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Archive 46: September 2018

Draft of Experience + Innocence Tour

I thought you would like to know that I've submitted a draft of an article for the Experience + Innocence Tour. Hopefully, any concerns about notability that you had are addressed. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 21:49, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Deputy Chairman of the NATO Military Committee

You continue to delete the Deputy Chairman of the NATO Military page without cause. Why are you doing this? And no, the position does not fall under the Chairman, it's a separate position. If you continue to edit this page, I'll view it as malicious. You are not providing any substantive edits other than deliberately removing the Deputy Chairman page. Please justify your actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceMan0701 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

First, learn to sign your posts with 4 tildas, like this: ~~~~. Second, learn Wikipedia's notability criteria. That's the only criteria important. Add to that the fact that the article has been merged, and your actions might be considered vandalism. And when you come on someone's talk page, you really shouldn't threaten them. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Maury M. Cohen article conflates two "Maury Cohens"

Hi! I'm a relative newbie and I noticed some time ago that an article you created, "Maury M. Cohen," appears to pertain in part to my father and in part to a different Maury Cohen. I have requested help and received some direction from a senior contributor, but it appears that starting with a message to you, the article originator, may be appropriate. I was directed to post this on the talk page for the article, but I could not find a link to that page on the article page.

Please understand I do not expect you to rewrite the article to include the information below, which is of my personal knowledge. I'm providing it to show how the "Maury M. Cohen" article has information pertaining to a different Maury Cohen, and not my father. I need to gain further knowledge regarding requesting substantive corrections or requesting creation of a new page with Disambiguation.

My father was born Morris Cohen 5/27/1912 in Bakersfield, California, he was a writer-producer-director and member of Writers Guild of America West, and he WAS associate producer of "Damnation Alley" as you state in the article (I noticed in the editing history a relative of the OTHER Maury Cohen asked for removal of that reference).

My father was not affiliated with Poverty Row Studios or with Meglin Kiddies. That information must pertain to the other Maury Cohen. He did not produce a Spanish language film for United Artists. He did not work for RKO.

He also was not part of the antitrust suit against the major studios in 1940. His starting date of involvement in the business was later than 1932.

He did not open the Hollywood Palladium. That must have been the other Maury Cohen.

My father served in the U.S. Navy during WWII aboard the Fletcher class destroyer "Boyd."

My father co-authored the book "The Gentle Giants" with professor Geoffrey Bourne of the Yerkes Regional Primate Research Center at Emory University (Putnam, SBN399-11528-5, copyright 1975).

My father was working for Wayne Steffner Productions in the 1950s on such television shows as "You Asked For It" as producer. He also produced "The Ernie Kovacs Show."

My father was an adjunct professor at University of San Diego, teaching History of Film and Motion Picture Production Techniques.

The information at the end of the article concerning his spouse, his children, and his death DOES pertain to my father.

Please reply on my talk page. Thank you very much!

LandlockedSurfer (talk) 18:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Thomas & Friends (series 22)

Thomas & Friends (series 22) is a redirect. Some editors are edit warring there. Make sure it warrants article or there is consensus to write an article. Lorstaking (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Armaan Zorace

Hi, sorry to bother you. The draft above was submitted nearly 8 weeks ago and no reviewer's been able to pick it up, so I was wondering if you could take some time to review it. Is there some kind of issue regarding the backlog of late? The number of unreviewed drafts seems to have been growing continuously over the past few weeks. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 16:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Europhoenix Review

Thankyou for your good faith review of Europhoenix however I am concerned it may have not been conducted properly per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol#/media/File:NPP_flowchart.png. What did you answer to the question 'Does this topic already exist at another title?' .. and in answer to that question how did you proceed? Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

The answer to that question would be no. While included in the target article, UK Rail Leasing, it is not included in the title of that article. The flow chart does not say, "Is this material covered in another article?", but it is more specific that it is included in the title. I almost reverted to the redirect based on WP:SPLIT, and would not think a redirect was unjustified. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

• Depends how one interprets 'At another Title' .... and if one takes that to mean on the page which I do (but you've done the training). If you have time to look at it what has happened is a WP:SPLIT with encyclopedic content content left at the UK Rail Leasing article and a mostly different set of information at the New Europhoenix article (avoiding attribution). So a big content fork WP:CFORK. Europhoenix was subject to a previous AfD deletion and actually there is no guarrentee the revised article (especially in its current state) might not either! if you check the AfD discussion I'd not be too sure it won't be re-nominated. I could merge that across. I have ongoing content difficulties with IP users (I'd assume same guy) at Rail Operations Group and I'm sure we've also crossed on Locomotive Services Limited ... we've sort of progressed but I'm not totally happy. If you're sure Europhoenix is not about to be dragged to AfD in 3 weeks time then I'll guess I'll do the merge.

Anyway if you're happy with the review ....

Thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:27, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

... Mind you if it isn't split the IP user will simple WP:UNDUE the content into the UK Rail Leasing article. Thanks. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I missed the AfD discussion. With that in mind, I've boldly restored the redirect. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:30, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou for taking the time to look at it again. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Pussycat and the Dirty Johnsons

What linkrot where? I've just tested all the links and they all seem fine to me.Romomusicfan (talk) 01:29, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Romomusicfan What are you talking about? That article isn't tagged for linkrot. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Got a notification:

30 June 2018

A reviewer suggested improvements to the page ‪Pussycat and the Dirty Johnsons‬. Tag: linkrot.

‪Onel5969‬ Thank 2mo

So I checked for any linkrot, found none, thought to myself "wtf?", so messaged you since your name appeared on it. *shrug* Romomusicfan (talk) 12:34, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Romomusicfan; I'm not Onel5969 - I'm just a friendly talk page stalker - but I can try to explain it better. The linkrot tag is put on pages that use bare URLs for citations, instead of a full citation using one of the templates (e.g. {{cite web}} or {{cite book}}), which allows for a title parameter, author parameter, access date parameter, website parameter, and much more. The linkrot tag does not mean that any of the links are currently rotted - the tag just means that because the article uses bare URLs, it may be threatened by link rot. That being said, the tag name might should be changed, as I could see it being confusing.

Because the article used bare URLs at the time, he placed the tag on in this diff. 2 minutes after that, he expanded the references himself using the templates I mentioned above, and removed the linkrot tag because it was no longer applicable. See this diff. I hope this helps clarify things. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 12:44, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks SkyGazer 512 for explaining the process in such detail. And that is indeed what happened Romomusicfan, when you created the article, you used bare URL's. When doing New Page Patrol, I tag articles like that for two reasons: first, to alert the editor who created the article that they shouldn't use bare urls in article citations; and second, to easily bring up the Refill tool, so I can attempt to correct the issue. So if and when you get the alert on your talk page, the first thing you should do is go to the article and see if it is still "tagged" for link rot. If it isn't, as in this case, it means another editor has already fixed the issue. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for that SkyGazer 512 and onel5969. I've checked and seen where it got tagged and untagged. Generally when I edit I do try to fill in references (usually using square brackets) but when I'm in a hurry and want to get on with creating an entire page, it can be tempting to just use bare URLs and sort the mess out later. Cheers anyway. Romomusicfan (talk) 17:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Response

You do realize you created a duplicate of an existing article right? We can't keep both of them and I created the article two years before you did. You should really double check to see if an article is already there before you create an article. Koala15 (talk) 03:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, since you didn't see fit to add a link to the article you created, not sure what you're talking about. You can't create articles with the same title. Did you create an article with an incorrect title? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 05:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Onel5969. It looks like the two articles are Woman Doctor (film) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Woman Doctor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Tagishsimon redirected the one K created back in July. I would guess the two can be merged. Koala15 please try to understand that mistakes and/or misunderstandings (the later looks to be the case here) happen here at the 'pedia. Heaven knows none of us are perfect (especially me) which is why WP:AGF exists. One of the nice things about our project is that things can be fixed fairly easily. I hope everyone knows that we are all working to improve the encyclopedia. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 05:42, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Koala15: We only need one article. That you created the article first is irrelevant to the question of which article we retain. The two articles have pretty much identical content. Woman Doctor is the correctly named version - we would only need the (film) disambiguator if there were contention for the Woman Doctor namespace, which there is not. So I will AGAIN redirect Woman Doctor (film) to Woman Doctor and trust that you will be adult enough to let the matter rest there. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:04, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks MarnetteD and Tagishsimon - Now I can see what happened. Yeah, I would never check to see if an unneeded dab was part of an article title. What I do check is if the first word in the title is an "A" or "The", or if there is punctuation (like a dash in One-Thing-at-a-Time O'Day) especially with these older films. Often, especially if an editor relies on imdb.com, they will mistitle an article, leaving out the article. Learned that the hard way, after creating several articles with "The" in the title, only to find out later that an article already existed without the "The". Will also check for variant capitalization, like in the One Thing article I showed above. I've come across instances where an editor will incorrectly have titled that article One-Thing-At-a-Time O'Day. Don't really care which article is kept, my goal is to get rid of redlinks, not collect trophies. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Neil H. Buchanan

Hi, I hope you are doing well. A while back, you flagged the page, Neil H. Buchanan for issues, specifically missing citations. The page can be found here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_H._Buchanan. I have added various citations, including secondary cites. Do you mind removing the warning box from the top of my page? I believe I have added the necessary information to satisfy the biography guidelines. Thank you. NHBuchanan (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi NHBuchanan - actually, no. Adding more citations to info which is already covered by citations, in fact in some instances suffers from WP:CITEKILL, doesn't help the issue on this page. What is needed are references from independent reliable sources for EVERY OTHER ASSERTION made in the article which currently does not have a reference. In addition, you should probably cease editing this article, as per WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI, and ask for any changes to be made on the talk page of the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:41, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Walking on Air (1936 film)

The article Walking on Air (1936 film) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Appears to be a non-notable film from the 1930's.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Kirbanzo (talk) 01:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018

Hello Onel5969, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news

• The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.

As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.

• There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Coordinator tasks for more info to see if you can help out.

Other

• A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.

Moving to Draft and Page Mover

• Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
• If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
• Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
• The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js^(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
• The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget. In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions. MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues. User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page) User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50). User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you. User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link. User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion. User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Phoenix 6.5% AA in 1940

If you put that back, I will fact tag it. I'm perfectly open to the fact of there having been a large AA population in Phoenix in 1940 which for some reason then decreased dramatically and coincidentally happens to be the same as the current figure if there is any credible source and of course the US census which is what is what is given and what say that there were none/not available would be fine. What probably happened is some sloppy editor just formatted the row with the current figure and forgot to change the first column to the actual value. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 01:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Be coherent and I'll listen to your point. Otherwise... Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:14, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

'MikeyCommPhD - request to remove template'Bold text

Good morning Onel5969, I hope this message finds you well. I see you have placed a notabilty template and orphan template on the Tony D Sampson entry. Please note that a section has now been added on international media coverage of this academic with articles found through the template source links provided. This is addition to the numerous independent and substantial academic sources already on the page (successfully reviewed by GeoffreyT2000) and linkable through the template source links. The page is also no longer an orphan - it is linked to pages on emotional contagion, Viral phenomenon, Gabriel Tarde, Jussi Parikka. I'll work on linking to more ciontent as I find it. Reading the guide on this I understand that I can now remove the templates, but would prefer it you took a look and did so before I do that. Thanks!(MikeyCommPhD (talk) 07:39, 27 September 2018 (UTC)).