User talk:WolfStonerRocker/Archive 1

Backtracks

Hi, I don't know what else you have on your plate at the moment, but there's not going to be any review of my edit. Discogs and setlist are not reliable sources as they have zero editorial oversight and are created by anonymous members of the public with no verification procedure at all. They are never allowed on Wikipedia. The overlinking you restored was excessive. Well known cities, countries etc are not linked, and there is no repetition of wikilinks within the same section of an article. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough point I suppose, I'll ponder my resource material a bit harder then...Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 22:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Clutch edits

see the issue here is you're editing their entire catalog without adding any type of citation. With their self titled album every genre listed is in the allmusic review, while your were not. If you want to edit their entire catelog you'd be best to simply remove the genre sections as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:189:102:7EB0:550D:92A1:2CEE:9174 (talk) 22:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Well thats a choice I suppose, because I'm in the process of doing such things, but people keep interfering, I'll be blunt about the matter. I've returned to the wiki to 'fix' lots of musical albums faults by various bands that have been listed and genre is one of them and I don't consider Allmusic to be a source of knowledge about genre's, as a musician myself.....22:25, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

(fyi I'm the user who's been editing those. I forgot to log into my account when I did those). See the issue here though is genre is somewhat subjective (especially when you get down to smaller subgenres, many of which only differ by minor details). My biggest issue with changing every album to those two genres (especially with a band that has evolved as much as clutch) is that it doesn't fully represent the bands body of work as a whole. I'm not saying you should label "pure rock fury" as a rap metal album only because of careful with that mic, but just claiming everything is stoner rock and blues rock is fairly false (especially with their first album, which is far grittier and heavier than much of their later work). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. smoothy (talk • contribs) 23:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

OK thats a fair call, as I would then say that the genre should added to the others, as wikipedia's own Stoner Rock page has them on it as part of the 80-90s section, and I can list various websites that state this, plus the amount of songs going back to the second album that reference such matters is also consistant. As a fan myself, and cant wait for the Sydney Australia show (havent missed one since their first tour here in '06) I find it very weird to have some of the genres attached to the band and would then suggest we have that also reviewed.Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 23:23, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thankyou for contributing!

Hi, Of all the editors I invited to share their opinions on the recent report on Karst, you were the only one who contributed. I would like to show my gratitude. I enclose the following WikiLove.

Thanks so much for your contribution. You really helped a newbie! ( Eldorado74) Page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#RE:_Disruptive_Editor_-_Karst Limehous-0 (talk) 18:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Many apologies for you having to deal with corrections from TimothyJosephWood which were rather rude and pointless IMHO. All he did (really) was nitpick at you, and accuse me of being a sock puppet - then he tells you your longer post was unproductive. Anyway, Eldorado74 who sought my help was a newbie, and will value your post. Kind Regards, from Limehous-0 (talk) 18:50, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I suppose, as it is not going anywhere from what I can see. I made my points as I see them. I don't do 'small talk' about issues. I'm mainly on here to edit Musical articles, but I do have knowledge in other backgrounds, which I've been slowly getting into. This whole affair seams rather self interested to me, and Eldorado74 hasn't responded to the situation, so....
But thank you for the appreciation. Nuro msg me 00:10, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Edit conflict at ANI

In case you notice my comment (diff) at ANI and wonder why I inserted it in front of yours, the fact is that I didn't! I've never seen that before, but when I clicked "edit" your comment was not present on the ANI page or in the edit box. Yet when I clicked "save", your comment was present after mine. Very strange. Johnuniq (talk) 07:37, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Strange....I will have to edit my comment now... NuroDragonfly G'dayMate! 07:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Recheck the definistion of Ultra-Nationalist Zionism

Regardless of me thinking this user is wrongdoing, I think you should research a little bit more about what "ultra-nationalist zionism means", simply throwing it at every person who is slightly to the Israeli side is needless. This user presented a fair argument in a wrong way, although I did oppsed the idea of Palestine being labelled under Israel. An Ultra-Nationalist Zionist will blank or vandalize articles such as "Palestinians" or "Nakba", in his edit he will push the narrative that all of the settlements are 100% legal and will refuse to show anything other then that, he will swear and be aggresive toward anyone who disagree with him regardless of nationality, and I have expirianced hatred from Ultra-Nationalist Israels in Wikipedia and real-life. this is the language of an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 08:09, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

To be blunt and very short about it, any denial of the State of Palestine is exactly that. Ultra-Nationists Zionist POV. No ifs. No buts. No nothing. I'm not Israeli or Jewish or Palestinian or Islamic, or even a Christian for that matter. I call the facts before me. I detest any hint of nationalism in anyone. Anywhere. For any reason.
I'll also be questioning if this is the actual account holder who is called Bolter21, as they stated already that they had given their account password over to a relative, which is a permanent ban for doing so. NuroDragonfly G'dayMate! 08:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Aparantly I have a relative who knows how to use Wikipedia and shares the exact level of English and just as familier as me on topics such as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Interesting. Anyways your views about who is Ultra-Nationalists are wrong. You can be an Anti-Zionist or just an unrelated person and alledge that the State of Palesine doesn't exist or ilegitimate. There are people who deny the State of Palestine because they want a bi-national one state solution and there are some who deny it becuase they want a one-state solution without Arabs (-Ultra-Nationalists). There are the majority of the left in Israel (who I am part of) who support the two state solution, including a Palestinian State, but it doesn't mean I personally recognize the State of Palestine because the Palestinians unilaterally declared it and it doesn't mean that there is no respected scholar or a Palestinian leader to say that a Palstinian State doesn't exist yet. Palestine is a thing, but not a de-facto sovereign state and I am backed with sources, not SYNTH (=because the world recognize it - it is a state)--Bolter21 (talk to me) 08:32, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

• If the Left of the Political spectrum in Israel has the view of also not recognising the UN General Assembly vote on the State of Palestine then I'm completely dumbfounded how you can even claim to be of the Left. I'm exceedingly well versed on the debates going on in the Israeli Psyche about this issue. You have not presented yourself as anything other than a supporter of the Zionist view. This is completely unacceptable. Political and Religious views are irrelevant on WP. Your attempts to claim some legitimacy in this case are contradictory, and that is if this is actually the owner of this account, which I no longer believe. I have no respect for the Political views of Hamas or it's supporters, I will also state for the record, and do not excuse their actions, just as I don't excuse the actions of the IDF.

I am a historian, and I do not, under any circumstances, care in any way shape or form about Religious views or sentiments or emotions of anyone for any reason. Science and Proven Facts are all that matter. Especially in History. Especially in Military Conflicts. And making sure the facts never get swept under the carpet is the goal in my endeavours. I consider Holocaust Deniers to be the worst case example, followed by the actions of States with exceptionally higher degrees of Military hardware, Killing innocent people, who are using Literally rocks and stick against tanks. The crimes of the IDF and of Hamas (and the PLO before them) are well known to me. I consider both parties to be guilty of Crime Against Humanity, War Crimes, and a plethora of other crimes that the Leadership of both Palestine and Israel should be on trial in The Hague, many, many years ago. I make that statement with the Facts of History on my side, which is not debatable in the sense of contradicting it, except by people who wish to deny the truth, just like at the Nuremberg trials of the NAZI's when the excuse was used I was only following orders. I see no difference.

Anyone who denies the right of Palestine to exist, with full control of it's own boarders, sea-lanes, air space, trade routes and agreements with other countries, without the control or oversight of the IDF or the Israeli Government, which has the effect of systematically and literally starving the Population of Gaza, is an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist. Just as any Arab/Persian Political/Military Government/Organisation, that claims that Israel should not exist is just as guilty of an unacceptable Nationalist Agenda and Ideology. All based on Mythological Religious mental insanity. I am, as I stated, not a Judaean, a Christian or a Muslim. I consider the opinions of the those that are Followers the Book and Descendants of Abraham to be evil incarnate on this Planet. You know why? Because the amount of Wars that have been started by some Ideological Zealot of one of these three Religions. in the name of the said religion, is unforgivable. It's the curse of studying Warfare, that any type of faith one may have had (which I never had in the first place) is destoyed, and in my case is utterly condemned as the source of all evil.

No, I don't need a refresher course on the terminology. I am very aware of my language skills. I have no time for Nationalist Ideology.

Why? Because it's the reason this planets still at war for stupid reasons. And as this is my Talk Page, Ill express myself as I see fit, because it was you (which I don't believe is you) who came on here, not the other way around, to start another argument with someone who does not support Your POV.

If you actually have any serious intent of contributing to a Neutral Article on issues that have conections to either Isarael or Palestine, then I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself over the stated position you hold on the issue of the State of Palestine being correctly written in this Encyclopaedia people are trying to build.

NuroDragonfly G'dayMate! 11:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

::You have not presented yourself as anything other than a supporter of the Zionist view. - You have now banned the complete majority of the Israelis in Wikipedia including some other Jews and a large group of non Jews and Israelis.

I detest any hint of nationalism in anyone.

Political and Religious views are irrelevant on WP.

Anyone who denies the right of Palestine to exist, with full control of it's own boarders, sea-lanes, air space, trade routes and agreements with other countries, without the control or oversight of the IDF or the Israeli Government, which has the effect of systematically and literally starving the Population of Gaza, is an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist.

Don't you see the hypocrisy?

And I do not oppose Palestinian National rights', I am indifferent about them and if the two-state solution is the only solution, so be it.

I simply oppose the fact Wikipedia now says "Palestine is a state..." while unbiased sources say otherwise.

I doubt your legitimacy as someone who wants to judge other people. You think that literally everyone who oppose your POV is an Ultra-Nationalist and you think Zionists (which are some 98% of the Jewish population in Israel) have no place in Wikipedia.

You clearly understand nothing in Israeli politics and you are naive to think wars are because religions and ideologie, that's a very conformist thing to say. You present two things as evil and then you claim you are not part of them so you could justify your existence. Saying I should not analyze your personality will be hypocritical because that's exactly what your did with me.

don't call people Ultra-Nationalist Zionists because you'll just make an idiot of yourself and I believe you are not.

--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:03, 17 April 2016 (UTC) (Bolter21 not logged in, from phone)

This is useless. do what ever you want, just dont call me an Ultra-Nationalist Zionist and state that those are evil and responsible for inhumanity.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 17:11, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

You don't get it. You can't state that the State of Palestine DOESN'T exist. Your opinion is irrelevant. I have outlined the issue your referring to in summary. Why are they what your referring to? Because this is what the Deniers of the State of Palestine push on the world, via various forms of whitewashing the actual Truth of the matter. The Deniers of the State of Israel are laughed at, and nobody takes them seriously. That is a fucking Huge difference, and your pushing this "I just don;t agree that the State of Palestine exists" crap because of semantics and a language barrier?!?!?! Accept that the views your pushing are the Zionist Positions, irrelevant of your denial at being one, and IF you actually are not one, then wake up to the reality of what your saying.

PS: Don't misunderstand me, I have no care about the State of Palestine or Israel or what their called or anything, I just know what the True World Political and the Military Actions of specific Nations against specific nations ACTUALLY are and the ramifications because of their actions, and I don't shut my mouth about it. I'm not a Conservative or of the Right-Wing and I detest such political views, which I do not apologies for. Nürö Drägönflÿ, G'däÿ Mätë! 23:46, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

I am a Zionist from the political left. Not being Zionist in Israel means you want to replace Israel by something else. I am not an "Ultra-Nationalist" so please stop accusing people of being Zionist. That's just as I will accuse you of pushing Anti-Theist secular evil propagana. Now that's the first point and wether you accept it or not, please stop accusing people of having a certain ideology and calling them inconstructive radicals.

My second point is I have never denied the existence of Palestine, that's a complete distortion of my arguments and only Israelis understood it because we understand a small friction of the reality which is not represented by UN votes. That is that the State of Palestine barely exist de-facto. You say "I don't care about Israeli of Palestine..." and that's the source of the problem.

In 1988 a State of Palestine was declared, it was in a form of a government-in-exile led almost exclusively by the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) (Which at the time was an observer organization in the UN since 1974)

'In 1994-1996 a Palestinian National Authority (PNA) was established, it is a different body than the PLO but mainly represented by the PLO. It was supposed to be an interim government for five years but a State was not followed in 1997 because of failure of the talks. In 2012 the SoP's status was upgraded from an 'entity' to a 'non-member observer state', but the day after the vote, nothing changed on the ground, the de-facto government in the West Bank is the PNA, represented bt the Palestinian Legislative Council while the SoP's Palestinian National Council had almost no meeting in the last two decades.

Therefore, regardless of the vote, the unilaterally declared State of Palestine is still not a de-facto sovereign state.

The last claim is based on non-biased sources such as Palestinians, leaders of countries that recognize Palestine and respected scholars with a title of professors or doctors of international law.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 06:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

• "....not being Zionist in Israel means you want to replace Israel with something else".
  No it doesn't, and if that is the excuse the Left of the Israeli Political Elite are standing by, then you need to rethink that very hard.
• "....I am not an 'Ultra-Nationalist' so please stop accusing people of being Zionist".
  This is a contradictory comment. I supported you initially because of the language barrier, but this is ridiculous.
• "....That's just as I will accuse you of pushing 'Anti-Theist secular evil propagana'. Now that's the first point and wether you accept it or not, please stop accusing people of having a certain ideology and calling them 'inconstructive radicals'..".
  I'm actually a Buddhist and have been since I was 3. I don't bother to mention this often, as it's irrelevant to every other human on earth. I will point blank state that the Religions involved - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - most certainly ARE the problem with the "Holy Land", and the reason we even have the factors we are discussing.
• "....My second point is I have never denied the existence of Palestine, that's a complete distortion of my arguments and only Israelis understood it because we understand a small friction of the reality which is not represented by UN votes. That is that the State of Palestine barely exist de-facto. You say "I don't care about Israeli of Palestine..." and that's the source of the problem".
  You misread, or misunderstand, the nuance. You have tried to claim support for Palestine, at the same time deny its 'existence' (as a Separate, Sovereign Sate) outside of being an Israeli 'Satellite' Annexed territory. This right here is the problem. The views of the Israeli government or its populace are of no significance to the rest of the world, on it's (Palestine) Status, and you tried to claim otherwise. What the Zionist agenda is simply does not have a place on WP, at all. Just like the Hamas doctrine of 'never recognising' the right of Israel to exist.
• "....In 1988 a State of Palestine was declared, it was in a form of a government-in-exile led almost exclusively by the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) (Which at the time was an observer organization in the UN since 1974)".
  "....In 1994-1996 a Palestinian National Authority (PNA) was established, it is a different body than the PLO but mainly represented by the PLO. It was supposed to be an interim government for five years but a State was not followed in 1997 because of failure of the talks".
  "....In 2012 the SoP's status was upgraded from an 'entity' to a 'non-member observer state', but the day after the vote, nothing changed on the ground, the de-facto government in the West Bank is the PNA, represented bt the Palestinian Legislative Council while the SoP's Palestinian National Council had almost no meeting in the last two decades".
  Your are cherry picking. The activities of the Israeli (Zionist) Government, in how any of these proclamations at the UN where implemented on the ground, is the condemning factor of your stated opinion. Nothing could be achieved because of the IDF, though at the same time I don't condone the PLO/PNA-Hamas stance either.
• You have contradictory claims about your stated aims. Your argument is very weak in your attempt to outline the status of Palestine. It is the Occupation of the lands that is the reason the State of Palestine is in the position it is. The Illegal Military Annexation, for the purpose of population control, by the IDF is condemned by all, except the USA (in reality) and even then they have changed their tine recently.
• What you fail to realise, is that the manner in which you (just like another person in trouble for pushing POV relating to the Status of Palestine, who is now blocked) state the matter is not acceptable to the Neutral Standards that are expected of a contributor, ESPECIALLY when dealing with such a subject. You seam unable to grasp the fact that the lack of Political Education outside of the Israeli Sphere is what has caused you this problem. You continuously cite Zionist Propaganda, but are claiming to be a 'voice from the Israeli Left'.
• I'm dumbfounded by the lack of education on the REALITIES of the situation. The West Bank, Gaza & the Golan Heights where all seized by the IDF in the 1967 Six Day War, and the fact that Israeli's (any one for that matter) think they were/are part of Israel is insane. If this is the standard of Education that is given to young Israeli's, I'm more than outraged. To claim, or to teach your students, they are anything other than 'Illegally Occupied' territory is also a lie. You and this other editor have both done this in your attempts to push your POV.

Nürö Drägönflÿ, G'däÿ Mätë! 08:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

And the prize for the most prejudist cocksure person I've ever encountered on Wikipedia goes to... YOU! Your basic understanding of Israeli politics is so low that it will be a total waste of time to explain it to you.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 10:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

• I have ZERO care about your appraisal of anything. You have more than demonstrated that you are incapable of having a PROPER discussion about the subject. Cocksure? Ignorant of Israeli Politics? I don't care if you think this way, I'm not going to Cite every thing under the sun to prove your an Extremists, in the way you think your entitled to behave as an Israeli.

Nürö Drägönflÿ, G'däÿ Mätë! 10:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

• Also their are very few Arabs or Persians, that I've come across, trying to change the wording of Israel on it's article's. I was going to contribute to some of them, and I may in the future, but I'm leaving this subject matter now. I advise you not to contact me again, as I find it more than frustrating to have to explain the Literal, Historical Reality of how the State of Israel came into being, and the continued Zionist, Right-Wing, Fundamentalist, Expansionists, Illegal Occupation of Lands that continues to happen to this day. I've never once said that I'm against the Jewish State or that I do not support Israel's existence. Far from it. I have pointed out the War Crimes committed by it, the IDF, on Innocent Civilians. I have also pointed out the same War Crimes by the PLO/Hamas over my discourse. The difference is that Israel has Tanks, War Ships, Modern Military Equipment, Armaments Factories and all the required elements of a War Machine. The Palestinians have access to smuggled in parts that they 'jury rig' various types of 'improvised weapons', and in an act I also do not support, laucnh them at Israeli Civilian targets. And Rocks..... Lots of Rocks..... Lots and lots and lots of Rocks..... Which the youth throw at Tanks.... Big, Armoured Tanks....Big, Armoured Tanks, Heavily outgunning said children with Rocks. Once again, I will point out my Military History knowledge, and once again I will state that this is all that matters, as I'm not voicing my Opinion on the articles in question on those pages, I haven't even contributed anything yet to any of them (and possibly will not now), but I'm speaking my mind on MY personal user talk page. After you contacted me. After you vandalised my personal User Page. I even originally supported you, with the (to me) obvious factor of a language barrier, but you couldn't keep your mouth shut, could you?. And when you opened it again, you continued your Zionist stance. Zionism is not 'good', just like the 'Soviet Communist' was not good, just like the NSDAP was not 'good', just like the 'PLO and Hamas' are not 'good', just like 'Fundamentalist Muslims' are not 'good'. And you now why?... They all preach a One-Eyed view of how others should live their lives. They all claim to be Infallible and correct, about everything. I am a Historian, who, as with Science, accepts that when New information is collected, I can change my views and stated opinions on a subject. Religion ignores this Fundamental, Correct, way of living ones daily life. I have no time or respect for that. To claim that I am also attempting to be Infallible, well that is an intentional misdirection and misrepresentaion of the facts, to further your own aims and agenda. I am here to build an Encyclopaedia, not promote Racist views by Zionists. And yes, I call denying the independence of Palestine a racist act. The Political views of Israel are condemned in most of the Parliaments of the world. The Political views of the Arabs/Persians are just as condemned. I have had enough of this now, your annoying me, an talking to a child about the realities of the REST of the world is tiresome......

Nürö G'däÿ 13:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism

• Vandalising my Personal User Page with the bullshit that someone just did is not going to be forgotten.
• Further more, trying to claim the opinions that you did, who ever you are, is proof of the Unsupported and Ignorant attitudes of Zionism. I have no respect for the stated positions of the Arab countries on Israel, as I've outline numerous times, either. Who ever thinks they are correct in such attacks on my personal page is a pathetic little maggot.

I've blocked the IP responsible for that vandalism, and I've rev-deleted the edits. I'll watch your page and will deal with any further vandalism (if someone else doesn't see it first). If you want, I can semi-protect your user page so that unconfirmed editors cannot edit it - let me know what you think. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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• On your user page, "I do not go onto Article Talk Pages to cram my POV down others throughts" should be "I do not go onto Article Talk Pages to cram my POV down others' throats". Note apostrophe and spelling... Sorry, I teach English. HTH.   Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 03:05, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Cheers, as I state I'm Dyslexic...and I have corrected now.

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Regarding 97.95.12.163, the user is an obvious sock of 96.35.115.44. The user has been blocked at both IPs now for persistent disruptive editing, unsourced changes, no edit summaries, refusing to discuss or communicate with other users for any reason, unexplained reversions, POV content about "stand-alone sequels", incorrect fiction title formats after being explained to how we deal with film titles, incorrectly regarding poster taglines as the actual title, ETC. Here are some of the diffs:

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28]. I hope this will suffice (for when you asked for the diffs when I filed the report at ANI). DarkKnight2149 13:05, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Just trying to help, and thanks. Some of the comments left I thought were ....well I wont voice my opinion on it actually. Thank you for assist.

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Capping

I saw with alarm your assertion that all musical styles should be capped. No. If you find yourself doing it, please tell me so I can revert it. Tony (talk) 02:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

What? I have stated this, yes. Why you have felt the need to write this is beyond me. I have outlined my point on the matter, which is one opinion amongst others. You reason behind such a comment is not respectful in the slightest and is YOUR POV only.

PS: Don't cite WP policy 'ad nauseum' as it is brushing off the matter with hubris. I actually said that the First letter of each word should be; especially after a break, coma or full stop.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 02:39, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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• Ahh I see now what you mean, thank you.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 01:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

section headings

Per MOS:HEAD and WP:BADHEAD, section headers go in sequential order. No skipping. You are also reverting without giving a reason why. You also haven't said why you are going against accessibility guidelines. FYI... no articles currently go against WP:BADHEAD but "your" articles. Cosmetics is not a reason. Bgwhite (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

You now have violated 3RR with your revert of Orgasmatron (album) and Overkill (Motörhead album). Any further 3RR violations will result in a block. Bgwhite (talk) 21:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

You need to do much better in your explanation as I've read the these sections before and I do not see your p[point. Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 21:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

It's right in the second sentence in BADHEAD, Headings should be nested sequentially, starting with level 2 (==), then level 3 (===) and so on (level 1 is not used, as this is the auto-generated page title), neither using random heading levels (e.g. selected for emphasis, which is not the purpose of headings), nor skipping parts of the sequence. Bgwhite (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello @Bgwhite: and good morning from Australia. I was just in the process of sending you an apology, as I finally saw what you meant, and have been trying to get across. I have misread this, in the amount of info on how to section these parts of the article, but it finally jumped out at me a moment ago. So thank you I suppose for getting it to finally make sense to me, as in what these reverts by you have meant. Little touchy with the amount of work I have put into collating the body a a whole. I appreciate errors being fixed, but couldn't get the point trying to be made; I don't appreciate threats of blocking though, and I may well have violated 3RR, but once again I have come across a situation were the Senior editor is not being explanatory enough, to sound helpful instead of demanding, as far as I'm concerned, from the beginning, but expects obedience. You may not feel that way, but at 07:03 in the morning with a plethora of Red msgs showing up, its not a pleasant sight to see nor is it welcomed. I have though finally seen the concerns being raised by you and will not use the incorrect heading style, and yes I feel slightly embarrassed that I completely misunderstood it in the first place. No hard feelings from me though, ok. Regards..

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 21:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

No problem. I know about misunderstanding all too well... my wife constantly reminds me that I misunderstand her. Don't get me started on my mother-in-law. The threat of 3RR was also for your protection, as I'd rather not see people get blocked. 3RR is a bright-line rule. It's common for an outsider to see it and blocks start to happen. Crap, Australia. Now you are making me jealous. I have an intense desire to live in Tasmania. Bgwhite (talk) 23:06, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Tassie is full of beautiful scenery but the locals are....well its a long way from everything and lets just say the 1950s are coming to an end (it is the butt of all 'yocal' and 'cousin/sister/brother' style jokes in Oz). I'm also someone who has spinal issue, as I was recently (3 years) diagnosed with Disc Disease in three parts of my spine and neck and have been 'pensioned off' because of it, so WP has become something to occupy my time. I'm getting the hang of the do's and don't's, but haven't read every WP policy yet, nor am I an expert yet on them all. The 'style' issues are more of my Dyslexia and the way I 'see' the screens. Still I'm trying to contribute productively, hence my marathon efforts with Motörhead so far, which just never seems to end.....plus I have come across Vandalism and personal attacks due to POV battleground situations. So all good my man, and keep it real eh.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 23:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I completely understand about "something to occupy my time". I need something to feel productive and WP does that. Once I get tired of WP, I'm going to be in trouble. It does take awhile to get used to things around here and to find your niche. It took me a good year to get comfortable. The best thing I did was to bring an article upto "Featured Article" status because it taught me the "correct" way to do things. Don't worry about knowing about every policy because nobody can remember them all. Plus, there's the added benefit of policy changing all the time. Bgwhite (talk) 18:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016

Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Kulbhushan Yadav.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. —TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 00:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

You have no justification to notify me about this, as it is not me that is using POV in the debate. I am formally ignoring your comment here on my talk page.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 00:12, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Really? Please see:

• Opening sections after sections after section at Talk:Kulbhushan Yadav about the reliability of ALL the sources mentioned in the article.
• Saying that none of them are reliable.
• Going to the extent of saying that the "New Indian Express" "is blatantly nationalistic about the matters and doesn't try to be informative. I wouldn't support this source", and that "New Indian Express" "is poorly written. It doesn't cover much, or accurately written".
• But at the same time pushing blatant POV by precisely supporting POV and WP:FAKE edits sourced exactly from the same newspaper (New Indian Express) by reverting twice in a row, because this time it supports your POV, is nothing but disruptive editing.
• Just to remind you, you are also edit-warring and will be reported for 3RR vio.

BTW, a single edit to revert POV does not constitute edit-warring as you tried to imply in your edit-summary. However, doing this and this (two consecutive reverts against two editors) surely does. Be careful, please. —TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 00:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm ignoring all discourse from you.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 00:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Sure.—TripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ^ʞlɐʇ 00:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm. TripWire may be right here. You know that the New Indian Express isn't a great source. Not sure why you opened an ANI report against that revert. His later reverts are much more to the point. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

• It was because the editor who reverted the edit did so with a summary that read, and I quote: "..the India source is just lying.." - that is POV. I may have said I think the source is biased but that does not change the fact that this is POV. I have also read through the amount of reverts that have happened over the last 24hrs, since I made my statement, and it is edit warring by all involved as far as I'm concerned. This entire article is very badly written and there is blatant Pakistani Nationalistic POV pushing, by now at least three different editors. I've had enough of it.

22:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, precise language may not be the best forte of our Pakistani friends, but the fact is that it is not clear what Rouhani was referring to as a "rumour." The New Indian Express took a rather strong interpretation, which is hard to substantiate. In any case, ANI is quite overloaded these days, and nothing much happens there. This is too weak a case to get the admins' attention. I hope you will continue with the discussions. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 23:49, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

To be honest, out of shear 'tough skin' of mine I will endeavour with the article, as I have been slowly (offline) attempting to give it some extremely needed neutral POV. But It is not a priority of mine, either.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 00:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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Removed

As per ur request. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 06:04, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion

Nuro, you should comment at WP:AE instead of WP:ANI. See [29] --ArghyaIndian (talk) 06:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Non-free images

Hello, Nuro Dragonfly. Please do not embed non-free content in your userspace, as it is always in violation of our non-free content policy (specifically item 9). The relevant guideline about userspaces be found here: Wikipedia:User pages#Non-free images.

As the guideline says, such images will be removed from userspace without warning (in reply to your edit summary, the community as a whole is required to observe and enforce this policy; please also read Wikipedia:Vandalism to learn what should and what should not be called vandalism).

Please remove the image from your sandbox, and if you want it to be used in articles, provide a proper source that answers where exactly did you get it from, instead of just "Internet". – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:52, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello, this has arisen due to someone putting some grotesque, massive, image on my sandbox, which I don't consider anybody else on WP to have any right to edit for any reason, as it is something that I'm working on in 'my space', not the public domain, and was extremely offended by these actions. Once again, I don't consider the actions of a senior editor's manners to be correct or civil or appropriate.

Having said that, and hence my reaction, I have read the link provided about section #9 that was referenced to me now. I have also been putting <---Cancelled xx --> around the Cover section of the syntax when in my sandbox. The Motörhead album I'm working on has already had a new, smaller, version attached to the current article by me previously. The images I attain for my personal use have all been collected from various sources over many, many years, and I've never looked at the site in question, as I just use the 'view image' option and decided if it is what I'm looking for, to use with my Album collections covers.I have been resizing them, to a fit the guidelines WP has put in place when using Non-Free covers, myself, so they are not from 'any specific' site any more and I wouldn't begin to collect the amount of images on album covers again that I have on file.

I have correctly credited the Label they were released under, which is the main requirement of the policy in place. I will not be searching the internet again for such things, and I consider anyone thinking this is what I need to be doing very incorrect in that. The copyright to the album covers always reverts to the original label who released them as far I remember, unless their is a specific WP difference that I'm unaware of? This then covers the policies main requirement I would say. As for putting something up further than 'Internet' it would then become a debate on whether the source attained from had done so correctly themselves in the first place, would it not? Therefore this becomes a merry-go-round, and I do not consider this something I should or need to ascertain prior to using an image from the Free source of the internet. I am attempting to cover the relevant, serious, specific policies that WP has had court issues with over time, but I don't think I have been a massive failure

I do thank you for letting me know that their is an issue with the Sandbox that I was not aware of, and I apologies for not having the cover section blank sooner. I am getting up to speed on such matters as they come across me, and I have read various policies on various things, but don't profess to be an expert yet by any means. I am learning the does and don'ts to be a useful editor in specific areas on this Encyclopaedia, and will endeavour to continue to do so. Regards..

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 00:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid the immediate source (the URL in this case) must be presented. Please see Wikipedia:Non-free content#Sourcing, which explicitly addresses this issue.

While we usually want to find out the original publication to determine copyright status, this is not so much the case with non-free content. It's because we assert fair use under the assumption that it is copyrighted, and that there is nothing we can do about it. Instead, we focus on the consequences of our assertion. These are respect of commercial opportunities (WP:NFCC#2, which is derived directly from fair use in U.S. law) an previous publication (WP:NFCC#4). Crucially, because copyright is attached to a work when it's made and not when it's published, we want to be sure that a work has been published by someone else before we do. It would be rather dubious to publish someone's work here for free for the first time, and still maintain that they have commercial opportunities. The immediate source must be provided, and it also serves as a proof that there has been previous publication. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm...I have to look through these then in that case, as that's not quite been my understanding of the free use parameters. It seems interpretative at present in a way. I'll read these before uploading any more in this case..Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 02:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Restoring removed material on others' talkpages

Hey - edits like this are unhelpful. The other editor removed the message - and it is to be assumed that they read and understood it. Do not restore that message again. See WP:TPO for further information. SQL^{Query me!} 03:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Additionally, you have been blocked for making legal threats. Until such time that your legal threat ("YOU WILL BE CHARGED WITH HARASSMENT") has either been irrevocably rescinded - or has been concluded - you may not edit here. SQL^{Query me!} 03:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I didn't make a legal threat. I used the only words that I could think of. I have tried to get this user to cease their harassment of me. I don't know who you are or why you have done this? Seriously, this user has not learnt to leave me alone, and I told them so. I've made a legal threat??

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 03:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

You made a legal threat when you posted "YOU HAVE 30 MINUTES TO REMOVE YOUR POST FROM MY TALK PAGE. IF YOU DO NOT, I WILL REMOVE IT AND YOU WILL BE CHARGED WITH HARASSMENT." I don't know how to explain this to you in any simpler form. SQL^{Query me!} 04:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

And as I have just said I did no such thing. I am referring to this user being put before the AN/I for their actions. How am supposed to instruct them to stop harassing me? I don't care how my words read, this user is part a massive dispute at ARE and is continuously harassing me. I consider your actions to be very inappropriate, considering the facts. I have made no such actual legal threat, for the record.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 04:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

And yet now you seem to know how to explain it just fine without indicating that you will be bringing legal charges. SQL^{Query me!} 04:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

You found the words just fine here. It is my opinion as an administrator that you made a clear and deliberate legal threat. SQL^{Query me!} 04:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Nuro Dragonfly, what is there to say? I'm quite disappointed that you chose to be combative towards others, and make threats of action as you've been doing. This is exactly the stuff that I've been mentoring you and working with you on my talk page about for months; you knew that what you were doing was wrong, and against the mentoring principles that I taught you. I'm still open to mentoring you, but you need to stop, apologize, and be peaceful - like I've been teaching you to do. You're better than this; be the good editor I've seen you be, and do the right thing. Please. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:21, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Choice of wrong words

@Oshwah and SQL: His choice of words were wrong. He didn't meant those in legal terms like hiring a lawyer to press charges. When he stated "YOU WILL BE CHARGED WITH HARASSMENT" , he actually meant that he will accuse Sheriff of WP:HARASSMENT as Sheriff was posting comments about WP:CANVASS on his talk page. WP:HARASSMENT is a policy that can be used by a user if they feel that they are harassed. Those who understand English, also know that same word can have different meaning. He doesn't even know how to put unblock request.

Nuro Dragonfly, whatever happens, don't evade your block with new accounts or Ips. Remember that indefinite block is not infinite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.176.14.209 (talk • contribs)

@DragonflySixtyseven: Why didn't you put a block notice here, about how to make an unblock request? And these are the various meanings of charge:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/charge

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/charge

So, you see the word "Charge" can have other meanings than in legal concept. --223.176.14.209 (talk) 05:03, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh surprise IP with no edits, but seemingly intricate knowledge of how things work here... You should know that a block notice isn't required - even tho I notified the user of the block. Additionally, unblock request instructions are not required either. This matter is settled, I might add. SQL^{Query me!} 05:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Statement - OK, this has all gotten well beyond what I am trying to achieve. Oshwah is correct in his admonishment of my actions. It wasn't what I meant, but I have written it when extremely angry. I do formally apologies for writing something that, quite reasonable, can be seen as a legal threat from me, a matter I know is taken very seriously by admin, and for good reasons. I also apologies for behaving like a child instead of grown man, with civility and decorum towards those that I am interacting with. I have allowed this situation to cloud my re-actions as a contributor, and therefore have acted out of hate and with obvious contempt of the process. For this is I unreservedly apologies for my actions, as irrelevant of my opinion of others behaviour, I have not conducted myself with self respect, or integrity, and am solely responsible for my own actions, not others. I accept the fact that SQL acted out of their responsibilities as an admin to insure the protection of the forum we chose to participate in. I also accept that I wrote something that could only be seen as meaning what it clearly states, irrelevant of my thoughts at the time as to what I wanted achieved. Again my apologies. I have no intentions of trying to evade anything with another account or such actions. I am an honourable man and don't need to hide from my actions.

′Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 04:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Since no one is helping this user, you must read Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks and Wikipedia:Appealing a block. After that you have to use Template:Unblock. Till then please have patience. Thanks. People get blocked indefinitely for creating WP:ATTACK, WP:OUTING, WP:SOCK, and WP:NLT. 223.176.14.209 (talk) 05:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Excellent knowledge of some odd corners of Wikipedia - oh IP with 3 edits in. I've unblocked you Nuro - Please, remember that this is a collaborative project, and threats - even unintended threats have the potential to disrupt the project significantly. I'm not here to be the bad guy, and I'm not taking sides in any way shape or form - I'm just here to protect the project. Thank you for understanding our position, and please feel free to ask if you need anything. @DragonflySixtyseven: - you were the blocking admin - I hope you're OK with this, if not let me know ASAP! SQL^{Query me!} 05:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Nuro Dragonfly - Thank you for doing the right thing. I know that owning up to one's own mistakes isn't an easy thing to do, and I fully acknowledge your response and apology and the cost that it probably has made upon you (in many aspects). In the end, you chose civility and peace over continued battleground conduct and threats, and for that I commend you.

However, you need to acknowledge that you have a pattern of letting yourself become personally and emotionally involved in arguments and disagreements, and that you have a pattern of becoming uncivil towards others as a result. You must understand that this is something that you need to make a serious effort at correcting. I will be there for you and I will continue to help you, but this must be corrected. If this behavior is repeated again, you will be blocked and with my endorsement. I'm sorry, man... but you know that this behavior is unacceptable, and that you've given many chances. We're patient and we try and assume good faith, but that is not conditional and will not last forever. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@Oshwah: I accept and understand your comments, and I take no ill will from them. I also apologies for letting you and myself down, for the second time in a serious manner. @DragonflySixtyseven: @SQL: I do feel the need to express myself somewhat, that this issue has arisen from a long list of interactions between the Indian and Pakistani editors that I have become involved with, at the request of another editor, to try and achieve some neutrality. I will also express that I have come to the view that the three editors I have been referring to have/are/do use WP policy in very nefarious ways, to harass, badger, intimidate and generally attempt to brow beat and overwhelm anyone else trying to contribute to Pakistan-Indian articles, that have a differing view to theirs. This has been dealt with in various ways by various admin, but nothing has changed, from the involvements I have recently had. This doesn't excuse my behaviour, and I'm not attempting to, but I feel that the manner I have conducted myself has just been a blunter version of their overall behaviour patterns towards others and myself. I will be taking a semi-hiatus from WP, as it is clearly the best course, and I be extremely busy in the real world for the foreseeable future anyway, but that is coincidental. I hope that some good can come of this as a whole though, and I accept and understand that this has resulted in what could be termed a final warning for me to not re-act to situations as a child, or I will not be participating any more on WP. I'll make no grandiose claims of this or that about my future self, but will say that time will tell, as it always does.

PS: My apology was just Buddhist philosophy I grew up learning, though I'm still a student.

That is brlliant! Buddhism is quite useful for editing Wikipedia. Pinging Joshua Jonathan, a superlative Buudhist Wikipedian from whom I have learnt a lot. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For your helpful contribution in sorting out the Kulbhushan Yadav page and getting over your own emotional reactions in the disputes. It was just brilliant! Kautilya3 (talk) 10:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

NWOBHM again

Hello there. The article is still sitting on the fence between "promote" and "not promote" at [Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/New Wave of British Heavy Metal/archive1]. You participated in the long discussion about the term "movement" and were very clear about your position, but it was put in doubt if you supported the whole article for promotion or not. Please, would you mind to clarify this point on the FAC page? Lewismaster (talk) 18:04, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I've supported movement Lewis, good luck with it.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 01:36, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

To be accurate...

Re: this

To be fair, the poor English ability of the editor in question has not "become a problem on an article", or rather that is not the problem I was talking about. The poor English he added to the article space can be corrected; or, rather, it could be, if he would stop challenging attempts to correct it based, apparently, on a rather odd belief that his English is perfect.

And from my perspective at least, the problem is not any one article; it is his actions on the MOS:KOREA talk page.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Hello, yes I understand your point. I personally am quite feed up with Non-Native English speakers being given so much 'wiggle room' actually. It is causing multiple problems on various pages. I have encountered many non native speakers who contribute very positively towards the project as a whole and as individuals. But then you have the various Agenda pushers from countries that do not have the same education levels as the Westerners do, in the main at least, and think what they are doing is actually correct, when most of the time they are blatantly pushing Nationalist agendas. Still I'm not admin so I don't get a say other then to occasionally bring it up, which is what it is and that's that I suppose. Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 23:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Motörhead

Hi Nürö,

On 3 June 2016, 23:33 (UTC), you wrote:

«Hello, I see you have been involved in editing Motörhead. You need to read through all the talk pages for the last 5 months prior to continuing the style of edits you have made, which if you had done so would know no to put English attached to their lede any more.

Current line up (for 25 years)

Lemmy is originally from England, but moved to LA in 1990 permanently, becoming a US Greencard permanent resident

Phil Campbel is Welsh, not English, and has continuously lived in Wales (joined 1984)

Mikkey Dee is Swedish, not English, and has continuously lived in Sweden (joined 1991)

Previous lineups:

Michael Burston is English, but moved to LA in 1990, and left the band in 1995 (11 years in the band)

Eddie Clarke is English, but left the band in 1982 (7 years in the band)

Phil Taylor is English, but left the band in 1984, moved to LA in 1990 after rejoining the band in 1987, and since leaving the band in 1991, returned to England (10 years in the band)

Brian Roberston is Scottish, and left the band in 1984 with Phil Taylor (18 months in the band)

Pete Gill is English and left the band in 1985 (2 years in the band)

They have been an International band 2/3 of its life, the English moniker stopped in 1986, 11 years after Lemmy started the band, and consisted of International members for 25 years, and was not based in England since 1988, 13 years after Lemmy started the band.

If you wish to participate in the Motörhead body of work you need to read all the talk pages first please, and don't forget to put an edit summary so your contribution isn't reverted for failing the rule requiring such edits.

Regards,»

OK! But the Motörhead wiki article wisely says that «Motörhead were an English rock band». According to me and this article, Motörhead is still to be considered as an English rock band owing to the origins of the band's founder members, all England...! The band originated from London, England... It doesn't matter whether the band became International or whether Lemmy became a US Greencard permanent resident... Motörhead will always be an English rock band! Do you got it? I can't figure out why people can't understand this! Sincerely yours. HurluGumene (talk) 08:03, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello mate, yes i can appreciate your points raised. What has happened is that another editor had concerns with using the term "..(then) English band.." which had been used by me when I edited the entirety of their offical albums and all the live albums, as it changed in my view over the years. I don't agree that they have been an English band at all for over 25 years. I'm being inclusive with your good self in that if you wish to have the debate to form a consensus about it, then we need to all get on the Motorhead page an do so. Lemmy stopped carring about England a long time ago. They had more love for Germany actually. I'm more than willing to have us all debate it to find a consensus. Regards Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 04:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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I don't think your POV is correct for this article.

• Who are you and what are you talking about? Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 04:12, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Nuro Dragonfly, I've re-ordered your question (in chronological order) and answered it. - Mailer Diablo 07:36, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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  I'm glad to hear you've had a bit of mentoring from Oshwah, he's a good chap and it's reflecting very well on you both - you questions seemed to be in good faith and that's why I had no problem popping over here for a chat. I'm also sorry to hear about the reason for your wikibreak and hope that things are getting easier for you.
  Regarding the good faith aspect of your comment - good faith is a tricky one. Without seeing evidence to the contrary, I would assume that everyone in the situation you were in was acting in good faith - i.e. believed themselves to be improving the encyclopedia. You, by putting in the effort and writing the article (yes, I know how much work that is) and them by working within Wikipedia's guidelines to remove it. It's one of the unfortunate situations where everyone can be working with the best of intentions and there can still be a clash. In other words, I wouldn't start by questioning the intentions of the editors involved.
  What's more - it's not the end of your hard work. Oshwah might be able to rescue articles you've created that have been deleted under WP:REFUND - they could be moved to your userspace where you could bring them up to the standards that need to be met, be it citing or whatever. Otherwise you could transfer them on to another wiki, or even start your own. I'd do it myself, but am distinctly without admin tools at the moment . Yes, what happened is arbitrary, as I explained in my Arbcom answer a line needs to be drawn somewhere and I believe your article fell below it. On the other hand, I would hope that no one leaves others feeling belittled - my only thought is that the individual sees so many articles each day that they become desensitised to the individual who put in the effort to create it and may have come across as brash. I'm happy to look further into that if you have some diffs. Worm^TT(talk) 21:10, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

  Yeah I'm good now days, really mellow about it all, as I don't have the time to waste any more, just putting my view of it forward since I was asked. I'm just trying to put missing info on some of the bigger, more famous artists/bands as I have such a large collection myself to delve into, and use the original album information, or if its changed the "deluxe" re-issue, as I'm an avid collector. The reality is that I'm someone from a very staunch upbringing from the 'School o' Hard Knocks' type of Aussie, ruff an tumble ol' tattooed lad, and don't put up with back chat from those demeaned to be someone who shouldn't be speaking out loud in my presence (no ego involved, truly), of which these "Keyboard Warriors" got treated here just like I would in real life... But this is not having a beer down the pub, is it?! And I'm not that spring chicken any more either, so.. But forgetting all that crap, just putting in now myself as best as I can.

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