one question, how did you take the professional portrait of yourself as your above information claims? I suspect the image was taken by someone else and we need to know if your or the photographer are the copyright holder. If it is not you, then you need to get the copyright holder to send us their permission directly by following the procedure found at WP:PERMISSION. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 22:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks so much for your feedback and refining the image on the article.

To answer your question: The professional portrait of Jorge Pupo was taken by Photographer Deborah Lopez. I paid her to take my picture. The picture belongs to me and no copyrights were ever held by the photographer. Please let me know if there are any more questions so I can clarify. I hope all is in order and my picture will remain in the article. kindly advise at your earliest convenience. Thank you very much. Jorge Pupo (talk) 00:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I've added the photographer info to the image page though you may be asked to provide confirmation by email to the OTRS team. ww2censor (talk) 02:28, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Hodgkinson portrait formal.jpg

The photograph that is currently being used on the page for Katrina Hodgkinson MP is very old and does not represent her current appearance. Please compare the current photograph with Hodgkinson portrait formal.jpg'.

atrina has asked me to change the photogrph to 'Hodgkinson portrait formal.jpg' will over the put on to Katrina's webpage as it more accurately portrays her current appearance and was taken in less than six months ago. The photograph used is freely available with no copyright restrictions on it, so I would appreciate your assistance to make sure that this is properly reflected in the coding.

Your coding is very confusing for a novice like myself and I would appreciate your assistance in resolving this matter.

Kind regards and thank you for your assistance. David White username: Burrinjuck Burrinjuck (talk) 01:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Dear Ww2censor,

thank you for your advice. As I said I am very new to this and find it significantly confusing. I have personally taken many photographs of Katrina for which I would own the copyright would it be a better solution if I upload a recent one of these photographs on making the copyright free use for everyone.

If I were to do that I would appreciate your please letting me know the specific code that I would use so everything would be legal, above board and in accordance with Wikipedia's policy.

Thank you and regards David (Burrinjuck) Burrinjuck (talk) 02:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok let's see if I can help you. First there was no need to start a new section, just continue where we left off above, though you could just as easily have done so on the WP:MCQ page where other experienced copyright editors can also assist. Anyway, I already touched on all the issues about this image on the media copyright questions page with all the instruction you need. We take copyright issues very seriously, as well as conflict of interest edits, which is why we have to be very precise about the image copyright. It is not true to say that the image is available without copyright on her website; there is a clear copyright notice on this website and unless an image is definitely marked with a free licence we have to assume the other webpage notices (see bottom of page) apply to everything on that webpage or that website. Even webpages and image without copyright notices are usually copyright to someone. The burden of proof is on the uploader to prove the image is freely licenced. If you actually own the copyright to the photo you can release it under a free licence and most photographers will use the {{PD-self}} copyright template or {{GFDL-self}}, or other tags found at WP:ICTIC but because the image is clearly available as a copyright image elsewhere we do need you to provide permission to the OTRS team per the instructions already referred to at WP:MCQ#Katrina Hodgkinson.jpg. You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page for further information on image problems. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 04:34, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Rather than mucking around with publicity photographs and probably getting things wrong because of ignorance, I have uploaded a photograph that I personally took and have donated it to the public domain which will hopefully solve any further concerns.

Regards and thank you for your help Dave Burrinjuck (talk) 01:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Again there was no need to start a new section. Don't be so negative as the procedure I gave you, both here and on the media copyright questions page, is fairly straight forward. You have decided not to follow it and contribute your own image under a free licence, so thanks. I see that you uploaded that image to the commons at commons:File:Katrina Hodgkinson MP 17 Dec 10.jpg but the image metadata shows it was taken on 17 November, so I changed it to that date. Which date is correct? If 17 Nov is wrong please revert it. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully I have not started a new Section, by clicking on the edit botton. I take your point about the photo name, that is a straight typo, which is one of my failings. Will try and find it and amend it to the correct date of 17 Nov. thanks Dave Burrinjuck (talk) 00:55, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Wikipedia Ambassador Program

I would like to invite you to consider joining the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, which is looking for experienced Wikipedians to be Online Ambassadors. The role of Online Ambassadors is to be mentors for students who are editing Wikipedia as part of class assignments. You gave me really helpful advice when I was starting out, so please look at the Online Ambassador guidelines and you can find instructions for applying at WP:ONLINE. If you are not able to help personally I'd appreciate suggestions of people who you feel have the right attitude and experience, as the Program is starting this month Thank you Thruxton (talk) 13:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Image copyright

The uploader explicitly stated that he/she is the creator of the image but did not specify which license the image is released under (I think we can all agree on this fact). Since it's not stated, then we go with "You irrevocably agree to release your contributions under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL" statement everytime before someone clicks on the "save page" button. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 06:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen it stated that we ever assume an uploader's intentions based on their claim to be the image creator. I'd appreciate if you can you point me to a reference for this statement or consensus discussion? They may want to allow use on Wikipedia only or require non-commercial use which are, as you well know, incompatible licences. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 06:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

This statement is found in the edit screen of every page, just above the edit summary. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 06:37, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

While such a statement is where you say that applies to regular edits on pages but there is no such statement on the image upload pages, so I doubt you are justified in making the licencing claim you did. I would never assume that myself for any image missing a copyright tag. Thanks anyway. ww2censor (talk) 06:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

List of climbers, alpinists and mountaineers

Hi, I just cleaned the mess that page was and added new climbers to the list. I am wondering why they ask for references on top of the article, since they can be found in the respective articles and one reference per climber would 1. Take days to make 2. Totally overload the page with it.

I don't have much experience on Wikipedia, but my good sense tells me that would be abusive. I just wanted your opinion, can we delete that notice? Thanks, awaiting reply here. :) Mattaidepikiw (talk) 14:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

I saw you worked on the article, thank you for improving it, however could you answer to the above on my talk page? Thanks Mattaidepikiw (talk) 04:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I really did not do much recently though I have tried to remove redlinks based on WP:WTAF. If someone does not yet have an article perhaps they are not notable enough though they may warrant an article and can be added at that time. To answer your question, I disagree with the suggestion that references are unnecessary for the list is misguided based on your suggestion that the individual articles support their presence in the list. However, we cannot really rely on the individual articles themselves to actually be properly referenced. Several, though I have by no means checked them all, have no reference or major reference issues of their own. Indeed it would take time to add a citation for each entry but we don't have to do it immediately and so what if the references take up space at the bottom of the page, they will justify a person's inclusion. BTW the talkback template should not be used as part of you signing posts, it is intended as a simple message method of telling an editor there is a message for them on your talk page (or other page if properly formatted) as I have now done on your page to let you know about this reply. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I went to a lot of mountaineers articles and added info and references about them, especially in the articles that required further referencing. If I add enough reliable references, will the banner requiring references be removed? When I'll feel up to it, I'll start refencing the list. Bye! Mattaidepikiw (talk) 06:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That sound like some good work you are doing. Indeed you can remove the reference tag when there are enough references. I would concentrate on those that are not so well known, as they are the ones whose notability would be questioned. Thanks ww2censor (talk) 14:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Non-free content question

Hi. :) There's a question about non-free image use at my talk page with which I could really use some input from somebody who does more with non-free images. Would you mind taking a look at User talk:Moonriddengirl#Copyright images question, specifically the bit on Selena products? If it's not something you feel you can weigh in on, please just let me know, and I'll knock elsewhere. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:33, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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Formular aerogramme

I just created the page Formular. The aerogram page says there are formular (i.e. no prepayment of postage) aerogrammes from Ireland. So I am turning to you. Do you have such an image to upload to round out the topic? Bobdatty (talk) 16:27, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I am sure I have some somewhere but I'm not sure if they will be free images because they may not be 50+ years since issuance. I will check and let you know. ww2censor (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Found an example, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobdatty (talk • contribs) 16:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I though you wanted one without a stamp; I did not get a chance to look for one yet. Normally short captions are better with the other common information in the prose while the image is used to illustrate the appropriate text. Besides being ugly it is recommended not to squeeze the text between two image per MOS:IMAGES (point 3) in which case you can queue the images on the talk page until there is sufficient prose to support more images per image use policy. Hope that helps. ww2censor (talk) 19:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Free use?

I posted File:RegisterLetterEnvelopeBahamas1938.jpg under the non-free use rationale. Is it, in fact, Public Domain? It is 1938 Bahamas (UK govt origin). Bobdatty (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

{{PD-UKGov}} applies to this image and it should be moved to the commons once the info and licence are revised. I noticed that you, and others, seem to be adding fair-use rationales for image that are actually in the public domain. More research needs to be done before uploading such images and if they are actually free, should be directly uploaded to the commons instead; this avoids more work. You should also note that where a free image might be available per WP:NFCC#1, then a non-free image should not be used, such as the File:Kiribati Specimen Stamp.jpg and File:UltramarSpecimen.jpg (which you uploaded) used in Specimen stamp when there are many examples available, including the specimen's of the Penny Black sent to postmasters in 1840. The policy should be applied and I intend to bring up this matter on the project when I get time but several of the non-free content criteria are being broken by quite a few stamp images. This is something we need to be more careful with. ww2censor (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and will be more careful now that I know. I have uploaded to Commons before for US material. I could not figure out the right license to upload the UK Commonwealth issue. How do you select the PD-UKGov license or template?

You can find all the currently known tags here for those that are not listed in the drop down menu of the main upload page. Please don't refactor other people's posts; I do not use US-English spelling. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 01:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I uploaded the image to Commons with the appropriate tag. The link on the "Formular" page still connects to the fair use image however. These (the current and the revert in Wikipedia) can now be deleted. How does one code the page to look in Commons?

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Copyright in photos of art

Hi. I'm very sorry ... I am sure that the answer to this is already out there somewhere, but to be realistic I thought I might be able to get a quick reply from you without wasting too much of your time and also without it taking me three years to read everything on the topic. It's slightly unethical but effective - I'll buy you coffee some time to make up for it.

As briefly as I can then: Ben Wilson (artist) makes amazing little pictures that look like this. As you see from the Flickr pool they are much-photographed; however, my understanding is that the photographer simply cannot release them under any-the-h*ll sort of licence at all, no matter how good the intent, as they depict Ben's work, whose copyright belongs to Ben and not to Mr or Ms CameraOwner. Right? So I've got the photo but it's not mine to license. On the other hand I feel it's obvious, for all the usual reasons, that our article would be greatly enhanced by having a photo or several of his work. At the moment it has him at work but no example of his art. Soooooo ... Ben does not as far as I know use Wikipedia, or Commons, or Flickr: that is, his presence is certainly not obvious (to me) in any of those places. On the other hand, he is a nice and accommodating bloke whom it is possible to see around, or indeed trip over if you are careless, in certain parts of London. Supposing that I was to go up to him (or indeed kneel down to him) and say "Ben, I have a great photo of one of your works, it would be very useful in Wikipedia, would you please be willing to grant permission for its use there?" (and obviously "its use elsewhere" per licence!) and supposing that he said "yup". What formal steps would I/he/the Queen/Jimmy Wales/whoever have to take, in order to move from that intent to actually having the photo here and without problems? Is it in fact possible at all? I hope it is, because it seems to me that saying "I can upload my photo of your work" is less of a demand than saying "would you please upload your own photo?" although of course the latter would be much less complex all round in the long term.

As I say, I'm sorry to bother you with this but I'm hoping that it's a reasonable(ish) compromise between my laziness/incompetence and your knowledge! I'd be most grateful for any advice you wanted to offer. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 15:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Most of the answers are out there but you may also find it useful to read my image copyright information page. The basics of copyright is not all that difficult to understand but any images of artwork are more difficult than usual. This work seem to be artwork of a kind and it is copyright of the artist, so any photo taken of it is regarded as a derivative work. This requires a copyright licence for the artwork even though the photographer may release the photo of the artwork itself under a different or separate licence. What does this mean? Such an image needs two licences, one from the artist for the artwork and one from the photographer for the photo. Unless the artist is also the photographer and uploads the image himself, then we require that he verifies his permission to use his artwork by following the procedure found at WP:PERMISSION and a separate licence from the photographer, if he is not the uploader must do the same. If you are the uploader, you can make a statement on the image page that you took the photo and we accept that statement because we assume good faith unless we suspect some falsehood, such as editors who have a bad track record of uploading copyright images or making false copyright claims. I am sorry it is not quite as easy as uploading the image and making a statement that the artist gave his permission. Hopefully you are little less DBaK after this. Please ask here again if you need more help. BTW, I did not see Ben in Muswell Hill the last time I was there in 1990! Cheers. ww2censor (talk) 06:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

All noted - many thanks for your help. Proper reply to follow, when I get a moment. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

File:William George Jordan 1910.jpg

Hello. I am sorry to tell you that I did not create the above image. Somebody else created it. I removed the warning tags as was explained in my edit because it seemed to me they were wrongly placed. As I noted in my explanation, I was not able to provide the correct copyright tags, and so I made a plea in the Reason for Edit box for some more knowledgeable person to do so. The image is obviously out of copyright, as was explained by another editor on the Media Copyright Questions page. (I can't give you the link because it has apparently been Archived.) Anyway, I know you will take care of this matter, and I hope you will forgive me for messing up. Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Further to 1930s Bethards picture

Thanks for replying on my talk page recently. Jackie Bethards has barely been written about; thus photos haven't been printed of him for decades. The ten non-free content criteria are met; to whom would we attribute a "copyright image" -- to the newspaper that printed the studio shots his basketball teams released in advance of games? The teams themselves, of course, don't exist anymore to claim copyrights. Lastly, how do I upload a "copyright" image -- can I email it to you? Haven't been able to find birth nor death dates for Jackie yet, but his exploits are well documented as per the footnotes in the article. Thanks again!Keith Ellis (talk) 14:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Ownership of files

I own every file I upload and only meant to use this site as temporary storage, then delete them myself. All copyrights apply. Just leave the ones at my user page, which as you can see is properly formatted in Wikipedia style and violates no rules. I could just move the information over to my wikia and leave a single-paragaph forwarding link if you'd prefer. Kindly don't delete anything until I have made the needed arrangements...okay? Oh...gmail requires a cell phone registration number, which I lack, and I don't know if Flickr handles .pdfs. -- The_Iconoclast (talk) 01:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I already replied to your previous post here. Wikpedia is not a file storage system. If those images are deleted before you deal with them that is unfortunately your problem but your actions are disruptive. You need to make other arrangements. ww2censor (talk) 04:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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all info was updated the picture comes directly from the USMC biographical website Avatar 06349 (talk) 19:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Unlicenced images Excuse

Dear Brother,

I highly appreciate your kind gesture to inform me first regarding my upload before deleting it that was my mistake and I accepted it actually I forgot to make a license for it you can delete that image which does not have proper licensed I will upload new one with correct licensed and I will certainly make sure think mistake will not be happened again in future articles I hope you will be guiding me in near future as well.

Yours Truly, --Faizanalivarya (talk) 19:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy to help you on this one. Not just did you forget to add a copyright tag to the image, but it is clearly a copyright violation because the image is owned by the UN and the page clearly shows their copyright notice, so you cannot make a licence for it because you don't own it. Most images you find on the internet are not freely licenced unless they are clearly marked as such. Please make sure any future uploads are properly licenced; you can always ask me or drop a question to the media copyright questions page where others will help you. You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page for a better understanding of this topic. Good luck ww2censor (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

You uploaded the same image again. Nothing has changed; it is still copyright to the UN. Please stop. Go find a freely licenced image instead of this one. ww2censor (talk) 20:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Dear Brother,

Kindly remove that cause its not my property you are right that is my mistake and i do apologize for that thanks a lot for helping me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faizanalivarya (talk • contribs) 21:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Based on this request and the fact that you have found a free image to rep[lace this one, I will add the db-author template to the image and it will deleted by an administrator in due course. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Patrick Lynch (economist)

Some time ago you were involved in a discussion regarding the silliness of the above article. Things did not progress and I have today begun a big, big cut back without reference to the original contributor. He has had his chance, as far as I am concerned. It will take me a day or two to sort it out but I thought I should let you know as a courtesy. It is noted on the article talk page also. I notice that you may not look in during this brief timespan due to taking a break: sorry about that. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 22:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up but I am not gone on my break quite yet. I doubt I can contribute anything myself. BTW, you don't need to make so many individual edits over a short period of time; you can tag the article {{under construction}} and then work on it without needing to worry to much that someone else will have an edit conflict with you. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 23:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the advice. I did use {{in use}} earlier on, then removed it and had second thoughts, hence a lot of late edits. The uc template you refer to is more suitable for my purposes. BTW, I could not read your reply without going into the edit area because of the red "flag" message box obscuring it. Bug? Or an "undocumented feature"? <g> Enjoy your break. - Sitush (talk) 01:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply re: redbox. It now falls just below the last line of ^, which is ok. Right now I'm using Firefox, Ubuntu 3.6.x, BTW. I'll run it through a few other browsers while you are away - got a few virtual machines set up here so it is no hassle. - Sitush (talk) 01:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Good stuff. I'm using Firefox on Mac 10.4.11. ww2censor (talk) 01:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I meant Ubuntu 10.04, Firefox 3.6.x. Regardless, it is fine now. I'll do some tests and drop you a line. Sitush (talk) 02:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I've now checked using XP, Vista & 7. Browsers including latest versions of IE, Opera, Chrome, Firefox and Safari across all those OS's and, where possible, Ubuntu. Seems fine. Work on the Patrick Lynch article continues: it was basically multiple copyvios: take a paragraph from one obituary, insert one from another obituary etc, add a sentence or two from somewhere else, + some totally unsourced commentary which was probably a personal assessment. Bit of a mess, in other words. - Sitush (talk) 00:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:York Mansions Historic.tif

Hi Ww2censor,

Thank you for your thoughts on the picture that I have attached to the York Mansions page York Mansions Historic.tif

I am writing a response to your proposal to delete the photo, I do not agree with your assessment that a current picture could easily replace the tif that is attached to the page. The main purpose of the older photo is to show the mansion block with its parapets and fence, both of which are no longer present, as such a current picture wouldn't include these items. Just my view... Gardenreader (talk) 17:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)Gardenreader

Upgrading of Flickr CC photo

Hi Ww2censor,

Very useful to learn that I should link to the highest possible resolution image for a CC-licensed Flickr photo. I guess for some reason I thought that wasn't "quite right", not sure why I thought that :) Shaun courtice (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

File:Kantine 1946.jpg

Re Harperley POW Camp 93 As you can gather, I'm new to making contributions. I can only apologise for NOT adding the appropriate licence etc., I thought I had. If you can give me an Idiot's view/idea on how to keep that correct I would be most appreciative. Rolyat29 (talk) 12:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for asking but I am just about out the door on vacation I cannot give this my full attention or any follow up, however I will try to help. Copyright can be a tricky issue especially for new editors, so for this reason I wrote my image copyright information page that may help you understand some of the issues.

Copyright in the UK is generally for the life of the author plus 70 years per Commons:COM:L#Uunited Kingdom and these images fail the 70 years by a few years even without knowing the author, so I think you can only use them under a fair-use rational but any image used as such, which cannot be on the commons, must comply with all 10 non-free contnet criteria and one of those refers to minimal use, so I cannot see you using all the current images that are there now.

To answer your question, I presume you mean the image File:Harperley Kantine 1946.jpg that is on the commons. Unless you are about 75-80 years of age, at a minimum, all except one of the images in the article Harperley POW Camp 93, that you claim to be your own work, were in fact photographed by you. You may have scanned a photo but that does not make the photo your own work, nor give you any right to copyright that would allow you to licence it a public domain. That comment also applies to File:Harperley PoW Camp 93 Foals in the Meadow.jpg, File:Harperley Huts.jpg and File:Harperley Gardens & football.jpg. BTW, possession of a photo does not confer any rights to the person who has a photo, the copyright still belongs to the original photographer or his heirs, so I suspect that even File:Harperley Camp Theatre Group & Camp Orchestra approximately 1946 or 1947.jpg for which you have attempted to add a fair use rationale as well as a CC licence is certainly not freely licenced either.

Technically File:Harperley PoW Camp 93 Foals in the Meadow.jpg is a derivative work and will still likely be within the copyright of the original artist or his heirs and is also not your own work, even though the photo is your work. Lastly I presume you did take File:Haperley PoW Camp 93 Winter 2005.jpg and this seems to be the only correctly licenced image. Hope that helps. ww2censor (talk) 19:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

• I concur with ww2censor's assessment. And to amplify; claiming someone else's work as your own is an outright copyright violation. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi again

Apologies for my naivity. I am aware of the legalities but need help to physically add these images File:Kantine 1946.jpg File:Harperley Camp Theatre Group & Camp Orchestra approximately 1946 or 1947.jpg to the page as they are essential to the history and portrayal of the subject.

The original owners of the all but one of the images are unknown. The property owners of Harperley POW Camp 93 were also donated the original images from visitors and wellwishers. Am I still able to apply the images to the page albeit with limited usage? If so do I upload again with the appropriate licence & tag or is there another procedure to follow? I'd be grateful for any and all help you and/or any colleagues are able to provide. Rolyat29 (talk) 18:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

• Since the remaining images are not yours, and the copyright status is at best murky, it is highly unlikely that we could use the images under any free license. We'd have to use them under fair use, and it would have to adhere to all aspects of WP:NFCC policy. Why, in each case, are these images crucial to the article? I'll state again that your claim of these being your "own work" is a serious breach. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Renaming category

I would like you to rename a category in Commons for me. I created a category called commons:Category:Postal Stationery of Puerto Rico. Unfortunately all of the other Commons categories do not capitalize the term Stationery. Can you de-capitalize the word for me or tell me how to do it? Bobdatty (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Mary McAlister

I wonder could I enquire why you deleted my modest and, I would have thought. broadly expansive and informative, changes to this article.

I should explain that I pretend no expertise in the rules and procedures on edits and, if I have transgressed these I apologise.

Firstly I should explain, Mary Mc Mackin McAlister was my father's first cousin. I met Mary McAlister on a number of occasions. She would visit our house when she came to Dublin, we also met her in Donegal on a number of occasions when both on holidays at the same time. Further, we visited her in her home in Glasgow on two occasions - my parents would have visited more frequently. I knew her brother, Father John McMackin, for many years Professor of English at Maynooth - he was one of the concelebrants at the Nuptial Mass at my Marriage.Her daughters would have visited my parent's house in Dublin many times. Two of the daughters lived in Ireland for a period. I would have thought that all this would afford me a modest claim to be a primary source.

In addition, the information I added is contained in the General Registration Records of Ireland - being information disclosed in the registration entries for Mary McMackin's birth and the marriage of her parents.

Bryan Sheridan--Bryan Sheridan (talk) 05:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

As written in my edit summary, I reverted your edits because they were unsourced. We all have personal knowledge of many things for which there is no source to support it. Wikipedia has been criticised for not being reliable and to that end we require reliable published sources for our statements, such as books, newspapers, journals or official documents. You should also read verifiable sources to get a better understanding of what is acceptable or not. The edits you made, that you have confirmed by your post above, is that this information is essentially original research though if you can link to the Registrations records to support some of it that would be great. However, if you do have reliable third-party source you are welcome to readd your edits with the appropriate citations using citation templates. I also see you making some Ireland/Republic of Ireland edits that have been reverted. This is a difficult situation and in most instances we use the piped link [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]] per the Irish manual of style. If I can assist with anything else, please ask. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Riri.jpg

Deleted all, now, ... File:Rihanna.11.jpg, File:RiRiAustralia2.jpg and File:Rihanna.LGOET'11.jpg Bagus Priyambada (talk) --Bagus Priyambada (talk) 04:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

American Rattlesnake

Just a brief explanation about the image. I was trying to figure out how to upload images after an extended absence from Wikipedia. I decided to use the logo from my website, although in retrospect I probably should have tested it out in the sandbox before attempting to upload it to my user page. In any case, my apologies for stumbling through the process. Ruthfulbarbarity (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)