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Welcome!

Hello, Pahari Sahib, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Re:Re:Welcome

You are always welcome :) Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Murree article copyedit

hey, i'm working on a massive copyedit for this article, which is why the WPLoC template is in the Talk:Murree page. please make it a habit to check the talk page before making an edit, as it may conflict with edits that are being made or with previously discussed issues. if you have existing knowledge on murree and would like to collaborate, though, i'd welcome the help. Imfa11ingup 03:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Checking Talk Pages

Okay ;-) .... but it would help if there was an update added to the bottom of the article, advising not to edit, I always scroll down to the bottom of talk pages - to see what the latest update is. Anyway good to see someone is trying to sort the article out, I had a bash at it every now and again but nothing substantial.

Pahari Sahib 03:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• good idea on the making a note bit. i'll suggest that as a standard, and i'll let you know when i'm done hacking at it if you'd like to give it another read at that point.

Imfa11ingup 03:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Miranjani Map

Pahari Sahib, you have attached a vague map of district Abbottabad to Miranjani article and Miranjani is absent from the map. It is irrelevent to the article. It is therefore deleted. If you can make a bigger and detailed map directly related to Miranjani, that can enhance the information.
Khalid Mahmood

Karachi Division

Why did you undo the redirect? Karachi Division and Karachi District are one and the same. Any information you want to include about the old District can be incorporated in the Karachi article, including whatever templates you want to add. --Polaron | Talk 01:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Note the actual "Divisions of Pakistan" template has since been amended to reflect this

Pahari Sahib

request for comment

[1]-Vmrgrsergr 21:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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Image source problem with Image:Gama1916.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Great Gama

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Original message from STBotI

Note the original description contained the relevant public domain tags, however further information has since been added. (Further note - I'm not actually a wrestling fan).

Pahari Sahib, 14:49, 14 October 2007 (GMT)

KCR

Someone has posted a rough sketch at Indian Railways Fans Club (www.irfca.org).

http://www.irfca.org/docs/maps/kcr-master.html

I've refered this plus some more details to make the map. Please modiy it suitably, if you know the KCR better :)

Pratheepps 12:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

My reply

FYI

I saw you added some Guantanamo captives to the article Afghan refugees. As I edit those article I check to see if they should link there. There are about 200 Guantanamo captives who are from Afghanistan. Something like half of them are refugees, or former refugees.

Have you considered creating a category Category:Afghan refugees?

There are a couple of wikipedia volunteers, from that area, who argued that "Afghan" should not be used as a synonym for a citizen of Afghanistan. They asserted that "Afghan" really only applied to people from the Pashtun ehni group. They argued that many o the used of Afghan should be replaced by "Afghanistani".

I found their arguments convicing. So I supported their efforts when they tried to change the names of some things. As I recall one or both of them tried to replace Category:Afghan politicians to Category:Politicians of Afghanistan.

Are you from that area? If so, do you think they had a valid argument? If you like I can go through my contrubtion history and look up their wiki-ids.

Cheers! Geo Swan 13:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

My reply

Pahari Sahib ,14:06, 16 October 2007 (GMT)

Faisalabad

Greetings

So, you are not from Afghanistan, but you have some familiarity with the area?

Are you familiar with Faisalabad?

I started, and have made contributions to, Salafi University and al Qaeda guest house, Faisalabad.

Salafi University is a very small institution -- a few hundred students. If the testimony of the Guantanamo captives is to be believed sponsors cover all the costs of running the institution, even paying for the student's tuition, room and board. Which is kind of remarkable. And if the captive's testimony is to be believed, and it was correctly translated, and I understood it properly, some of the students were almost illiterate.

Do you khow anything of higher education in smaller institutions in Pakistan?

Do you know if Faisalabad is in the Pashtun area of Pakistan?

I hope you don't mind me trying to pick your brains.

Cheers! Geo Swan 19:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

My reply 17 October 2007

I hope you don't mind...

I hope you don't mind, but I would like to go to wikipedia:requested moves, and request a move back to the original name. I saw you moved Wazir to Haji Wazir]. Usually titles aren't part of article names on the wikipedia.

The full official lists of Guantanamo names contains dozens of instances where they treated Haj, Mullah, Maulvani as if they were the men's given names. I thought it best to conform t,e wikipedia convention, and not repeat their mistake.

Cheers! Geo Swan 02:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

My Reply, 03:38 19 October 2007

Kala Dhaka

ASA! You have made some changes in Kala Dhaka, which looks good but those alterations would have been more glorious if you had focussed tribes living on eastern slopes of the Mountain aswell, as you have mentioned Yousazais, will you overlook Swati tribes? I have been contributing/editing to wikipedia for more than three years. I Hope you shall have been enjoying it also. Take great care! Haider 23:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reply! Certainly I would appreciate you for your credentials but don't forget the tribes residing on eastern slopes and suburbs of the kala dhaka. Take care auo khudai pa amaan. Haider 21:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan tourism

I removed your comments from the tourism in Pakistan page. Get your own website if you want to express crap opinions.

The above was an unsigned comment by User talk:ChorizoLasagna, I replied as follows

Dear Lasagna,

Please explain how you think this is vandalism.

Perhaps you confused my edit with this edit

Even if I had made that particular edit it does not warrant you placing insulting comments on my talk page.

Please see Wikipedia:Civility

Also please learn to sign your comments on talkpages.

Thank you
Pahari Sahib 17:18, 1 December 2007 (GMT)

Yes you need to link it on the wikimap but at present Basharat is located off the coast of Ghana. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Look will you please correct your coordinate map. It is incorrect. Please look at the wikimap by clicking the globe on your new articles - they show these places in Pakistan in the sea off the coast of west africa. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Rights all you need to do is add a | between 60 and E. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected it for you now . You;ll need to start an article on Arra. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thats better keep up the good work! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

One thing though can you add this in the talk pages of every article you create:{{WikiProject Pakistan|class=stub}} ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 19:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It's worth noting that I only made this mistake on two articles Basharat and Begal, the co-ordinates themselves were correct just a pipe was missing - I had been adding coordinates to articles for a while without issue for example Haripur and Haripur District going back to 18th Feb 2007.

Pahari Sahib 18:48, 22 December 2007 (GMT)

Speedy deletion of Abbakhel

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Toddst1 (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Note other users had contested this, and as a result the article has not been deleted.

Pahari Sahib 18:55, 22 December 2007 (GMT)

Speedy deletion of Toba Tek Singh (short story)

Twinkle is evil.

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Wisdom89 (talk) 05:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

My thoughts on this here Pahari Sahib 07:45, 22 December 2007 (GMT)

History of Multan

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For your seemingly endless hard work

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I award you this barnstar for your endless work on Pakistan-related topics. :) Green Giant (talk) 02:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome. :) Green Giant (talk) 12:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

90.196.190.207

Hi Pahari Sahib
do you also post under ip 90.196.190.207 ,was just checking the Multan page and thaught if this were possible ?? Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 16:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, My Reply

Hello again ...I was looking at the history of the Multan page and the deletions on preceding pages ....thats how I thought perhaps ....!! well we seem to be visiting and working on many similar pages related to the history of the Punjab ...cited contributions are better than deletions of cited content ....not every one on wikipedia believes so ...whats your take ?? Cheers and Happy new year !
Intothefire (talk) 16:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed that cited contributions are required

Editing your own contribution is not vandalism

Hi! What is your problem .You seem to take pleasure in vandalising in a conceited way.You edited my posts and labelled it vandalism, which were contributed by me.Please be careful ok. You can be suitably rewarded too.Ajjay (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Above comment made in error, this was my edit, someone else undid your subsequent edits and reverted to my version.

And what exactly do you mean by "suitably rewarded" is that some kind of threat?

Pahari Sahib 21:30, 6 January 2008 (GMT)

There seem to be a gross misunderstanding.The errors you see, were infact seen by me too a day earlier and i sent, pointing vandalism, messages to people working/ supporting Guru Nanak's article.But you see after the errors were removed, i added some teachings/ verses of Guru Nanak and lots of other content.But some one keeps on removing that and adding stupid content.For example his fathers name was wriiten as Methane Gas!I'm trying to improve the article.Your help will be much appreciated by me , if you do want to help.If you see any change and it is by me, please disscuss it with me before editing it.THANKSAjjay (talk) 03:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note re: British Pakistanis

Saw your reply, I'll bear that in mind for the future. :) Sorry for the intrusion. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Bias

Hey pahari sahib i think ghanadar galpa cant seem to face the fact anti india sentiment exsists primarily due to human rights abuses against muslims and can you do anything to stop his pro indian bias on articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.149.202 (talk) 10:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello

Sorry for not replying earlier, been busy, first of all have you thought of registering? I agree that animosity towards India exists primarily for this reason - but we need to it to be properly sourced.

Pahari Sahib 05:57, 20 January 2008 (GMT)

POV articles

Is it right to have articles titled Muslim population growth and Muslim population growth in India? Are not these article are anti-Islam POV-pushing? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 07:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

my reply

TfD nomination of Template:ISB-infobox

Template:ISB-infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 20:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Note: I had made some improvements to this template, but was indifferent to its fate. Pahari Sahib

Policy

Even if it's faux, you shouldn't put it, because a user like me was easily fooled. Some advice: make your userpage and user talkpage such that people like you after seeing it. Put pleasant and interesting things. That'll give a better image of you.Bless sins (talk) 03:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Apology

I am sorry you got caught up in the Indophobia mess with Gahanadar. I misinterpreted the situation, and upon deeper investigation, it does appears that other admins had found him to be a sockpuppet of a banned user. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. The multiple opposing edits between the two of you gave the appearance of an edit war that had been going on for some time; one that the people who have been editing the article had been warned about in the past. It is clear that you have nothing to do with that, and I am deeply sorry I confused the issue. Good luck, and happy editing. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

my reply

Re: your request

Apologies for the delay in replying -- I've been very busy, these past few days. If I understand the situation correctly, you've been able to pursue resolution through other people, but if you still wanted me to take a look at anything, I'd be happy to (if not necessarily prompt, unfortunately). Let me know if you need anything. – Luna Santin (talk) 18:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

my reply

Attock District

Mr Pahari could you please learn to respect others and other's views. You are not allowed to impose your personal likings on others. Please take some english language classes and try to have some knowledge of the place you are contributing.Please take this as positive criticism rather responding by personal attacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarkaar Saab (talk • contribs) 00:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Presumably you are referring to this or this, you are the one who is engaging in personal attacks.

Pahari Sahib (talk) 00:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Awan Page

Hi Pahari Sahib

lol lol lol :) your last revision on the Awan page has had me rolling last 15 minute ..
m (rv, third person in Talagang city to obtain a masters is not notable)...
IS HE SERIOUS ...MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET IT REMAIN ...LOL ??? Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

my reply

My talkpage

Thanks for reverting the anon who vandalised my talkpage. :) Green Giant (talk) 16:19, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

My reply

maan

http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D00702051%26ct%3D329%26rqs%3D98%26rqs%3D99%26rqs%3D107%26rqs%3D109%26rqs%3D115%26rqs%3D116 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.125.209.115 (talk) 13:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

My reply

Sorry: try this http://t i n yurl.com/29c7n6. please remove spaces between t i n —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.125.209.115 (talk) 14:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

user:Desione on Talk:British Raj

It's probably best not to feed Desione on Talk:British Raj, something I've only just realized myself. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

My reply

Mughal Empire

Concerning the recent reverts - I was simply returning the text that had been deleted by IP:200.7.48.202. Initially I inadvertantly reverted your first edit - which was correcting the incorrect citation on ip:200.7.48.202's new edit. I don't really know this subject but I think the text that I returned - which has been there for many weeks might be the correct text. I put it back, and then you deleted it. Check it out. I am not interested in an edit war but I think an expert on the subject - like yourself might want to read through the current text and the text that was deleted by IP:200.7.48.202. It seems to me that the deleted text just might be worth keeping. Thanks, Modernist (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Replies at Talk:Mughal Empire

Formatting

Salam! can you please see this page Assessment Archive, and check if the formatting done there is ok or not? and if there is anymore required! Thanks in Advance! --SMS ^Talk 16:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

My reply

Thanks! --SMS ^Talk 19:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Taliban or Mujahideen?

Perhaps you could explain why you prefer the latter name in this article? Eog1916 (talk) 22:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

my reply - (I haven't the faintest idea what Eog is referring to, have I stated a preference? where is this - a diff would be nice).

Dear Pahari, I do not hale from the Indian Sub-Continent, but am very interested in this part of the world and anxious to learn more about its peoples and history. I'm not an expert when it comes to editing in English Wikipedia but have always tried to use this media of expression in a proper manner. I would be grateful therefore if you could clear up some misunderstandings for me by answering the following;

• 1. explain where my English grammar failed me
• 2. tell me why the word 'mujahideen' is more correct to use than 'Taliban'
• 3. confirm that Baloch nationalist live within the state of Pakistan?
• 4. clarify whether or not the 'Baloch nationalist uprising' took place inside the borders of Pakistan
• 5.explain what you understand by the term 'Civil War'

Eog1916 (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

my reply

Reverts

Thanks for the note. Unfortunately, those articles were vandalized by User:Bnationalp and by that user's IP address; hence the complication when reverting. The user and the IP have been temporarily blocked; please let me know if you see more vandalism from either party. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 17:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for support/comment

Hello. I've been working on the Assassination of Benazir Bhutto article, which went through a peer review and is now listed as an FAC. I request you to kindly read the article and if you believe it meets the FAC critera, then make a comment in support of it's FA. If you find it is lacking, then a comment on how to improve it would be appreciated as well. Here is the FAC listing. Thanks --Zaindy87 (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

POV fork

Wikipedia is flooded with many POV fork articles. A discussion is going on about Islam and anti-Christian persecution. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 08:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi

remember me! i am here to ask for a little help! please check Islam and Sikhism‎. please help improve article and remove discrepencies. I think you contributed to Guru Nanak Dev. I know he is known as baba nanak or nanak shah in nankana, pak. The article is subject to heavy pov edits. Also was hazrat mian mir a sufi? whether Guru Nanakji is reverred by only sufis, or muslims as well (not in orthodox way)?. Apparantely, the trust managing the Janam asthan is a muslim family, which goes back to fourtheenth century, decendents of rai bular. Please try and do what you can. Thanks!!Ajjay (talk) 16:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Astore Valley

Can you please Check the page Choungrah i got a msg That the page meets deletion Criteria. and i also want to add the content. but cant, if you can help me please check that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sham2back (talk • contribs) 20:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Three-revert rule

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Islam and Sikhism. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Stifle (talk) 22:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

:Why don't you look up edit war, 3RR and actually look at the edits I have made. I made one revert ten hours ago - the first time I actually edited the page. The rest of my edits were just tidying it up, no-one apart from you and Utcursch have edited the page in the interim! Why have you not warned 90.196.3.244 - who appears to be the actual edit warrior here? Pahari Sahib 05:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawn. But please be civil in your messages to other users. Stifle (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

sham2back here

hey man how are you can you give me some introduction about you as i see you just updated Astore Valley i m from Astore, you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sham2back (talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Astore Valley

Choungrah have 4 UC's 2 are in Bari dar and 1 each in Majini Dar and Thokay Dar. also ill try to find some valid references for this.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sham2back (talk • contribs) 23:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Gojra

You had deleted two famous names from Gojra. One is a renowned lawyer and other is a famous youth leader of Punjab. And you have included a name who you think was the district nazim. Actually he was not. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.20.20.34 (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

How about some citations?