User talk:Mike Selinker/Archive2

John Henry Johnson was an American football

I just realized that that was me! ×Meegs 17:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

You're categorizing Maurice Clarett with the Broncos?? I'm always excluding players that don't play a down for the team, let alone people like Mo that never even joined the practice squad. Is it just because he made a lot of news with the Broncos? I'd be fine with that, but otherwise we need to coordinate our criteria for category membership. ×Meegs 13:06, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks/rosters

I just wanted to thank you for all the hard work you've done on disambiguation for the NFL rosters. --Arcadian 03:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Baseball on Wikicities

Hello Mike Selinker, Googie Man here and I want to ask you something as a fellow baseball fan on Wikipedia. Jimbo and Angela have made a new webstie. This link in particular will take you to the baseball Wikicity. As you'll see it's similar to Wikipedia, but my hope is this will allow baseball fans to do more and different things, like reporting on games, in depth statistics, create mulitple pages for pictures, and whatever else baseball fans care to create. You've done great work on Wikipedia and I was hoping you could help get this baseball Wikicity off the ground. Please let me know what you think either at my talk page, or you can email me at terry@wikia.com. Thanks! Googie Man^(Talk), 22:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC).

Rugby in the United States

I'm not sure whether you are aware that rugby union and rugby league are two different sports. The difference between th two of them is bigger than that between American football and Canadian football. It doesn't make much sense to put them in one category.GordyB 17:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

No Banana Slugs yet

The Youngstown State Penguins

...but you've brought us across the 150-mark in college football categories, and I understand you're working on basketball too now. You're a machine. ×Meegs 17:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

College Coaches

What do you think, should there be coach categories for every football program we've hit, or should we just dump them all in the football program cat (I used to only do that for head coaches, btw)? It'd be a little weird to have some cats contain a bunch of position coaches (that went on to greater fame elsewhere) and no head coaches. One thing I've always hated doing is adding players who later coach at their alma mater to both the —football cat and the —football players categories. Sometimes I'm so self-conscious that I leave HTML comments to indicate that it's not a redundancy. ×Meegs 17:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

• more questions for the Ole Ball Coach at User talk:Meegs#coachin' 'em up ×Meegs 19:23, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
• and more ×Meegs 20:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
• more ×Meegs 21:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
• If you come across any coaches for old NFL teams or team names, make a category for them. I'm deferring the decision to fork-off non-name-changing AFL teams until later (unlike the players cats, these will be reasonably-sized, so it's not a big deal to wait). All the different Cardinals cities have separate cats, though, and other team names that lasted a long time should too. ×Meegs 21:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
• Damn it! I've had two edit conflicts with you in the last 5 minutes. Stop working so fast. ×Meegs 10:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• By the way, I processed Category:American Football League coaches too, but decided to leave them in there (even though many who should be there aren't). I also did a quick census, and is least one coach under each AFL name entity except the Dolphins, but I've decided for the time-being that having such tiny cats would just be obnoxious. There is no NY Titans cat, and I'm going to merge the Tenn Oilers & Titans such that the overall convention is one coaches cat per franchise × city (i.e. name and league changes don't create a separate cat). ×Meegs 03:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The question is, is anyone not categorized in NFL coaches, and the answer seems to be no. So I feel that additional subcategorization isn't really necessary.--Mike Selinker 03:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Special teams discrimination

Just discovered Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 January 29#Category:American football special-teamers. I know you didn't create punt returners, but it — and to a lesser extent long snappers — are never going to be as complete as the other position cats. I'll use the LS cat whenever get that info, but I'm curious how liberally you are going to include players in the PR cat (and is there going to be a KR cat?). ×Meegs 04:07, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Running Man Barnstar

I know you've already got the Working Man Barnstar, but I'm giving you the Running Man Barnstar for your supreme work in categorizing everything football. Anthony 18:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Bill Austin

Hi there - I noticed you recently added Bill Austin to Category:Oregon State University football players. I was unsure if these two people are in fact the same, and was reluctant to add him to the category. I tried to Google it, but didn't come up with much. The years the OSU Bill Austin played in the NFL is about 6 years before the coach started coaching, so it is certainly plausable they are the same person, but I still don't know for sure. Were you categorizing him, assuming they were the same person after you saw the "What links here" section, or do you actually have knowledge that these are in fact the same person? If the former, I would err on the side of removing the category as I'm not so sure they are the same person. Perhaps you could aide me in attempting to verify this as well. I looked at the OSU alumni hall of fame and didn't find anything on him, and didn't find much else. VegaDark 23:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Upon double checking, he actually is listed in the OSU Hall of Fame. I don't know how I missed him the first time. It does in fact say he was the coach, so looks like we can keep the info. I'll add a bit as well. VegaDark 23:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Cat Scan

Do you know about about Cat Scan? I just discovered it, but it's going to be very very helpful. ×Meegs 19:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Too bad it doesn't handle the complement of a set, or we could find all the NFL players that are missing college cats, etc. ×Meegs 20:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Babe Ruth

I'm posting this message on you Talk Page either because you've contributed to the article Babe Ruth, or because you've edited other baseball or sports related articles. I've recently completed a revision of this article at Babe Ruth/rewrite. If you have the time, I'd appreciated it if you'd compare the articles and leave any feedback you might have on the rewrite discussion page. I'd like to reach a consensus before makeing major changes to the main article. Thanks for your help. --djrobgordon 20:32, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Poker

Hi Mike, are you interested in joining us over at WikiProject Poker? Essexmutant 15:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Sports Wiki

I noticed you were active on many sports pages. My friends and are I starting a sports wiki that you may be interested in. It uses Wikipedia's software but we made a lot of technological improvements to allow for more news and opinion articles. The site is ArmchairGM. We're not "officially" launching until March 6th, but you can feel free to poke around and add content. Let me know if you have any questions. --Roblefko 04:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Miller Twins Wiki

Feel free to split the miller twins up. May I ask how in the world you knew I made a modification to the miller twins? I haven't publicized them in my userpage. How can you see other people's contributions? --Starze 1:17, 17 February 2006

I understood the history fine, but thanks for the explanation anyways. I misunderstood that you had some way of knowing what people were modifying. Yes in this case you were already watching the miller twins page.

A side question, is there a short tag to say "--Starze 5:36pm, 17 February 2006?" I am manually typing that in now to talk to different people. Thanks again.

Hey thanks for that tilde syntax. Starze 04:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

greetings, fellow sports fan

I happened to notice a trail of your edits immediately following those of user:catapult (because catapult is programmed to tell me these things). As you used very few edit summaries, I am extremely curious. Is there something we need to talk about, or were there just a bunch of miscategorized articles to start with? It looks like some the categories might have been redundant, and IMO there are way too many categories for the number of articles. I'd really like to have a better idea of what's going on. So if you would reply, I'd greatly appreciate it. — Feb. 22, '06 [04:56] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Basically, here's the plan that's been going on in all the football and basketball categories: Make a team category, create player and coach categories for it, and find all other articles that make sense in it. In player categories, we make sure there's a sport category (say, their pro team) and a nationality category (say, American basketball players). I'm somewhat independently doing the same things elsewhere, so, for example, I rebuilt all the Major League Soccer categories so that coaches and players feed into their teams, and I'm thinking of doing the same for the Negro League baseball teams. I also went through and checked all the "Sports in X" categories to recategorize individuals and teams to this scheme. Overall, there's a sense that ALL sportspeople must have a category that summarizes their sport and nationality (Japanese figure skaters, for example). So a lot of little edits are required. Thoughts? --Mike Selinker 06:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Mike, so I interpret this to mean that your edits were based upon the over-categorized state of many of the articles themselves, rather than upon unstated disapproval of my actions which were to change all Category:[City] sports to Category:Sports in [City], [State] to match the parent categories for each (which usually consisted of Category:[City], [State] and Category:Sports in [State] — struck me as common sense). Sorry if I sounded accusative. — Feb. 23, '06 [00:21] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Ok, cool then. — Feb. 23, '06 [06:10] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

boardgame geek

It's a bit convoluted, but I removed those Dicetower links because, primarilly, they were mass-added to about 25 articles by someone who had contributed no content to the project, just the links (twice), so I deemed them spam or at least promotional in some way. I didn't mean to remove the Boardgame Geek link, so I've re-added it. I'm an occasional visitor to BGG myself so I'm a bit biased, but I think BGG links are rather useful in most boardgame articles. --W.marsh 15:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

People by occupations category merge

I've withdrawn my proposal because is really that Sports occupations is an Occupations sub-category and should never have been included in the People by occupations page. I still want to rename that People known in connection with sports and hobbies category to something shorter and get hobbies out of it. If you want to talk about what other changes need to be made in the People categories let me know. I'll put this page on my watchlist. --JeffW 15:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

New York University

Although the school mascot of NYU is the Bobcat, the teams are nicknamed the Violets. see: NYU Athletics web site --Nelson Ricardo 20:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Big Game Hunter

Should be capitalized - Name of profession/person

Before you move an article please use the Talk page first SirIsaacBrock 10:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

TV poll is now closed

The poll is now closed so I reverted your changed, but you may want to see the follow-up discussion and proposed guideline which was a product of the poll. In particular you may want give a stamp of approval at the bottom section --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 01:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:AFL

Hi mate, I suggest you take a look at WikiProject AFL if you love your footy, and also Category:VFL/AFL players. Drop us a line with any questions mate. Cheers, Rogerthat ^Talk 10:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Better To Write Articles

Hallo,

Torturing words and debating meaningless minutia is a waste of wiki resources; doing research and making a meaningful contribution to articles are the best unwritten wiki policies -:) BTW please stop spamming my user talk page, things like that get you blocked. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 11:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Meta-puzzle

Well, I was going by the article content, which gave examples of metapuzzles both in puzzle hunts and in puzzle computer games, so I put it in both subcats. But if you know better, please do move it back: I would love to think that was the most dissent I had invited in my many article recategorizations. —Blotwell 02:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Jacqui Cooper

Great work on the Jacqui Cooper article. I kinda left it in a bad position. Great work!Banana.girl 11:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Bill North vs Billy North

Hi Mike, I noticed you created an article on Billy North but there was already an article on Bill North. Seems to me "Billy North" would be the best choice for the article title, but the older article has more detail. Do you want to initiate the merge? Schmiteye 17:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

For your support on the MetroStars vs RBNY issue. It's been a tough week for us Metro supporters, and many of us are having a difficult time with the transition, which for many will never occur. Every bit of support, for whatever reason, helps. DR31 _(talk) 15:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Jeff Hamilton

I'm pretty new to Wikipedia work and can edit individual pages pretty well, but this is a bit bigger problem. Jeff Hamilton (player profile) plays for the Bridgeport Sound Tigers in the AHL and is listed on the Sound Tigers Wiki page because he has a team record. However, that link leads to a Jeff Hamilton who played baseball. Obviously there needs to be a disambiguation page, but I'm not sure how to create one. Since you seem to be interested in the AHL, I was hoping you'd be able to help. Thanks. --MEvanov 22:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

"Art photographers"

Hello, I see you recently made an edit to Category:Art photographers. Assuming that this category is worth retention, your edit was one with which I fully agree. However, I don't think it's worth retention. Take a look at what people have written on its talk page, and on that talk page feel free to disagree (or even agree) with me. Thanks! Hoary 03:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the, you know

What're you working on these days? Anything I can help with? I'm thinking about starting on alumni cats, but I'm doing a lot of AFC too. ×Meegs 09:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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UNC-Duke rivalry

I liked what you did with the UConn-Tenn rivalry and was hoping you could help out on the Duke-UNC rivalry page I set up.

Remember 18:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw your recent edits. Thanks a lot. Remember 20:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:Baseball records subcats?

Hi. I'm the closing admin of the CFD regarding this category, and while I have the reverse merge properly decided...I'm afraid I couldn't figure out what you said needed to be done with the various subcat proposals. I'm contacting you three (Gene Nygaard, Mike Selinker, and Wknight94) who were most involved with the subcat discussions in the hope that between you all the subcat scheme can be accomplished. I'm sorry for being thick. ;) --Syrthiss 15:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Suicides

Woohoo, the final leg of work got done without me :D Awesome work, much appreciated, lots of new subcats too, I see. Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 16:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Suicide Categories

Hello,

Nice work on the Suicide list. It may seem gruesome to some, but understanding certain facts about a person who has committed suicide helps someone in my line of work prevent others from doing the same. Among many other important elements are the person’s occupation (with its particular stressors), and the family culture (with its particular peculiarities and stressors), which they came from. Persons in creative, high achieving, highly competitive occupations seem to be at greater risk than others – likewise (and sometimes even more significant) are those who come from families with these same characteristics).

With this in mind, I have some suggestions for further subcategories: 1) “Celebrities’ family members who have committed suicide” (thinking of Cheyenne Brando among many others); 2) “Mass suicides” (like Jonestown, Guyana); 3) “Photographers who committed suicide” (they are considered ‘creative types’). That’s it for now. Thoughts?

Be healthy,

Michael David 22:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

John Kresse

Do you think that John Kresse be categorized as a St. John's basketball coach if he was just an assistant coach at St. John's? I don't care either way, I just want to make sure that the categorization is the correct style. Remember 14:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Death from Alzheimer's Disease

Mike,

Another important Category I believe should be added to the causes of death lists is: 'Death from Alzheimer's Disease'.

I would create it myself, but I can't find an existing Article to change. I have my own reaearch data base listing various persons and their causes of death, and with this new category I can add the Alzheimer's deaths to Wiki.

I'm still a bit shaky when it come to creating new Categories, especially when it comes to the sorting code. Please consider creating this new Category and I can learn from your work.

Thanks,

Michael David 12:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

ALSO IN ANOTHER AREA (I just dicovered this):

There are Categories: 'Assassinated Kings' - 'Assassinated Monarchs' - 'Murdered Kings' - & 'Murdered Royalty'.

Perhaps something could be done about combining these.

Michael David 13:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:American football plays

I'm not sure about putting The Catch (American football), Music City Miracle, and The Miracle at the Meadowlands into Category:American football plays, which was previously populated only with types of plays. I think the specific instances of plays are sufficiently clustered in Category:National Football League lore; what do you think? ×Meegs 15:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Meegs. Category:National Football League lore seems like the best place for these. - EurekaLott 15:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Count me in with Meegs as well. Anthony Hit me up... 13:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Note: this discussion was continued and concluded at User talk:Meegs#plays. ×Meegs 13:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

UConn

Thanks for that. I'm trying to avoid cases where the abbreviation is defined. Rich Farmbrough 14:08 16 April 2006 (UTC). (And put "the" in where necessary!) RF.

Afds

Hi, I am not carrying out a campaign against your category, I just want to determine whether people who have not done anything of note themselves but committed suicide should have their own encyclopedia article. Regards Arniep 20:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Mike, AfD can be a tough place and I hope you haven't taken my comments the wrong way. I'm just interested in ascertaining the notability of the individuals concerned (at least 2 of whom I've voted to keep) and the viability of the category per Wikipedia standards and policies. Celebrity-relative-suicide is undoubtedly an area of interest to some people but this might not be the best place to present it. Cheers, Deizio 17:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I would like to echo some of he sentiments expressed here. What decent respectable encyclopaedia has a special heading Socialites who committed suicide. This is undoubtedly so that others can sit back and sneer at these unhappy souls. It is sick and completely unwarranted. Sussexman 15:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Hey, I voted to merge the article into one of the pats pages, perferably History of the New England Patriots. — Deckiller 20:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

CfD

Saw the response; I just wanted to make sure that you were reading my comment as lightly as I made it. I didn't mean to sound condescending but reassuring. siafu 02:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Songs

If you want a lot of participation, you may want pop-in on Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs. It's probably a good idea for a proposal of this size. Their talk page's newest topic is even somewhat relevant. ×Meegs 04:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The project's official stance seems to be that songs is for non-singles only. ×Meegs 04:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fictional towns and cities in Colorado

I've put this on CfD. Seems frivolous to me, far too specifc. Mgekelly 07:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Inactive musical groups

Hi Mike. What is your opinion of Category:Inactive musical groups and its complement? I've though it was a bad idea from the beginning, and probably should not have waited this long to speak-up. Unless the two are to be oversized administrative cats like Category:Living people, they will inevitably need to be subdivided by genre and nationality, creating tremendous complication, and potentially doubling the number of musical act categories. You also know how I feel about dated category criteria. Any thoughts about CfDing it? ×Meegs 15:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

McDonald's High School All-Americans

Hmm... good question. I can't seem to access that alumni PDF for some reason (maybe I just need to reboot the machine), but if memory serves there really aren't that many girls that have been selected because there that's only been around for a few years. How many of those would qualify for an article based on the guidelines in WP:BIO? I think that number is probably very few. I would say leave them all in the same category for now and if it turns out to make the category unwieldy, then split them off at a later date. howcheng {chat} 00:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

BMX cyclist

Why are you removing the category "American Cyclist" from at the bottom of the BMX racer's bios?Hunter2005 01:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• Because I gave them all "American BMX riders" categories, or the equivalent. This parallels the way it's done for different disciplines of skiing. I was thinking of bringing it up on the "Cyclists" discussion page. Thoughts?--Mike Selinker 01:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Are you doing the same for mountain bikers and cyclocrossers? If so then fine, if not then I don't see why BMXers should be excluded from the category of cyclist since they are racing bicycles.Hunter2005 10:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
    • You convinced me. I thought it might be wise to separate the BMXers from the general cyclists, but the bicycles that Tour de France riders use look a lot less like regular bikes than BMXes do. Anyway, I put them all back into the main BMX category.--Mike Selinker 14:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fenêtre Records albums

The one remaining article in this category (mentioned in this CfD) has been deleted. Please consider a delete vote for the now-empty category. Thanks! -Big Smooth 20:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Categories of Oz on DRV

My apologies for the bulk-nature of this message, but as someone who had participated in the CFD for the "X Gang of Oz" categories recently I felt that you should be notified that they were up for review here. This is not a solicitation of a specific response there (all users who participated were notified), but if you feel you have some insight I'd appreciate your comments. Thanks! Syrthiss 15:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

MD Moving

Hi Mike,

I am going to be moving for the next several days. Included among the usual disruption and chaos that goes with this, I will need to stop - then reconnect - my Internet service. I don’t know how long this will take since I am at the mercy of my cable provider. As soon as I am reconnected I'll let you know.

Be healthy.

Michael David 09:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mike,

The nightmare of moving (both home & office) is finally over. After being trapped in an elevator for two hours – having to be extricated by the fire department; being rear-ended by a Lexus on the expressway; and a much needed complete re-working of both phone and cable lines – I can get back to the (very) relative sanity of everyday. I am considering proposing a new Wiki Category: “Persons who have suffered from post-traumatic moving stress disorder”. Oh well, it was an adventure. I look forward to picking up where I left off in Wiki.

Be healthy,

Michael David 21:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Singles & songs

FYI, I've supported your proposed merger of the singles & songs categories... I've hated the distinction for a while, glad to see I'm not the only one, lol. Anthony Hit me up... 12:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Would you consider changing your vote in here?

There is a tie at the moment, and you can break it. I understand that you voted to keep them earlier, so now that you see that there are many people who wish that they'll be undeleted, why not change your vote back? (I believe it had something to do with the fact it wasn't said anywhere earlier) OzOz 20:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiLove!

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Punisher Meets Archie

Cool additions -- didn't realize Millie the Model, et al, were there!--Tenebrae 17:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hispanic inhabited regions

You might want to consider the deletion vote of Category:Kurdish inhabited regions. --Cat out 11:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I changed your CfD nomination

ok? ×Meegs 06:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Come to Garfeild High School!

float

Tomorrow, Saturday June 10, there will be a huge party/all class reunion at Garfield. This is being called the Bash Before the Smash as the building will be hollowed out like the shell of an undercooked marshmallow very shortly. The lower gym, portables, parking lot and football field are being completely razed. The event starts at 10am and is scheduled to run until 3pm. Live music of all kinds by current and former bulldogs will be going on in the Quincy Jones Auditorium starting at 11am. I hope to see you there. (Sorry for sending this out late and if you are no longer in the Seattle area, I apologize for spamming you.) —WAvegetarian•(talk) 23:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

people alleged to be gay

what happens often?

Supermodel

Thanks for your efforts to get input from Lil Flip246 and your voice on the CFD discussion. I've just been trying to stay out of editing Supermodel because of the amount of editing he has been doing without discussion or consensus. When he adds names to agencies he puts them at the bottom, not in alph order, etc. I do believe that he is sincere, but he is not working with others which discourages participation. Take a look at the Supermodel page and its talk page if you would. Thanks. Doc 03:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Was this intentional? [1] -- Usgnus 17:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the explanation. I agree they should be deleted. -- Usgnus 17:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

What is db?

Thanks for your kind words over at Categories for Deletion. What does "db" signify? Again, thanks. --Wisekwai 13:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Suzen Johnson footnotes?

You seem to have deleted the footnotes from Suzen Johnson - why, may I ask? AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 18:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I had hoped as much. To err is human... AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 18:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Flight attendants

Wow, I never realised people would write about flight attendants in fiction so much. I withdrew that cfd. Now I know who to come to for filling weird categories. ;) Tim! 20:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

models

Thanks for pointing out Category:Omega models, I'll add that. As to keeping another one, there was that run of delete all at the end. I think everyone just saw this as bad and making one keep exception just got lost in the crowd. Vegaswikian 05:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Yea they are closed but both may/will be back for the rest. For some reason the closes today had a large number of odd decisions. I hate those since you never know if you are doing it right. Vegaswikian 05:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If you have enough edits, anyone can close a debate and list the results for action on the bottom of the CfD page. You do not have to be an admin. The only action an admin has to do is the delete which anyone can list in that section when they have completed the other work. Directions are at 'Closing procedures:' near the end. Vegaswikian 05:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Page moves

Please check Help:Moving a page and avoid making page moves by copy-and-paste. -- User:Docu

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_9#Singles_by_artist_into_Songs_by_artist

It will be a massive job to actually merge these, do you plan to just hope it gets done, seek help (a mini project!) or do it yourself? I'm willing to help do a few, and then delete the categories (I am an admin)... would it make sense for you or someone to organise a worklist? Point me to where this is being discussed if it is.. You can reply here, I watch. ++Lar: t/c 17:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that. there are bots that do it... Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Singles_by_artist_into_Songs_by_artist. never mind.++Lar: t/c 17:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

How did I miss all this?

Hello. I'm the person who created the songs/singles category structure in the first place (in line with the Songs WikiProject). I know I'm too late but I do have to say that I strongly disagree with your merging of all these categories. I still see '[artist] singles' to be a valid and useful subcategory of '[artist songs]' (which is why I spent numerous hours creating and maintaining them). However, I do have a problem with the current system, myself. I originally created the categories called '[artist] songs' to hold songs recorded by that artist but this definition has become blurred and they now often contain songs written by, or played live by, that artist even if they never recorded them. I would propose to rename the whole lot to '[artist] recordings' or 'songs recorded by [artist]'. I'd like to know your views on this. --Moochocoogle 23:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Worms

I see you have moved several animal phyla to your new Category:Worms. I understand the intention behind it, but the way things were, there were categories for each animal phylum as direct children of Category:Animals. Now, several (largely unrelated) phyla are separated out as Category:Worms. Would you be offended if I changed this back, so that each phylum is represented equally? --Stemonitis 06:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't alter/remove Hello! Project categories

Mike,

I'm the founder of Wikiproject: Hello! Project. I noticed that you were removing and changing categories on selections related to Morning Musume and Hello! Project.

First off, I am reverting your edits for two reasons: One, is because Hello! Project is an umbrella for several J-Pop groups centered around Morning Musume and their many side projects, related bands, and solo artists. The other is because all of the single categories were changed to song categories in recent weeks by Wikiproject Music.

Being bold is nice, but you were going against the grain and the wishes of two Wikiprojects and their protocols and that simply isn't cool.

--CJ Marsicano 00:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Capitalized song titles.

Mike,

Many of the singles whose capitalization you reverted are supposed to be capitalized. Please don't uncapitalize those song titles.

-- CJ Marsicano 00:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

"Since FDR, only three presidents..."

I like Ike. ×Meegs 09:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

College Football Project

" Hello! "

Thank you for contributions. I noticed that you have edited a College football related article. You may be interested to know that there is a college football WikiProject which you can join and help us edit Wikipedia’s college football articles. If you have any questions just ask at the College football WikiProject. Again, Thank you for your help and we hope to see you there soon! --Mecu 19:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It is mine, I tell you.

My own. My precious. ×Meegs 06:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Usgnus

Please tell Usgnus about your view of the category. This user doesn't appear to listen to me. Georgia guy 00:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

A CFD discussion

In this discussion, people seemed to agree with you, but I just don't understand your proposal. So, what exactly do you mean in terms of category renaming/merging/recategorization? Conscious 14:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I've loaded the /Working page. Conscious 14:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Fictional space stations

Do you know of any fictional space stations which are not artificial satellites of a planet or other astronomical body? Even if the Death Star could travel between planets, it still always took orbit around one, right? The reason I am asking is that I am trying to come up with a structure for all locations in fiction articles and categories at Wikipedia:Locations in fiction, fictional locations, and settings.
&#151;Lady Aleena talk/contribs 07:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The Playboy models error

Please see this page. It has some relevant comments. --Cyde↔Weys 21:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Ric Flair

I noticed that your added Ric Flair to the Minnesota Golden Gophers Football Players category some time ago. I searched the web to learn about his stint there, but was unable to find any concrete proof. If you direct me to a credible link, it would be greatly appreciated. XMR 20:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know what you count as a credible link. I used this page: [2] --Mike Selinker 05:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposal: Cat merger discussion

• Hi - based on at least one edit you made, I suspect you might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 July 31#Category:Cricket lore. Regards --A Y Arktos\^talk 22:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Make that reveille

Check cfd ;) ×Meegs 17:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Cat:Fictional Tortoises

I'd like to withdraw that nomination. Is that allowed? -- Steel 00:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Paramedic Wikipedians

Hi. I noticed that you have nominated the above category for deletion on the grounds that it is empty. I will not be objecting to your proposal. However, in future, could you please make sure to include a note about the intended deletion in your edit summary? This will then allow other editors the chance to see that deletion has been proposed and give them an opportunity to object to it. Thank you. Road Wizard 06:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who are pilots

Hi Mike, I saw you sorting of the above category into "Wikipedians by profession". Erm, I'm a pilot, but it's not my job. I'm loathe to casually revert your change, because it's possible at least one of the members is a pilot by career, but most of the people listed there, like me, are private pilots. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 13:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Category renaming coming?

Not to be too much of a bother, but we're trying to wind up with names of the form "Something of Country" rather than "Countryish something" (e.g. "Military personnel of Israel" rather than "Israeli military personnel"). ;-) Kirill Lokshin 19:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, the issue that comes up with military personnel (as well as a bunch of other categories that use the "of country" formulation, such as ) is that lots of historical countries don't have adjective forms. This was the reason we moved away from them for battles and wars, for example. Kirill Lokshin 19:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

There's also the point that such people are usually categorized by country of service (like Category:Heads of state by country) rather than by country of birth, which rather complicates things. Kirill Lokshin 19:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems like the best approach. I've asked for input from the rest of the project; hopefully, we'll be able to work out something sensible (and actually apply it this time!) Kirill Lokshin 19:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Scouting memorabilia collectors

I oppose this rename only because Scouting is a proper noun in English. If you capitalize it in the new cat name, I don't have a problem with the rename. If you leave it the way the cat name is now, the problem solves itself. Please respond on the cat rename page. Rlevse 10:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Murder victims.

Fair enough on the general murder victims. But Kriss Donald was British, was he not? Dev920 17:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think this is a murder that could do with wide categorisation (as an example of asian-on-white killings, rather than the far more famous white-on-black, not to mention that British does nto automatically=English. If it's merely a matter of preference, do you mind if I put the British one back? Dev920 17:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Cameron Green

Hey, I didn't create Rick Ross singles. I contributed to it ok?

"Fictional [fictional/legendary creature]s" CfD

Hi Mike,
Just to let you know I've added/clarified a thought re this CfD. Best wishes, David Kernow 09:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Foo Singles

My only beef with having a non-singles category is you get a load of...well, non-singles to wade through when you just wanna see a band's hits.

--Feduciary 13:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I put a lot of work into The Beatles A and B side categories, and rather miss them. The Beatles songs category is full of crud and it's just about impossible to get a Beatles article through AFD. --kingboyk 15:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Recording artist categories

Hi Mike. You need to watch out for categories which contain both the artists and the general stuff about the record label, including label discography, album subcategories and so on. These will need to have new "artist" subcategories rather than be renamed.

The category on my watchlist which matched this description is Category:KLF Communications. I've now created a new Category:KLF Communications artists and placed the artist articles into it. As such your nomination is no longer required and I've taken the liberty of removing the nomination tag. Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention! --kingboyk 15:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Apparently Maurice Clarett is a flop

Any thoughts on Category:Sports-related flops? I have no doubt that it'd be slaughtered if we put it on cfd. ×Meegs 16:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I just now discovered its talk page and see that you're already aware of this one. I guess I mostly wanted to see if you had suggestions on how to save it or some subset. It's always nice to be able to suggest some alternatives before going into a *fd that you know isn't going to be kind. I hope this one doesn't get too ugly. ×Meegs 07:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

CfD

I offered a few suggestions at: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 August 16#More Wikipedians by interest. Interested in your thoughts. : ) - Jc37 19:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Song categories

Hi Mike. I've done a grep on the list of second-level song categories, to produce a list of cats which don't include the word "songs". I imagine most of them are OK, but there a few which you might want to consider (such as "Songs written by xxx" - should or should not this be "xxx songs"?).

# [[Category:Articles in need of Song Infoboxes]]
# [[Category:Electronic song stubs]]
# [[Category:Hymns]]
# [[Category:Instrumentals]]
# [[Category:Long song titles]]
# [[Category:Royal anthems]]
# [[Category:Singles]]
# [[Category:Song collectors]]
# [[Category:Song forms]]
# [[Category:Song stubs]]
# [[Category:Songs by artist]]
# [[Category:Songs by genre]]
# [[Category:Songs by language]]
# [[Category:Songs by lyricist]]
# [[Category:Songs by musicwriter]]
# [[Category:Songs by nationality]]
# [[Category:Songs by producer]]
# [[Category:Songs by year]]
# [[Category:Songs dealing with The Holocaust]]
# [[Category:Songs from musicals]]
# [[Category:Songs popular at sporting events]]
# [[Category:Songwriters]]
# [[Category:Theme music]]
# [[Category:World music song stubs]]
# [[Category:Anthem stubs]]
# [[Category:Anthems]]
# [[Category:Anthems of Venezuela]]
# [[Category:Arias]]
# [[Category:Ballads]]
# [[Category:Best Song Academy Award winning songwriters]]
# [[Category:Blues song stubs]]
# [[Category:Cline Dion singles]]
# [[Category:Chant]]
# [[Category:Charity singles]]
# [[Category:Christian hymns]]
# [[Category:Christian songwriters]]
# [[Category:Country song stubs]]
# [[Category:Dance Dance Revolution song lists]]
# [[Category:Debut singles]]
# [[Category:Epic poetry collectors]]
# [[Category:Folk-song collectors]]
# [[Category:Gay anthems]]
# [[Category:Grateful Dead singles]]
# [[Category:Heavy metal song stubs]]
# [[Category:Hip hop song stubs]]
# [[Category:Hymnals]]
# [[Category:Jamster ringtones]]
# [[Category:Madrigals]]
# [[Category:Metallica instrumentals]]
# [[Category:Missile Innovation singles]]
# [[Category:National anthems]]
# [[Category:Number one singles]]
# [[Category:Nursery rhymes]]
# [[Category:Pop song stubs]]
# [[Category:Pop standards]]
# [[Category:Power ballads]]
# [[Category:Punk song stubs]]
# [[Category:R&B song stubs]]
# [[Category:Rick Ross singles]]
# [[Category:Robert Burns]]
# [[Category:Rock song stubs]]
# [[Category:Show tune stubs]]
# [[Category:Singer-songwriters]]
# [[Category:Single stubs]]
# [[Category:Singles banned by the BBC]]
# [[Category:Singles by record label]]
# [[Category:Singles by year]]
# [[Category:Skye Sweetnam singles]]
# [[Category:Songs by Amy Woodforde-Finden]]
# [[Category:Songs by Anna Sosenko]]
# [[Category:Songs by Arthur Hamilton]]
# [[Category:Songs by Billy Reid]]
# [[Category:Songs by Bob Merrill]]
# [[Category:Songs by Carl Sigman]]
# [[Category:Songs by Chilton Price]]
# [[Category:Songs by Cole Porter]]
# [[Category:Songs by Dominic John]]
# [[Category:Songs by Don Robertson]]
# [[Category:Songs by Ernesto Lecuona]]
# [[Category:Songs by Frank Loesser]]
# [[Category:Songs by Fred E. Ahlert]]
# [[Category:Songs by Hank Williams]]
# [[Category:Songs by Harold Cornelius]]
# [[Category:Songs by Harold Rome]]
# [[Category:Songs by Harry Richman]]
# [[Category:Songs by Howard Barnes]]
# [[Category:Songs by Irving Berlin]]
# [[Category:Songs by Irving Gordon]]
# [[Category:Songs by Jerry Ross]]
# [[Category:Songs by Jessie Mae Robinson]]
# [[Category:Songs by Jimmy Kennedy]]
# [[Category:Songs by King Laney]]
# [[Category:Songs by Lew Douglas]]
# [[Category:Songs by Mack David]]
# [[Category:Songs by Nat Simon]]
# [[Category:Songs by Oral B]]
# [[Category:Songs by Oscar Brand]]
# [[Category:Songs by Pat Ballard]]
# [[Category:Songs by Ray Stanley]]
# [[Category:Songs by Richard Adler]]
# [[Category:Songs by Roy Rodde]]
# [[Category:Songs by Roy Turk]]
# [[Category:Songs by Sandy Wilson]]
# [[Category:Songs by Slim Willet]]
# [[Category:Songs by Stephen Foster]]
# [[Category:Songs by Stuart Hamblen]]
# [[Category:Songs by Tom Lehrer]]
# [[Category:Songs by Winfield Scott]]
# [[Category:Songs of Edo Maajka]]
# [[Category:Songs of Percy French]]
# [[Category:Songs of the Phantom of the Opera]]
# [[Category:Songs produced by George Martin]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Al Dubin]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Al Stillman]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Alan Jay Lerner]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Arthur Freed]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Bert Kalmar]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Bob Hilliard]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Bob Russell]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Buddy G. DeSylva]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Carl Sigman]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Dick Manning]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Dorothy Fields]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Edward Heyman]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Geoffrey Parsons]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Gus Kahn]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Hal David]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Harry Ruby]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Herb Magidson]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Howard Dietz]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Ira Gershwin]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Irving Caesar]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Irving Kahal]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Jack Brooks]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Jack Lawrence]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Joe Darion]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Joe Young]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by John Turner]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Johnny Mercer]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Leo Robin]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Lew Brown]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Lorenz Hart]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Mack David]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Mack Gordon]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Mitchell Parish]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Ned Washington]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Oscar Hammerstein II]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Otto Harbach]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Paul Francis Webster]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Ray Evans]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Richard Adler]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Sam M. Lewis]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Sammy Cahn]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Sylvia Dee]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Tom Glazer]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by Tom Lehrer]]
# [[Category:Songs with lyrics by William Engvick]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Allie Wrubel]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Arthur Schwartz]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Bob Russell]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Carl Sigman]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Dimitri Tiomkin]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Frederick Loewe]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Gene de Paul]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by George Gershwin]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Harold Arlen]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Harry Ruby]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Harry Warren]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Henry Mancini]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Hoagy Carmichael]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Isham Jones]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by James Van Heusen]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Jay Livingston]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Jerome Kern]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Johnny Mercer]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Joseph Burke]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Jule Styne]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Karl Hoschna]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Larry Coleman]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Leonard Bernstein]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Leroy Anderson]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Nacio Herb Brown]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Ray Henderson]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Richard Rodgers]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Robert Allen]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Sammy Fain]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Sonny Burke]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Victor Young]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Vincent Youmans]]
# [[Category:Songs with music by Walter Donaldson]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Al Hoffman]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Allan Jeffrey]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Arthur Korb]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Bart Howard]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Bennie Benjamin]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Boudleaux Bryant]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Charles Purvis]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Claire Rothrock]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Clem Watts]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Dick Manning]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Felice Bryant]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Frank Miller]]
# [[Category:Songs written by George David Weiss]]
# [[Category:Songs written by George Forrest]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Herb Magidson]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Joe Sherman]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Kal Mann]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Mark Markwell]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Milton De Lugg]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Milton Yakus]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Noel Sherman]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Paul Weston]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Robert Wright]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Roy C. Bennett]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Sid Tepper]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Sunny Skylar]]
# [[Category:Songs written by Terry Gilkyson]]
# [[Category:Songwriter stubs]]
# [[Category:Songwriters' Hall of Fame Inductees]]
# [[Category:Songwriters by nationality]]
# [[Category:Songwriters by style]]
# [[Category:Television news music packages]]
# [[Category:The Beatles song stubs]]
# [[Category:Upcoming singles]]

HTH. --kingboyk 12:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

What's the deal about Texas? (in/from)

How did this whole push get started with people worrying about the categories "Wikipedians in Texas" and "Wikipedians from Texas" getting merged? I ask because you mentioned on the discussion page that this is not even a nomination yet, and I was trying to figure out where you fit into the (apparently premature) discussion.Lawikitejana 16:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Rocket Science Userboxes

Hi, I noticed your post on my user talk page. Sorry about my inconsistency- I realized this after I had created my category. I will gladly move over to the more consistently named [[Category:Wikipedian rocket scientists]]. Nimur 18:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Pavel Dybenko

Thank you for your contribution. Now I invite you to comment on the content :-)

WikiProject participant categories

Hi Mike, Since you're interested in - and seem to be something of a guru about - categorisation, would you please have a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Category:Participants_in_WikiProjects? Your comments would be most welcome. --kingboyk 14:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The new cfr tag

See my changes to Category:Users who like waffles for an example. The big advantage of the new tag is that it provides a direct link to the relevent discussion, referring to Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 August 26 instead of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. It supports unbrella nominations fine, and the discussion link will continue to work, even when August 26 is no longer transcluded. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 15:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians interested in coin collecting or numismatics to category:Wikipedians who collect coins

Mike, I just got asked about this move. I recalled doing it, but I couldn't find the discussion. After searching around for a long time, I discovered that you added it to WP:CFD/W here even though there was no discussion for it. I will be reverting this change. Please do not add moves to the working page unless you close the discussion, and do not add moves to the working page when there is no discussion. Thanks. --Kbdank71 15:10, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians using X CfD

As a friendly reminder: seems that you have forgotten to tag the two categories nominated for deletion with the appropriate CfD template for this CfD. --Pkchan 06:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)