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December 2012

Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle

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Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited

Seattle Public Library

Date Saturday, December 8, 2012 Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m. Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104 Event An editathon on Seattle-related Wikipedia articles with Wikipedia tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand. Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki. Registration http://wll-seattle.eventbrite.com or use on-wiki regsistration. Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 03:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:MMA Invite

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 – I'm not an MMA topic editor; I cleaned up style and grammar in a few MMA articles, but that was coincidental.

Thanks for helping to make MMA articles on Wikipedia better! In November 97 people made a total of 899 edits to MMA articles. I noticed you haven't listed yourself on the WikiProject Mixed martial arts Participants page. Take a look, sign up, and don't forget to say hi on the talk page. Kevlar (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force

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GOCE November drive wrap-up

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Guild of Copy Editors November 2012 backlog elimination drive wrap-up Participation: Thanks to all who participated! Out of 38 people who signed up this drive, 33 copy-edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. All the barnstars have now been distributed. Progress report: We achieved our primary goal of clearing November and December 2011 from the backlog. For the first time since the drives began, the backlog consists only of articles tagged in the current year. The total backlog at the end of the month was 2690 articles, down from 8323 when we started out over two years ago. We completed all 56 requests outstanding before November 2012 as well as eight of those made in November. Copy Edit of the Month: Voting is now over for the October 2012 competition, and prizes have been issued. The November 2012 contest is closed for submissions and open for voting. The December 2012 contest is now open for submissions. Everyone is welcome to submit entries and to vote. Coodinator election: The six-month term for our fourth tranche of Guild coordinators will expire at the end of December. Nominations are open for the fifth tranche of coordinators, who will serve from 1 January to 30 June 2013. For complete information, please have a look at the election page. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. (UTC)

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The WikiProject: Good Articles Newsletter (December 2012)

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The WikiProject Good articles Newsletter Volume III, No. 3 – December 2012 For past newsletters click here In This Issue Featured editorial: "Drive-By Reviews": A Retrospective About Reviews During Backlog Drives Project News: A backlog elimination drive is being held now at GAN. Good Articles of the Month: Our picks for November, 150+ promotions. GA Task Forces: Results from the Backlog Elimination RfC Member News: 227 members of WikiProject Good Articles and counting Read this newsletter Single-page Unsubscribe

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment

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Template:Tq

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Hi, SMcCandlish, thank you for creating Template:Tq. Very convenient! Bishonen | talk 19:59, 6 December 2012 (UTC).

You're most welcome. :-) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 01:57, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates

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Cite4Wiki fails in Firefox 17

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 – Haven't found someone to take over or at least help with the code and make it work again.

Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia talk:Cite4Wiki's talk page. Message added 23:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC). E8 (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Summary: Nothing I can do about the problem reported there, alas. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 17:04, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I probably can't help (never worked on an add-on) but I'm willing to have a look if you can let me into the project. Jojalozzo 17:33, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not on SourceForge or anything; there's no repository. There SHOULD be one. For now, you just need to download the add-on and unzip it. :-) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 23:58, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

On Template:para/doc

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Hi, SMcCandlish. In this edit of {{para/doc}}, you added a link to species:template:para, saying "it's for update propagation." But 1. does this link really enable propagation, by bots or something automatic? 2. It is visible in {{para}} page itself. Could you fix it? Thanks in advance. --Ahora (talk) 12:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 16:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

GOCE mid-December newsletter

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End of Year Events from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in its events: The December 2012 Copy Edit of the Month Contest is currently in the submissions stage. Submit your best December copy edit there before the end of the month. Submissions end, and discussion and voting begin, on January 1 at 00:00 (UTC). Voting is in progress for the November 2012 Copy Edit of the Month Contest. Everyone is welcome to vote, whether they have entered the contest or not. From Sunday 16 December to Saturday 22 December, we are holding a Project Blitz, in which we will copy edit articles tagged with {{copyedit}} from January 2012. The blitz works much like our bimonthly drives, but a bit simpler. Everyone is welcome to take part, and barnstars will be awarded. January 2013 Backlog elimination drive is a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on January 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on January 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goals are to copy edit all articles tagged in January, February, and March 2012 and complete all requests placed before the end of 2012. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits at least one article, and special awards will be given to the top five in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", "Number of articles of over 5,000 words", "Number of articles tagged in January, February, and March 2012", and "Longest article". We hope to see you there! Coodinator election: Nominations are open for candidates to serve as GOCE coordinators from 1 January to 30 June 2013. Nominations close on December 15 at 23:59 UTC, after which voting will run until the end of December. For complete information, please have a look at the election page. >>> Blitz sign-up <<<         >>> Drive sign-up <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/China-related articles

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 – No such RfC by the time I got there.

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Non-admin closure

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)

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Did you have any further thoughts on the changes implemented on your recommendations? Mkdw^talk 00:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes; I posted them. The charts thing is still problematic for two reasons (being in top 200 is not significant like top 20 is, and depending on country size and which chart, they charts are not comparable to each other, even if both are top 100 or whatever). — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 00:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Greetings!

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Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – is wishing you the season's greetings.
Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas,
Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus,
or the Saturnalia,
this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.

Thanks! You too! — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 00:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement this year. I like your signature.Cheers –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 00:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

It's the Terminator. I have a subpage around here somewhere with other face ASCIIart. I try to remember to use a different one each year, so I'll let the Terminator go pretty soon. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 22:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Cheers! Have a terrific day! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 09:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style

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RFC/U for Apteva: move to close

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I am notifying all participants in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Apteva that Dicklyon has moved to close the RFC/U, with a summary on the talkpage. Editors may now support or oppose the motion, or add comments:

• Link to the move to close

Please consider adding your signature, so that the matter can be resolved.

Best wishes,

Noetica^Tea? 03:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Done, but if it doesn't include "disruptive"/"disruption" I can't support a close motion. The entire basis of the RFC/U is WP:DE. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 01:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Category:Glossaries of medical terms

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Category:Glossaries of medical terms, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 21:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Category talk:Hungarian communities in Vojvodina

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons

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A cup of coffee for you!

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 – Cite4Wiki has been fixed.

I love Cite4Wiki and have used it hundreds of times. I would like for it to be better developed. I am not a developer and am not sure how I could help, but the tool has been very valuable to me and I am not sure how I could replace it if it were gone. Thoughts? Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I've asked WP:Signpost to run an ad, seeking FF17-experienced developers. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 20:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

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Circa

This edit explains how to write "ca.", which is still discouraged at MOS:#Abbreviations, WP:YEAR, WP:SMOS#Abbreviations, and maybe MOS:DOB, and after you must have read my complaint and ordeal at WT:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Circa. Either allow "ca." or don't allow "ca.", I don't care which, but do it consistently. Art LaPella (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a good WP:RFC. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 17:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

It's been hard to get opinions on circa in the past. Anyway, can I undo that edit, until when and if someone wants to edit the other guidelines to match? If we leave it there indefinitely, nobody will notice except me. Art LaPella (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't care; this will have to be dealt with in an RfC anyway. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 20:44, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Done (now I don't need to wonder if the RfC will ever be acted on :) ) Art LaPella (talk) 21:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Cite4Wiki

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Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions's talk page.

Mainly, I would just like a URL for the latest version of the code (ideally in a repository). Superm401 - Talk 21:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Adminship

Also, on a completely separate note, have you recently thought about adminship? Mkdw^talk 00:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Not really. I think I'm too outspoken for a lot of people. I think it's been 2 years or so since I went to RfA. Maybe even 3, I don't really remember. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 00:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

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The help on WP:COPYEDIT is much appreciated. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 21:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 00:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Oaklawn Farm Zoo

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 – Just a chat. I made a proposal at W:MOS based on it.

I guess I'm more looking for advice here than anything. You undid the expandable animal list in this article. The original reasoning for this technique was to avoid having a list that completely dominates the article, which is supposed to be an article, not a list. Several other techniques have been used by various editors, including just deleting the list and creating a separate list article. Where someone has had the time, the lists have been shortened to just the "notable" animals and turned into part of the narrative (which I consider the best solution because these lists are almost never sourced and are often modified someone who says "I saw X at the zoo"). In any case, long lists are discouraged as is hidden content. If you have any more insight on the best way to handle such lists let me know. There are a lot of articles that I have handled in this manner so that they look more like articles than lists, and I don't really have the short term time to go convert all of them to narrative even if I consider that the long term ideal. Thank you. Don Lammers (talk) 15:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times at WT:MOS and elsewhere, and the consensus has always clearly been to not hide content from readers. There is not particular Wikipedia principle that an article cannot be dominated by a list if and when a list is the best format to use to present the information. The usual solutions to this when the domination is seen as problematic are to expand the regular prose in the article, and/or move the list into a stand-alone list if a split seems warranted, e.g. per the "summary style" guideline. The other obvious solution is the one you mention – convert the list into prose. For a case like this, that sounds like the best option. The list as a list doesn't serve much purpose, and you're right of course that people will be tempted to add "what I saw today" to it, without sources and just from memory (this probably accounts for some of the entries being bogus). At any rate, long lists are somewhat discouraged, but hiding content in articles is essentially forbidden. WP:MOS#Scrolling lists and collapsible content says this should not even be done to collapse long references sections, much less real article content, not even plot spoilers. It's permissible in infoboxes and other tables, if and when the information is already presented in the prose. It's also permitted in some weird cases like chess problems (though a case can easily be made that this violates the prohibition against collapsing spoilers). NB: I know MOS is a guideline; I use terms like "permitted" and "forbidden" as shorthand, and am well aware that WP:IAR is policy. Not being entirely satisfied with the prose-to-list ratio in an article doesn't seem to be an IAR-level concern, though. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 20:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I generally try not to tangle with MoS (though I can hardly claim to have read the millions of words that have been dedicated to it). I originally started using hidden lists because someone was deleting lists entirely based on the arguments above, and quite frankly, it takes a lot more time to convert to prose than delete a list -- so basically trying to save information. I guess I will just have to figure a way to deal with it. Don Lammers (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Try an external text editor with good search/replace functionality. It took me under 3 min. to fix Detroit Zoo#Animals, including de-capitalization of common names. That said, a strong argument can actually be made for simply deleting these animals-in-the-zoo lists, since they will almost never be complete except for the tiniest small-town municipal zoo (e.g. that in Clovis, New Mexico, which you can see in its entirety in under one hour), prone to bogus additions, perpetually outdated, and of questionable encyclopedic use. A list of rare animals would probably be useful (e.g. it was very notable at the time that the San Francisco California Academy of Science natural history museum and aquarium had one of the only (if not the only) endangered Chinese giant salamanders outside of Asia, until it died ca. 2002 – it was the only chance for many people to ever see one. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 21:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

You may also be interested in WT:Manual of Style#Clarification to "Scrolling lists and collapsible content". — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 21:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

My own preference is to not include such lists at all (for all the reasons you mention above), but to include descriptive text about the exhibits which (almost always) includes at least the more important animals without getting into a big unmanageable list. I have not always been successful in arguing this with fans of individual zoos who can recite the current animal list from memory. I thought making the list expandable would satisfy both sides of the argument (the fans could create their list, but it wouldn't be "in your face"), but since this is highly frowned upon, I will stop doing it. Don Lammers (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I have the same preference, but don't want to get into arguments right now on zoo article talk pages. Heh. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 01:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga

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Talkback

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 – Responded at that page. Twice.

Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style's talk page. Message added 23:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style's talk page. Message added 00:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC).

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I watch that page, and don't need talkbacks about it. :-) — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 02:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)