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Högbro (Broa), Halla
Hi there W.carter, would you mind trying to clarify a question about a location in Gotland? Fragments of a Vendel Period, or perhaps Viking Age, helmet were found in Halla (see Sutton Hoo helmet#Helmets; a picture of one piece is here), in a place that most sources refer to as "Högbro (Broa)". This is probably an extremely basic question, but do you know what "Högbro" refers to (e.g., is it a village?), and what the parenthetical "(Broa)" indicates? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 01:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Usernameunique, no problem and no great mystery. :) Högbro is the name of the small village, rather settlement/gathering of houses around a crossroad, in Halla socken. It's also the name of the local bus stop. "Broa" is a misspelling, or more likely a vernacular version (a and e are interchangeable at the end of words in Gotlandic dialect), of the name of Broe farm in Högbro. The site is located on the land belonging to that farm. Farms are often included in the find names of archeological sites on Gotland. Broe is also included among the significant farms in the Swedish article about Halla. If you come across similar quaint names in the Historiska register, here's a tip: On the page you linked to, there is a line that says: "Fornlämning (RAÄ) (R) Halla 48:1". If you click on the "Halla 48:1" (the site number in the Swedish National Heritage Board data base) you will be directed to the online archive of historical sites and buildings in Sweden for that object. The site is marked with a yellow "R" dot. Zoom in on the map and all the location names will be revealed to you. That map site is sort of my "bible" when it comes to all things archeological and names of (small) places in Sweden. :-) A bit of long answer, but I thought you might want verifiable sources rather than just my own knowledge. Cheers, --cart-Talk 09:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- PS. The original notes list the site as "Broe", or more specifically "Broe, Möllebos" which is the name the The Swedish National Land Survey uses for the location. --cart-Talk 09:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- That's hugely helpful, thank you! And major bonus points for the original sources. Although you mention the "yellow 'R' dot," it appears that the helmet fragments would have been found slightly north of that, where Broe farm is marked. Does that seem correct? Also, do you know what "Möllebos" refers to? Finally, would you agree that if basing the off of the findspot (similar to Lokrume helmet fragment and Gevninge helmet fragment), Broe helmet would work for an article title? --Usernameunique (talk) 12:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique, glad you liked it. On the map, for large find sites the "yellow 'R' dots" are always placed at the center of the site, they don't mark each specific find. The sites are marked by a blue area and you can sometimes find so called "stray finds" belonging to the site but located a bit off-site. This is common in agricultural areas where the soil has been plowed, tilled and thus relocated over time. It is not unusual for farmers on Gotland to find old pieces stuck in tools like harrows. Sometimes the pieces go unnoticed and get dropped off at another location. As a matter of fact, archeologists can usually see how the land has been maintained by how say coin treasures are scattered in a field. "Möllebos" is the name of some of the plots/real estate (gardens with houses, like Möllebos 1:13) within Broe. It's hard to say extactly where it comes from. The addendum "bo" means "place to live" in Swedish, the s is the equivalent of 's and Mölle can be a name. So it can simply mean "The place where Mölle live". Perhaps someone named Mölle had the original farm on that place. "Broe helmet" sounds like a good article name. You might want to create a redirect at "Broa helmet" since it is called that in so many sources and place an explanation in the article. I came across a similar thing when I documented Scandinavia's tallest standing stone, Vindbräckastenen (no English article yet), for Wiki Loves Monuments. The locals are prone to drop the "d" since it's easier to pronounce that way in their dialect, so the area, road, bay and menhir hop and skip between "Vindbräcka" and "Vinbräcka". A pleasure to help, please call again if I can be of assistance. --cart-Talk 13:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Reading the note in Swedish on the site map it says that the whole grave area is severely damaged since it is crossed by a major road and a disused railway. Probably no archeological surveys were made before those were built. --cart-Talk 13:43, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Again, an extremely helpful answer. Thank you! As you have seen, the article is underway (with the Broa helmet redirect). I've spent some more time in the site you linked to over the last few days, and think I have a better, though not perfect, understanding of it at this point. In particular, it appears to reflect the notes made during a 1976 archaeological survey of the area (which you refer to above as the "original notes"). Does this seem right to you? I'm still a bit confused to the reference to publications from 1939–40, 1941, and 1973. In addition, it looks like there are actually two farms named Broe, one by the intersection (which I assume is the relevant one), and one to the North, along the road to Hallegårde. Finally, it looks like this is site number 48:1, but it also instructs to see #48—do you have any idea where to locate this?
- By the way, does the interchangeability of a's and e's also explain why some sources refer to T. J. Arne (the author of the book illustrating this helmet) as Ture (e.g., sv:Ture J:son Arne), and some as Tura? I had meant to put together a stub on him some time ago, but let it slide due to the confusion over his name.
- Thanks again for humoring these basic questions. I'm sure I'll have more—after all, there are some 20 Gotlandic helmet fragments—and appreciate your help in working through them. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique, finding things and digging on Gotland is an ever ongoing work. The place is totally littered with finds and you can hardly stick a spade in the dirt without finding something. Farmers have been finding stuff, keeping them at the farm and only started to hand them over to museums when Pehr Arvid Säve put some system to it around the mid 19th century. I call the notes "original notes" because they are the ones kept in the Historical museum's collection from a real survey in 1975. Before that there were, probably not so organized, finds from that place written about in the old archeological journals. The archeological backlog on Gotland is simply HUGE! The way they work is something like this: There is a box in the museum with some unsorted and barely catalogued items found over about a century at a farm/field/harbor/whatever. Some items may have been the subject of articles in some journals throughout the years. When the museum staff finally get some money to spare, a quick inventory is made of the site to see if it's worth investigating more thoroughly. That is almost always the case and a few more years pass until funds are allocated for a proper survey and a dig. Usually they find way more than they have time to handle during that dig, so they collect what they can and close up the site and leave it for future archeologists.
- Broe is a common name on Gotland. There are more places called that. The word "broa/broe" simply means "bridge", so in the old days wherever there was a significant bridge across some stream with a farm or village nearby, it would be called Broe or for short Bro. I also tried to find #48, which is the overall number for all the finds in that small area, but no luck. I guess you have to be able to access the database the archeologists use to read it all.
- If Ture J:son Arne is called "Tura", then it is most certainly a typo. The interchangeability of a's and e's is only in Gotlandic dialect for things and places, not for names of people. Ture is an old very common male name in Sweden. Writing it as Tura, makes it feminine and that is not a Swedish name I've heard of.
- Hopefully, I'll be able to answer more of your questions as they pop up. I've been lucky enough to have poked my nose into several archeological digs on Gotland and assisted in some small way, so I like the subject. --cart-Talk 22:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique: Ha! I think I've solved the thing with #48. Reading the notes on the pfd with the notes, I can see at the bottom right a note saying "Tidigare anteckningar" = 'Earlier notes': RAÄs nr 1934-40 nr 48, (3 och 4). That means that in the notes about the place from 1934-40 in Swedish National Heritage Board's archive, the site is simply referred to as #48 with the addendum (3 and 4). So not notes we can access, sorry. Probably those notes were used to write the early articles about the finds. I can't really read what the note about 1941 says, but it's probably a note on where to find some notes made in 1941. The note 'Top-kartan 1973', is probably about the site being added to a topographical map issued in 1973. --cart-Talk 23:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Nicely found on the references to the notes! They're not the notes linked to from here ("Huvudkatalog (del B), 15 sidor" and "Järnålderskatalog, 6 sidor"), are they? And given that they appear older than the 1976 notes you pointed to earlier, and use the word "Broa", should that change our thinking at all about Broa/e?
- Yes, it's interesting to see the progress in documentation, one step at a time. The Broe helmet is one example—collected in 1904, illustrated in 1969, and described in 1975—and I see that even in the last few years, more photographs of various objects have been added to the Statens historiska museum's database.
- That's very cool to have had the chance to drop in on some digs. There's such a rich and interesting archaeological history on the island (and on the mainland). I can see why Rupert Bruce-Mitford taught himself Swedish after he was put in charge of the finds from the Sutton Hoo ship-burial; it's hard to appreciate the context otherwise. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique, I can only tell that the older notes exists and where they are, I don't have any access to them so I don't know if they are the same notes described in your link, sorry. I think the "Broe" should be kept since it corresponds with maps and addresses, they tend to be more accurate. --cart-Talk 08:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- To be clear, were you able to see the notes themselves? The are available by clicking here and here. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique, I can only tell that the older notes exists and where they are, I don't have any access to them so I don't know if they are the same notes described in your link, sorry. I think the "Broe" should be kept since it corresponds with maps and addresses, they tend to be more accurate. --cart-Talk 08:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique: Ha! I think I've solved the thing with #48. Reading the notes on the pfd with the notes, I can see at the bottom right a note saying "Tidigare anteckningar" = 'Earlier notes': RAÄs nr 1934-40 nr 48, (3 och 4). That means that in the notes about the place from 1934-40 in Swedish National Heritage Board's archive, the site is simply referred to as #48 with the addendum (3 and 4). So not notes we can access, sorry. Probably those notes were used to write the early articles about the finds. I can't really read what the note about 1941 says, but it's probably a note on where to find some notes made in 1941. The note 'Top-kartan 1973', is probably about the site being added to a topographical map issued in 1973. --cart-Talk 23:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Reading the note in Swedish on the site map it says that the whole grave area is severely damaged since it is crossed by a major road and a disused railway. Probably no archeological surveys were made before those were built. --cart-Talk 13:43, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- Usernameunique, glad you liked it. On the map, for large find sites the "yellow 'R' dots" are always placed at the center of the site, they don't mark each specific find. The sites are marked by a blue area and you can sometimes find so called "stray finds" belonging to the site but located a bit off-site. This is common in agricultural areas where the soil has been plowed, tilled and thus relocated over time. It is not unusual for farmers on Gotland to find old pieces stuck in tools like harrows. Sometimes the pieces go unnoticed and get dropped off at another location. As a matter of fact, archeologists can usually see how the land has been maintained by how say coin treasures are scattered in a field. "Möllebos" is the name of some of the plots/real estate (gardens with houses, like Möllebos 1:13) within Broe. It's hard to say extactly where it comes from. The addendum "bo" means "place to live" in Swedish, the s is the equivalent of 's and Mölle can be a name. So it can simply mean "The place where Mölle live". Perhaps someone named Mölle had the original farm on that place. "Broe helmet" sounds like a good article name. You might want to create a redirect at "Broa helmet" since it is called that in so many sources and place an explanation in the article. I came across a similar thing when I documented Scandinavia's tallest standing stone, Vindbräckastenen (no English article yet), for Wiki Loves Monuments. The locals are prone to drop the "d" since it's easier to pronounce that way in their dialect, so the area, road, bay and menhir hop and skip between "Vindbräcka" and "Vinbräcka". A pleasure to help, please call again if I can be of assistance. --cart-Talk 13:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- That's hugely helpful, thank you! And major bonus points for the original sources. Although you mention the "yellow 'R' dot," it appears that the helmet fragments would have been found slightly north of that, where Broe farm is marked. Does that seem correct? Also, do you know what "Möllebos" refers to? Finally, would you agree that if basing the off of the findspot (similar to Lokrume helmet fragment and Gevninge helmet fragment), Broe helmet would work for an article title? --Usernameunique (talk) 12:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
- PS. The original notes list the site as "Broe", or more specifically "Broe, Möllebos" which is the name the The Swedish National Land Survey uses for the location. --cart-Talk 09:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Part 2
Usernameunique, yes I read the notes and it's impossible to say if they are the notes referred to in the 1976 notes since there are no corresponding numbers in them, no author signature and no dates at all. The handwritten notes appears to be the very first, since they have drawings of the finds made in the field, and the printed text with photos is a condensed transcription of the handwritten notes done some time later when the finds came to the museum. What is interesting though is the last part of the texts. Both texts say: "Funna vid odling för anläggande af en trädgård, omkr. en fot djup och å en areal af omkr. ½ kappland." It's in old Swedish so Google translate might have some trouble with it. Anyway, the translation is: "Found next to farmed land when constructing a garden, about one foot deep and of an area of about ½ kappland. (1 kappland = 1/32 Barrel of land = 154.3 square meters) The handwritten notes go on and add: "Inköpt från G. Johansson för 45kr." => "Bought from G. Johansson for SEK 45." The handwritten notes are sort of the receipt for the items.
Now this tells us that the first finds were not found by archeologists during a dig; they were found by G. Johansson while he was breaking land to make a garden, probably some sort of kitchen garden next to his fields at the farm, which may at the time have been called Broa (still think we should keep Broe since it can be found on maps and the name can also be misheard by the author of the notes). The farmer had collected the things and sold the 83 items to the visiting note writer for SEK 45. In 1904, SEK 45 was the equivalent of SEK 2665 today according to this. Some other sites have the value from around 2450-2700, but that site is hosted by an economics professor so I think it's rather accurate.
I can imagine the guy from the museum sitting there, probably at the kitchen table in the main house at the farm, drawing and describing the items in his journal with the farmer watching and waiting for the then rather substantial sum of money. :-) Although it is unclear how many years went by between the farmer finding the things and when they were bought by the museum. These days the farmers mostly come to the museum instead. --cart-Talk 17:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hello there, I decided to come back to Wikipedia, partly to (eventually) improve my old Gotland churches even more. I just wanted to pop by to say hi. I hope all is well with you. It was partly the fond memories of working with you that made me decide to come back. Stay well, Yakikaki (talk) 18:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Hi there back at you! :-) How nice to hear from you, I too remember a lot of good times during our cooperation. I'm very well, thank you. I happened to slip over to Commons to work on photos for a while and I got tangled up in Featured pictures there. I keep a constant eye on en-wiki and do the occasional edits. "Some day" I need to get organized again and finish all my Gotland articles. I'm easily sidetracked by new fun things. But I'm here so don't hesitate to call on me if there is something I can dabble in. All the best, good to have you back! cart-Talk 18:44, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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Just dropping by to see how you are getting on over there in Sweden
How goes the war? I hope you and yours are doing well. Ceannlann gorm (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi there, I 'm ok. For this virus war, I'm in exactly the right place. :) I can roam freely in the woods and by the fjords for miles and not meet another human being. A little bored from time to time, but that is all. How are you holding up? Thanks for dropping by! cart-Talk 18:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ok enough thanks. I'm on my own in the home place these days, so that simplifies things a bit. Our government is fouling up by the numbers though, unfortunately. Glad to hear you are doing alright! Ceannlann gorm (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- An our government is still debating how to best not get the population killed. <sigh!> If they could kill the virus with debates, we would all be safe right now. Be well! --cart-Talk 19:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- You too! Ceannlann gorm (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- An our government is still debating how to best not get the population killed. <sigh!> If they could kill the virus with debates, we would all be safe right now. Be well! --cart-Talk 19:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ok enough thanks. I'm on my own in the home place these days, so that simplifies things a bit. Our government is fouling up by the numbers though, unfortunately. Glad to hear you are doing alright! Ceannlann gorm (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
wm blair bruce footnote 10
I wonder, Mr. Carter, if you could add the author of the Giverny article, William H. Gerdts to the footnote. He is the authority on the subject. Thank you in advance, Joan Murray
- Hi Joan arden murray, I can see you've had a bumpy start here on WP. This is mostly due to your lack of knowledge of how things work here and you have started at the deep end. I will see if I can work in his name in a proper and neutral way in the reference. One of the most vital things about editing articles here is to keep things as factual and neutral as possible. Please try to familiarize yourself with how codes work by making smaller edits on articles and ask at the Teahouse when you get stuck, before you move on to bigger edits and writing articles. That way you will learn the WP ways and not upset other editors. We are patient with newcomers and we will assist, but only if you listen to advice and don't push your own agenda.
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- I have written and participated on several art-related articles, but the Bruce article is a bit special to me since I lived near Brucebo for some 25 years, visited the house often and I kind of absorbed some knowledge about him and his wife Carolina. Btw, it's not "Mr. Carter ", I'm a woman. All the best, cart-Talk 12:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
I shd have added your article is excellent and most enjoyable. I loved the photos of Brucebo. I am the author of Letters Home. They took me 9 years to transcribe. Sorry about editing incorrectly. I am trying to learn. I must say the Wikipedia volunteers are very very patient with me. joan murray Joan arden murray (talk) 13:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Joan arden murray: Don't worry, we've all been there in the beginning. Making mistakes galore. :-) The trick is to go forward slowly and take in the tips that are given to you. Thanks for your comment about the article. It was originally one large that included both Brucebo and Carolina, but it was split up to correspond better with articles on the subject(s) in other languages. You should write something about yourself on your user page, especially if you claim to have written books. Most newcomers here find it odd, but you should stay as far away as possible about articles on yourself or your work. This is so that the community can be on the lookout for conflict of interest or bias in articles. Naturally, we have no way of verifying that you are who you say you are. When you enter WP, you leave your previous titles and accomplishments at the door and become a new unknown editor.
- I have cleaned up the ref you added to Tom Hodgson. Take a look and see if you can learn something from what I did. Btw, leaving remarks like "added good reference" is not considered neutral language. You have to learn to not use emotionally charged words or language. You are welcome to my talk page if you need help from time to time; I usually try to guide newbies. --cart-Talk 13:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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thank you, so kind. joan murray Joan arden murray (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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I have read your message, Ms. Carter, and want to thank you, magnificent and so clear. Now I only have to remember everything! Joan arden murray (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, glad you liked it. You don't have to learn it by heart directly. :-) When I was new here, I had to constantly look at my talk page and use it as a notebook to check all the tips my mentors left me. Keeping that in mind, I will softly monitor your edits and nudge you in the right direction taking small steps at a leisurely pace. You have a lot of knowledge to contribute with and it would be a shame to lose that if the coding scared you off. That is too often the problem with scholars here, they have so much to write but soon give up because of the code-demanding environment. Keep at it, I think you will do very well! cart-Talk 13:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
The National Gallery of Canada library will have an artist`s info form signed by Brownell and I have asked it to check his name and supply the correct form. Regards! Joan arden murray (talk) 13:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I got your lesson on fn and am studying it. i will have to use it for the birthplace of Florence Helena McGillivray which i had to change following W. C. Allen , SHE IS ONE OF THE BEST. i will try later!Joan arden murray (talk) 16:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Joan arden murray: I saw that you had changed the birthplace of Florence Helena McGillivray. When you do something like that, you have to make sure the link is correct. That is that the double square brackets are in the right place otherwise it will not link with the article. You had written Township of Pickering, Ontario and you see that the link is red. That means it is something wrong with it, probably the spelling or the order of the words. You have look up the article you want to link to and make sure you have the spelling between the brackets in the text you are writing is exactly the same as the place you want to link to. I searched for the right article and have now corrected the link to: Township of Pickering, Ontario. The link for the name is blue. cart-Talk 16:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I see. thank youJoan arden murray (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
jean paul lemieux
did it! and thanks on the Morris. I didn`t know what to do!Joan arden murray (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Joan arden murray: Great, now readers will at least have some idea about his work. Thanks! You might want to see if you can fix that representational link properly. Click on it and see where you end up. It's about the same problem as with the administrator we have used in other articles. The code for that will tell you how to fix this one. Yes, I'm
hopelessterrible, forcing you to learn something every day.
If you fail, I'll fix it later. cart-Talk 16:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- I DID SOMETHING, DON`T KNOW IF IT`S RIGHT.Joan arden murray (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Joan arden murray:Well you did think right but in the wrong order and you also made it too hard for yourself. Take a look at where Representational links. On that page a bit down under the heading 'Arts, entertainment, and media', you find Representation (arts) and that seems to fit this article. When you come to these disambiguation pages, the right article is usually listed on that very page and you don't need to overthink it. I've fixed the link in the article. --cart-Talk 18:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- I DID SOMETHING, DON`T KNOW IF IT`S RIGHT.Joan arden murray (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
- Fascinating. Think I`m learning! thanks!Joan arden murray (talk) 22:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
kim ondaatje
Thanks!Joan arden murray (talk) 13:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Joan arden murray: No problem. It's good that you have learned how to make sections, but I guessed you didn't quite know how to make subsections. For each main heading, the code produces a line across the page and it can be irritating to read an article with too many of those. Btw, if you want to have a look at how good articles about artists are built, take a look at two articles I have written: John Bauer (illustrator) and Einar Jolin. Both have been reviewed by the Wiki community and been promoted to Good article status (a small green mark in the upper right of the page) and they are on subjects you might be familiar with. The highest level for an article is Featured article (these have a gold star in the upper corner), I have not written any such yet, really difficult(!), and usually reserved for artists with a lot of literature and online material such as El Greco. --cart-Talk 13:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- will lk. tomorrow, must go away for a while. grandchildren coming in. great excitement.Joan arden murray (talk) 14:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- you entry on Bauer is a marvel. you really got into it. I wd have given you a gold star!Joan arden murray (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- your Einar Jolin a lesson in how good articles shd be written! thank you for telling me about it!Joan arden murray (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
john lyman
I wonder if this article shd be linked to your article on john bauer or vice versa? another question: in the article on mcmichael canadian art collection, this info box lks odd. i have never seen another like it. shd staff be mentioned? is that good code?Joan arden murray (talk) 11:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Joan arden murray: Hi, I'm at work now with no time to look at this. I'll get back to this and you as soon as I can, it may take a while. --cart-Talk 11:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- Okay!Joan arden murray (talk) 12:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Good bye
I`ve been blocked by some wikipedia person from wikipedia because he or she thinks I`m using an imitation name, that is, one not my own. It is hard to explain my ignorance. I simply didn`t know to use a made-up name.
I have read the section on Real names and written wikipedia about the problem. But perhaps this is a good time to stop wikipedia. I believed I was helping. At any rate, I would like to thank you. Your help brightened my days and as you realize, in these times, that counts for a great deal.
I hope you are well.
Sincerely,Joan arden murray (talk) 12:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, I can't see any evidence of you being blocked. When did the block occur? On what page? Blocks can only be performed by Administrators, perhaps that person realized their mistake and simply removed all evidence of the block along with the block itself. As far as I can see, you are free to edit. If you can edit anything other than your own page and talk page, you are not blocked. You wouldn't be able to leave this message to me if you were blocked. Please continue to edit if you like! You don't need to change your name here on Wikipedia, if some new trouble should occur because of it, you can just point to this incident and the records of it. Even if we normal users can't see the removed conversation about the block, the Admins can. Like I said, nothing is ever lost here. --cart-Talk 13:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- It`s a black dinosaur shape on gooogle and blocks all wikipedia artcles, except for mine. Why would google block me? I looked further. It`s a black turtle shape on top on google and when I click on it, I am at https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&ictx=2&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1n7yto97pAhUFTN8KHU-HBNQQPQgH I don`t know why it is there. I don`t have a google account. Joan arden murray (talk) 14:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- It`s put there by Google and I can`t remove it. I will have to get someone to help me who can do computer and that will take time as we are still not allowed out of the house, or anyone to come in. I see you are taking private time and I am sorry I bothered you.Joan arden murray (talk) 14:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, if you see a dinosaur on your computer screen that usually when your computer network is having trouble connecting with the server hosting certain sites. The dinosaur is used in a humorous way to indicate that you are "Back to the pre-internet times". In your case that seems to be Wikipedia and Google. The turtle can show up if your internet connection is slow, like "turtle slow". Both things happen to me too once in a while. The reason you can see your articles, is that they are still in your computer's memory. I suggest you turn off first your computer and then your modem, wait some ten minutes and then turn on first the modem, wait a couple of minutes to give it time to start and then turn on your computer again.
- Sometimes these problems can persist for a day or so if the Wikipedia or your network host is doing some maintenance. They tend to do that during weekends and nights when traffic is slow and they don't anger too many companies and their work. Anyway, the problem doesn't sounds like it is WP-related or it suddenly happened, very untimely, at the same time someone was questioning you choice of name. I can ask one of the Admins if they know something if the problems continue. --cart-Talk 14:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- You are so calming. I get into a tizzy over the computer. I will do what you say. Thank you. Here goes. Joan arden murray (talk) 14:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Fingers crossed! Also, Joan, you unfortunately experienced first-hand how the corona-stress is affecting me, so I chose not to have too much social interactions now. I'm prone to snapping at people when I get stressed, so not a good thing. That is why I've put up the sign about wiki-break. However, I will of course do as much as I can to help you with this problem. All the best, --cart-Talk 14:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- It worked! My caregiver, a young nurse, helped me. The turtle refers to a feature google wants everyone to see for a day. She says it will go away. But your lucid advice calmed me down. One thing more - you can snap at me anytime. It`s so much like being a museum director!(joke)Joan arden murray (talk) 15:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- That's great! I don't see a "turtle message" here so it is probably something for just Canada or North America. I'm very grateful you have forgiven me for my idiot behavior. I can imagine you have to be resilient, with a high stress threshold in such a job. Right now, I feel great. I'm back from my daily walk. One of the few perks of living in a small town in the middle of nowhere, is that you can move about freely even during times like these. I only met two other people, at a safe distance. It's a nice warm day and the air is scented with jasmine and lilacs. I store days like this in my memory for when it's dark and gloomy in late autumn. Be well, --cart-Talk 15:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Could you look at this article which is in my Draft? You really are the best judge of historical artists.Joan arden murray (talk) 13:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, I'm sorry, I'm very busy this week so I don't have time to check any articles. Perhaps you could ask at the Teahouse if there is an art-editor willing to help you. Or ask ThatMontrealIP, I thought you two were working together on and off now. cart-Talk 14:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand.Joan arden murray (talk) 14:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Catharine Mastin
I did an article in wikipedia on Catharine Mastin at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharine_Mastin
It is not on my computer, Can you change this? I`m sorry to bother you but you managed this in the Dulcie Foo Fat article and I hope you can do it again. Thank youJoan arden murray (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about that the article "is not on my computer". All I did before was to provide a link to Dulcie Foo Fat and I can surely do the same for Catharine Mastin. I get directed to the same article if I click on the link you provided above, and so should you. If you have trouble finding an article, the easiest way of getting to it is to put the name in the "Search Wikipedia"-box in the top right corner on your computer screen. Also, if you have recently moved an article to article space, you might need to refresh your computer's "memory" once in a while. You do that by pressing the F5 key on your computer keyboard a couple of times. Btw, on Catharine Mastin, you need to check the link you've made to 'Windsor' in that article.--cart-Talk 15:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. I will follow your advice.Joan arden murray (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Just want to add that now that you did it, the article has come up on my computer. Thank youJoan arden murray (talk) 17:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for the contact, dear teacher.Joan arden murray (talk) 13:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, you're welcome. :-) cart-Talk 13:58, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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Dear cart, I have mentioned my gratitude to you on my user page. Thank you for teaching me.Joan arden murray (talk) 00:30, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, thank you! That was very kind of you. :-) --cart-Talk 09:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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I want to say hope you are okay and to thank you again for your excellent job teaching me how to do wikipedia. I`ve started almost 50 articles now and edited quite a few, though all on Canadian art. Sometimes I read your instructions again; they make everything clear! Thank you!Joan arden murray (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Joan arden murray, how nice to hear that you have settled in so well here. It is great that you are filling the hole on Wikipedia that was Canadian art. I see that you are now a well-respected editor here and that warms me immensely! I'm very well thank you, things have settled down a bit since we last spoke and I'm not as stressed these days, still the special circumstances we live in now is keeping me very busy outside the Wikipedia project. I have some unfinished article projects and I hope I will eventually get the time to start editing again. It was nice of you to drop by and I wish all the best for the upcoming holidays! --cart-Talk 19:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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idk if you're here right now, but thanks for making that userbox tutorial, really helped me out!! keep up the great work and have an amazing 2021
it's called Kosovo, not Serbia KikuJones talk page 06:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)