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Caucasus edits

Armenia is near universally recognized. While 1 country (Pakistan) does not have diplomatic relations with the country due to the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. However, since the dispute is over with, we are unsure of Pakistan's current position. Also, no diplomatic relations does not imply lack of recognition. Countries can have formal or informal diplomatic relations with each other while at the same time choosing to recognize each other or not choosing to. Please see the established consensus at List of states with limited recognition. Transnistria, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia have either zero recognition or just a few states recognizing their independence. There is a vast difference between near universal recognition and virtually no recognition. They aren't the same. Furthermore, Armenia is a member of the United Nations, while South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not. Archives908 (talk) 19:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

April 2024

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• Why exactly do you want so much that unrecognized puppet entity pseudo-state ("Republic of Abkhazia") to be listed in the infobox? What interest do you have? Nivzaq (talk) 17:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Georgia Edits

Hi, thank you for your edits on Georgian Dream page. Despite our many differences, I at least believe the article is better because of you (in a way keeping the pro-western editors in check). I would like you to contribute to the Irakli Kobakhidze's wikipedia article by making constructive changes and additions as it is in quite a poor and pathetic state as of now. If you choose to contribute, please don't let the edits get too one-sided (I remember a year ago the article was in a shockingly flattering state). I also think it is appropriate to make an article for the "global war party" conspiracy theory, what do you think? Zlad! (talk) 23:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thank for your comment, I would think of editing Irakli Kobakhidze page, but I don't think I will have time right now to edit many pages. Nivzaq (talk) 23:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

POV

You have added a POV tag to the Georgian March article I worked on. Please discuss it with me on the talk page what you find biased there. Zlad! (talk) 11:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

The article is biased in a way to portray the party's positions in negative way instead of just presenting the positions as they are. Nivzaq (talk) 12:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Elaborate on this reply, but please take it to the talk page. Zlad! (talk) 12:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Collective UNM

I hope this is a wake up call to you that you've just genuinely been brainwashed by GD. A couple of days ago you called me a sensationalist for claiming that collective UNM included anyone other than UNM and its offshoots. Here you go. Here is Kobakhidze specifying that what Ivanishvili's cult actually wants is to turn this country into a goddamn Belarus and literally ban every single relevant pro-Western opposition party. (Labor is irrelevant and Khvirchi isn't pro-Western in the traditional sense) He literally listed out the parties, hope you wake up or at least stop being so disruptive with your editing.

https://netgazeti.ge/news/738901/ Zlad! (talk) 11:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I did not call you sensationalist, I said the coverage was sensationalist.

"Ban every single relevant pro-Western opposition party" - such wording is problematic from my point of view because - neither of these parties are being banend for the pro-Westernism. The ruling party did not claim that they are being banned for pro-Westernism, but for the real or perceived (!) association with the legacy of the rule of United National Movement - torture and abuse against citizens. I see this not being mentioned anywhere in the section so this is huge POV issue in my view. The wording "ban every single relevant pro-Western opposition party" implies that pro-Westernism is being banned, this is not at least what ruling party itself claims.

The agenda of banning United National Movement has always been a huge talking point of the Georgian Dream party, always. Like since the foundation of party in 2011. The supporters of Georgian Dream hate United National Movement and its (real or perceived) offshoots very much and I don't think they find anything problematic in those statements, because they have asked for these bans for years. The Georgian Dream party actually did not implement its pre-election promises by not banning the UNM party and launching cohabition with them in 2012-2013.

In my view, if you think that banning these parties would "negatively affect democracy" or "pro-Westernism" in Georgia, since that opinion is also voiced by some sources, it is okay to mention that. However, it should also 100% be mentioned the ruling party opinion, that those are criminal organizations which tortured people and abused them for 9 years from 2003-2012. Also, that their Western associates tried very hard to shield them from responsibility when they lost power in 2012-2013. And that Saakashvili was loved by Western neocons (Bush's famous "beacon of democracy" remark in 2005). Also, the claims of the ruling party are indeed real in many cases since 80% of mentioned parties are indeed offshoots of UNM (for example, Ahali, Droa, Girchi - Japaridze infamously said that he knew about tortures but did not think it was a problem). However, some parties are indeed not UNM offshoots - Citizens, For Georgia, For the People. However, ruling party opinion should be mentioned that they perceive these parties as UNM accomplices in getting back to power.

In conclusion, my view is that ruling party opinion should 100% be mentioned as the passage can not be neutral in any other way. And this is not just an opinion of ruling party, this is the opinion of significant number of Georgians who consider UNM and its associates as criminals for their tortures in 2003-2012. Nivzaq (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Look I also don't like UNM. I also consider their rule as authoritarian... but what the hell does Lelo and Gakharia have to do with it? And no I don't think their reasoning for banning UNM is either valid (no matter how much I may think they screwed up and committed crimes during those 9 years) and especially don't think banning "their accomplices" is excusable. It is very clear that they want controlled opposition of Khvirchi, maybe Chergo!, Natela, and Patriots and that's it.

Anyway to diverge from my opinion. I think "major pro-Western" is necessary to include as those are indeed all parties that are regularly labeled pro-Western and have a chance of entering the parliament. But I agree that their explanation should be added which I will do today. Zlad! (talk) 22:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Also an important thing I’ll add is that Wikipedia prioritizes third party analysis of the positions rather than the party’s official claimed positions. Zlad! (talk) 23:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

I added a sentence about the party’s reasoning for the ban. Zlad! (talk) 23:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

edit summaries

hey - thanks for your large contributions to Zviad Gamsakhurdia! i'd suggest you use edit summaries more often though, especially with large edits to controversial articles (like Gamsakhurdia's). it will make it less likely that someone watching the article does a double take. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 16:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Alliance of Patriots

Hi, do you know if Georgian Idea and Georgian March are technically running on Patriot’s list or no? Have they formed an electoral coalition and if they have can you provide a source? Thanks Zlad! (talk) 00:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't have a source, but they most likely do. Nivzaq (talk) 09:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I couldn’t find a source either. If you find something, let me know. Zlad! (talk) 09:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Georgian parliamentary election

Hi, there are various discussions going on the talk page of 2024 parliamentary election. Since you are active on the article it will be good to hear your input as well. Zlad! (talk) 23:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)