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Copyvio help
Sphilbrick, could you help with this? https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/tourettes-syndrome/ has lifted two sentences from Tourette syndrome, going back at least to 2012. The text has been in our article since at least 2006:[1] A supportive environment and family generally gives those with Tourette's the skills to manage the disorder. People with Tourette's may learn to camouflage socially inappropriate tics or to channel the energy of their tics into a functional endeavor.
I called the number on their website and got nowhere. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:08, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I got a form from them, but have no intention of personally engaging with them:
- https://www.uslegalforms.com/dmca/ Please mail it to: U.S. Legal Forms, P.O. Box 321398, Jackson, MS 39232
- SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, I just got home I will look into it shortly. S Philbrick(Talk) 20:39, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- PS, the "please mail it to" words came from them; I wasn't asking you to do that, just not sure who does. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, I just got home I will look into it shortly. S Philbrick(Talk) 20:39, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, I'm starting my own investigation so I can become comfortable I know what's going on. While I need to do a little more, it appears the current wording in the Wikipedia article developed organically (with you as a principal contributor) which is one of the strong signs that we didn't lift it from someone else.
- I see that you documented that it was on their site as early as 2012, but that of course, doesn't preclude the possibility that they had the wording earlier. I'm assuming you didn't take any further steps to confirm when their wording first appeared.
- I looked briefly at the DMCA Notice. I'm not thrilled about jumping to that step. I prefer to have a collegial discussion with them, explaining why we think they borrowed from Wikipedia and seeing how they react. This type of form seems like the one you would file after such a discussion that went nowhere. I see you tried to contact them, I may try as well. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, I would like to coordinate with legal. My vague recollection is that the copyright is owned by the editors, not the Foundation, so they may decline to take this on, but I think it's polite to give them a heads up if this is pursued. Is there any reason you think that should not be done? S Philbrick(Talk) 21:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I feel like it's not worth it for two sentences, but it shows up on Earwig, which bothers me. I can't make Wikiblame work; are you able to show me when that text first appeared, and who added it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, yes, to your second question, but give me some time, and I'll put something together. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I feel like it's not worth it for two sentences, but it shows up on Earwig, which bothers me. I can't make Wikiblame work; are you able to show me when that text first appeared, and who added it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Do you know what WikiDoc is, and why they can do this? They have lifted huge portions of TS, and then added on inaccurate information. That's worse than the above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like they imported this revision from December 2007 (which, of course, they are allowed to do) and then did a bit of editing in 2008 and a bit in 2014. About wikidoc. We have a bit on them: List_of_medical_wikis#WikiDoc which gives their Alexa ranking as 390,674 which I expect means they get about 4 visits a month from genuine visitors and according to Alexa most of their visitors are interested in caprini score (we don't have an article on that), cori cycle and foreskin coverage index (I daren't look). I wouldn't stress about it. (Sorry for the page invasion, Sphilbrick). Yomanganitalk 00:16, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- But what is really irritating is that it looks like they create a SandyGeorgia account, to make it look like I edit there. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- I guess that's their way of giving attribution. It is probably lucky to get a view a week and about 0.0% (rounded) of those will be checking the history. Plus, if you do click on your name it says "User account "SandyGeorgia" is not registered" Yomanganitalk 00:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- They are jerks. That's all :) :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:42, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- I guess that's their way of giving attribution. It is probably lucky to get a view a week and about 0.0% (rounded) of those will be checking the history. Plus, if you do click on your name it says "User account "SandyGeorgia" is not registered" Yomanganitalk 00:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- But what is really irritating is that it looks like they create a SandyGeorgia account, to make it look like I edit there. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia I'm putting something together, it can be found here:
User:Sphilbrick/TS_copyright_issue (I also mirrored here)
The last entry, at present, item number five, is the current version of the article (used a permanent link in case things change). The text column includes the relevant to sentences.
The next-to-last entry, at present, item number four, is the version of the article identified by you SandyGeorgia The text at that point is similar to but not exactly identical to the current version.
I then started working backwards in time, picking a keyword in the sentences, and searching for the edit in which that word first appeared.
I conclude a couple things so far:
- SandyGeorgia played a role in the development of the two sentences.
- Other editors at least IP editors, were involved in earlier versions of these two sentences
- The current phrasing appears to have developed organically — in other words it didn't all appear at one time which would be the case if Wikipedia editors had copied it from another source --S Philbrick(Talk) 01:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
| Item | Date | Editor | Link to diff or version | Key word | Text |
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| 1 | 20:54, 12 December 2005 | 12.105.167.235 | Link | advantage | A third to half a lifetime of living with TS generally gives one survival skills to manage the disorder. The great majority of persons with Tourette's syndrome have learned to cover-up the more socially inappopriate tics; or use them to their advantage - such as in the case of musicians. |
| 2 | 14:29, 14 January 2006 | 205.188.116.134 | Link | supportive | Living with TS, with a supportive environment and family, generally gives one survival skills to manage the disorder. Many persons with Tourette's syndrome have learned to cover-up the more socially inappopriate tics; or use them to their advantage - such as in the case of musicians. |
| 3 | 18:40, 4 February 2006 | SandyGeorgia | Link | camouflage | Living with TS, with a supportive environment and family, generally gives one skills to manage the disorder. Many persons with Tourette's syndrome learn to cover or camouflage socially inappropriate tics or use them to their advantage - such as in the case of musicians. Some drummers, in particular, have found that tics give them a certain 'flair' or 'special sound' to their drumming. |
| 4 | 21:52, 23 March 2006 | NA | Link | NA | A supportive environment and family generally gives one skills to manage the disorder. Persons with Tourette's syndrome may learn to camouflage socially inappropriate tics or channel the energy of their tics into some other endeavor, to their advantage. |
| 5 | Current (17 January 2020) | NA | Link | NA | A supportive environment and family generally gives those with Tourette's the skills to manage the disorder. People with Tourette's may learn to camouflage socially inappropriate tics or to channel the energy of their tics into a functional endeavor. |
| 6 | Current (17 January 2020) | LINK to USLegal.com | A supportive environment and family generally gives those with Tourette's the skills to manage the disorder. People with Tourette's may learn to camouflage socially inappropriate tics or to channel the energy of their tics into a functional endeavor. |
- So, what next? When I called the phone number, I got a person who couldn't do anything and couldn't direct me anywhere, and sent me the form. I suppose two sentences is not worth worrying about. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, One thing that's next is me getting my mind right. In partial defense, I've been traveling all day, and I'm now struggling to catch up with email, but I wanted to look into this as soon as I could. When I first read it, I thought you were suggesting that some official organization associated with TS picked up words from Wikipedia, which I was finding it hard to comprehend. That's not your fault, that's mine, but it just sunk in that it is some legal organization. That's at least plausible that the too lazy to craft their own wording or get permission from an official organization for wording and instead decided to borrow from Wikipedia. I suspect it happens a lot.
- I'm not yet ready to let it go. However, I'll have to wait till Monday, normal working hours to attempt to call them myself and see what happens. I will do that and let you know. S Philbrick(Talk) 01:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not to worry; I don't want you to knock yourself out over two sentences. I'm glad to just have a record that it wasn't us :) :) Of course, it is bothersome that people pretending to be some sort of "legal" something would do this. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, I added some documentation to the article talk page: Talk:Tourette_syndrome#For_the_record_-_copyright_question. I suspect that pursuing this will be challenging; you want to do so and want some help I will help. However, I just signed on to help with the Dr. Blofeld CCI, which means we have to examine every one of his 606,000 edits for copyright problems. That's going to take a big chunk of my time. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for that; I think as long as it is documented, we can not bother with pursuing a problem of two sentences. I may look through the legal website to see if there is more of same, in which case it might be worth pursuing, and I'll let you know. (I tried to get folks over at WT:FAC to help with Blofeld, but my efforts were futile.) Thanks again for all your effort! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- SandyGeorgia, I added some documentation to the article talk page: Talk:Tourette_syndrome#For_the_record_-_copyright_question. I suspect that pursuing this will be challenging; you want to do so and want some help I will help. However, I just signed on to help with the Dr. Blofeld CCI, which means we have to examine every one of his 606,000 edits for copyright problems. That's going to take a big chunk of my time. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not to worry; I don't want you to knock yourself out over two sentences. I'm glad to just have a record that it wasn't us :) :) Of course, it is bothersome that people pretending to be some sort of "legal" something would do this. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
supposed academic sources
See this piece in Wired on this subject of so called academic RS. [2] Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Jtbobwaysf, very interesting, thanks. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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- GSS, Handled, I think S Philbrick(Talk) 16:50, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
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World Migration Report
Hi Sphilbrick,
I would just like to ask why you removed the Chapter section from the World Migration Report page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Migration_Report)?
The information was sourced (albeit in a subsequent edit that followed). I also work in the team that produced the report and so would hope copyright is not the issue.
Would you also be able to let me know what I have to change in order for my post to remain on the page?
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by IOMbb (talk • contribs) 15:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- IOMbb, We do require sourcing, but sourcing information does not cure the copyright violation. The source material clearly states "all rights reserved…".
- If the organization would like to provide a free license for the material, there is more information about how to do so here: Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials.
- Please note that the copyright appears to be held by the organization, not the authors of the text, so the licensing agreement must come from the organization. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sphilbrick,
I've re-added the Chapter section, but have adapted it into my own words so as to avoid copyright issues. Please let me know if there are any changes you would like me to make.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by IOMbb (talk • contribs) 10:31, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- IOMbb, Thanks for doing that. I don't see it at Copy Patrol, so I assume it is fine. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:26, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Yeshiva revert
Hi Sphilbrick. Please allow me to see the reverted text Yeshiva#Contemporary_Orthodox_yeshivas, so that I can substitute the Britannica references with others. (I really don't feel like rewriting all that material...) [My apologies for initially writing this message on your user page.] Thanks Fintor (talk) 13:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Fintor, I emailed all the intervening edit text to you S Philbrick(Talk) 18:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks 😀 - appreciate it.
Zowe copyright issue with source you used
Hi Phil, Ref article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Mainframe_Project
The source you referred to uses the same exact source I referred to when editing the article. http://www.neodbug.org/newsletters/201909newsletter.pdf you'll see on this newsletter: "From the website zowe.org comes" this definition... The same definition I used.
Please revert if possible or lmk if there are any other issues.
Atdonner (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Atdonner, The exact source isn't really the issue, Unless one happens to be subject to copyright and the other has an acceptable license. However this site Very clearly is marked as full copyright. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for that information. So is the information I added to that article, despite referencing zowe.org, infringing on a copyright issue? Is there anything else I need to consider if I'm trying to update this specific article?
Thank you. Atdonner (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Atdonner,
- I've noticed several instances recently where editors seem to think that using material from a copyrighted site is okay if it is referenced. That's not the case. Whenever you add something to the article that comes from one of the site, you should reference it, but you should also write it in your own words in most cases. Exceptions include brief quotes, and material that is appropriately licensed, although even then, the text might not be written in an encyclopedic tone.
- Asking what else you need to consider is a very broad subject. This link will touch on other issues Help:Your first article (I understand you aren't starting a new article from scratch but it does include some useful advice.) S Philbrick(Talk) 22:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Roger that, thanks Phil.
129.41.87.1 (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hello Sphilbrick, you reverted much work on the page citing a Copyright issue re: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/ciam-discourse-urbanism-1928-1960 , I read your: "Copy Within Wikipedia If you added material to an article which came from an existing article in Wikipedia, it is highly likely that this will be flagged as a potential copyright violation in our CopyPatrol software." and I thought I coped correctly (see page's Talk Page "Copy_5" documenting
I agree this is very confusing and I don't know why.
Let's try small steps: Can you click on this edit? Do you see that?:
Please let me know if you disagree with any of those observations.S Philbrick(Talk) 20:17, 4 February 2020 (UTC) Yes, I agree, that however is a note further explaining what CIAM is; the actual copy of CIAM was made and attributed on Jan 21. See? ovA_165443 (talk) 20:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Ok, but I don’t understand what the problem is!? Can you be explicit. ovA_165443 (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I see now, In a few hours I can provide a reference, not at my computer now, ok! ovA_165443 (talk) 21:17, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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Cassius Dio, Helius (freedman), copyright issue
Hello Sphilbrick
I created the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Helius_(freedman)
You reverted excerpts from the Roman writer Cassius Dio due to alleged copyright issue. All works by Cassius Dio is public domain. Furthermore, the source site: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/63*.html states that the text i public domain. There is no copyright issue. I would prefer you to check this before reverting my additions. Please correct my article and instead improve it further.
Raven_rs :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raven rs (talk • contribs) 22:29, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Raven rs: Sorry, missed that. Licenses are usually on the bottom of the page. --S Philbrick(Talk) 23:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Shred Nations
Hello, I am a new user. I was thinking of creating a page called Draft:Shred Nations but it seems that you deleted a page with this name in 2016. Does this mean there is some other procedure that must be followed? Hanjaf1 (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Hanjaf1:The good news is that there is not limitation on the title (sometimes there is, but not this time) so can create that draft. The bad news is that starting a new article is challenging for editors with no experience, so you would be better off learning to edit by making small improvements to existing articles, but that’s your call.S Philbrick(Talk) 15:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Just emailed you to ask that you undo your removal of my edits to the page for Newlyn Art Gallery.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newlyn_Art_Gallery I work for the gallery and updated the page with text we've used on our website. PLease would you reinstate it. Also, the images I added yesterday have been removed. Please would you put them back. The photo that was there (I removed it) is way out of date.
PLease let me edit this page myself!
Thanks Kathy
- @Kathynewlyn: There are two problems. Given your connection to the gallery, you have a Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest and should not be directly editing the article. You are encouraged to post suggestions for improvement on the talk page. Second, the text you copied is subject to full copyright and use of that text, without arranging for an acceptable license, is a violation of our copyright policy.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I would really like to update the information on the page, to refelct the work the gallery is doing now, and add some more recent photographs. I don't understand why my images have been removed. Also, the text is used is accurate. Please woudl you revery to the updates I made this morning and reinstate the ohotogrpahs of the gallery. Thank you. Kathy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathynewlyn (talk • contribs) 14:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- I see someone else restored the image to the article. I note it has some problems, but someone has contacted you about the problem. link to photoS Philbrick(Talk) 15:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
