User talk:Mgasparin/Archive 3
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Returning in February
Hi Mgasparin, I have returned back to finally get started to fight vandalism and further contribute and interact with wonderful people like you here on Wikipedia. I have already messaged two out of three recommended mentors and one of them was retired so I didn't message them. Hope you are doing well, have a wonderful weekend. Take care. <3 Angus1986 (talk) 01:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Great!! I do know that Danny is quite busy with other things here on enwiki, so he might not accept, but hopefully Rosguill does. If no one accepts, feel free to contact anyone who is significantly active on AfC. The three I suggested for you were prominent AfC reviewers who have been doing great work for a long time (they are all in the top 10 for most active reviewers), but I think anyone with a good track record in the AfC department would be just fine. As always, good luck and have fun this weekend. Mgasparin (talk) 02:10, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Paywalls
Read your comment about WaPo, thus you may find archive.org and archive.ph helpful - perhaps for NYT and WSJ too. starship.paint (talk) 13:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks. Mgasparin (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
April 2020
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:John B123. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ~Swarm~ {sting} 19:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
- I understand. I'll try better next time. Mgasparin (talk) 20:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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Timeline of the Donald Trump presidency (2020 Q2) moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Timeline of the Donald Trump presidency (2020 Q2), does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. John B123 (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- John B123, I think you misunderstand. This article will grow over time, as time passes. The only reason it doesn't have any citations yet as nothing has happened in the months of April, May or June yet. Moving the article to draft space just complicates things unnecessarily. Mgasparin (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- An article needs content to be in mainspace, in fact, at present it probably meets the A3 criteria for speedy deletion. It should be in draft until there are events included to make the "timeline" that is the purpose of the article. --John B123 (talk) 20:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sir, it will have content in about 2 days. Can you live with that until then? Mgasparin (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK. I've tagged the article "Review in progress" so nobody else moves it into draft or tags it for speedy deletion. As soon as you add some content I'll mark it as reviewed. --John B123 (talk) 20:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Works for me. Mgasparin (talk) 20:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- It's been 3 days now and no content added. --John B123 (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sir, it's not April yet. The timeline starts April 1. Mgasparin (talk) 21:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- It's been 3 days now and no content added. --John B123 (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- Works for me. Mgasparin (talk) 20:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK. I've tagged the article "Review in progress" so nobody else moves it into draft or tags it for speedy deletion. As soon as you add some content I'll mark it as reviewed. --John B123 (talk) 20:45, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sir, it will have content in about 2 days. Can you live with that until then? Mgasparin (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- An article needs content to be in mainspace, in fact, at present it probably meets the A3 criteria for speedy deletion. It should be in draft until there are events included to make the "timeline" that is the purpose of the article. --John B123 (talk) 20:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
No it's not, but 3 days ago you told me it would have content in two day and on that basis I tagged it as under review rather than speedy deletion. --John B123 (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- John B123 Hey, give it a rest will you? Sure, the page was created a little early, but that is no reason to delete it. Per IAR, I ask you to leave the page alone. April 1 starts tomorrow. Mgasparin (talk) 00:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- What other option do I have. I originally moved it to draft, where it should have been until it had some content, but you moved it back into main space. I assumed good faith on your part when you said it would have content in 2 days and even tagged it as under review so it wasn't tagged for speedy deletion by other editors. Articles without content can't be in mainspace, iy either needs to go back into draft or be deleted. --John B123 (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- John B123 Fine whatever. Move it to draftspace for the time being. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Mgasparin (talk) 01:13, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
- What other option do I have. I originally moved it to draft, where it should have been until it had some content, but you moved it back into main space. I assumed good faith on your part when you said it would have content in 2 days and even tagged it as under review so it wasn't tagged for speedy deletion by other editors. Articles without content can't be in mainspace, iy either needs to go back into draft or be deleted. --John B123 (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump Timeline
Just touching base with you. I get my numbers for the Wednesday report from worldometersinfo. I don't mind that you change my figures to the ones you provide (with a source). If you go to that site you will see that a source is provided for each state count and they provide sources that are quite specific to the state. I find worldometers much more reliable and up to date than the CDC page or even the Johns Hopkins page. Again, no problem at all...we work well together. I just thought you should know what my source is. ―Buster7 ☎ 15:49, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Buster7 Hey, thanks for reaching out to me. I completely understand. However, you might not know that there are some discussions going on at RSN over the reliability of worldometers. The thread is WP:RSN#worldometers.info coronavirus statistics. I do know that they publish their sources, so I will for the time being use them. If the consensus develops that they aren't reliable, they we will have to find another source. Just thought you should know what's going through the pipes. Mgasparin (talk) 22:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- I've been considering discontinuing the state by state part of the Wednesday report. It's a bit disheartening for me to have to deal with the escalating numbers. Plus, with each state entering the hundreds (and eventually the thousands) it may seem a bit overbearing and leaning toward a biased kind of mention which we of course should always resist. ―Buster7 ☎ 22:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- Buster7, I completely understand the sense of stress you are feeling. Honestly, I really wish the media would report less on the number of deaths and new cases and more on the number of recoveries. Can we not celebrate the fact that many people are getting better? In BC where I live, around 60% of all cases are recovered, yet that gets little attention in my local TV news channel. I suppose it has a lot to do with writing stories that sell. Do you still want to mention the pandemic (perhaps in a different way), or omit it entirely? Mgasparin (talk) 22:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
- I've been considering discontinuing the state by state part of the Wednesday report. It's a bit disheartening for me to have to deal with the escalating numbers. Plus, with each state entering the hundreds (and eventually the thousands) it may seem a bit overbearing and leaning toward a biased kind of mention which we of course should always resist. ―Buster7 ☎ 22:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Trump closure
Thanks for the closure support. I would dispute your apparent reasoning that the continuous stream of complaints about article bias is a reason they should be dismissed. The main argument is not that they are so many, but that they are so unarmed with policy. Also we should bear in mind that, as I said there, NPOV is not what the everyday person on the street calls "neutral". I think you and I might do the same in their place, so I experience no nausea (about that, anyway). Perhaps there should be a rule, "No neutrality complaints accepted until you have 5,000 edits." ―Mandruss ☎ 08:20, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Mandruss, that's an excellent idea. So many readers, and even some long-time editors, still think NPOV means "No Point Of View". No, WP:NPOV is explicit that neither sources nor content must be "neutral". It is editors that must be neutral in their editing. -- Valjean (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
What is a peer review? ―Mandruss ☎ 08:35, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Mandruss See WP:PR (peer review). If you want some feedback from editors not regularly involved at the Trump talk-page, I might suggest that you nominate it for PR. Yes, that point that I was trying to make is that there are so many unsupported claims that the article is biased. True, complaints should not just be turned away, just the ones that don't have a leg to stand on.
Mgasparin (talk) 09:33, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Well maybe we could turn them away without the nausea comments?Wild, I never heard of PR, maybe because it's mainly used for GA and FA and I don't participate in either. No, I don't care to use it, but it might have been pointed out to the OP, more prominently than in passing mention in the closure. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Mandruss. I know that you aren't interested in using PR, but do you honestly think that it would result in beneficial change for the article, or just more stalemate and endless discussion? I ask because I am seriously thinking of nominating it for PR. It might be good to get a new pair of eyes to look at the article besides Mark, Scjessey, Melanie, JFG, you, etc. Mgasparin (talk) 22:48, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think it would be interesting to try. I don't claim that the regulars there have a monopoly on proper Wikipedia editing. If nothing else, we would end up smarter (wiser) for the attempt. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Mandruss. I know that you aren't interested in using PR, but do you honestly think that it would result in beneficial change for the article, or just more stalemate and endless discussion? I ask because I am seriously thinking of nominating it for PR. It might be good to get a new pair of eyes to look at the article besides Mark, Scjessey, Melanie, JFG, you, etc. Mgasparin (talk) 22:48, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Well maybe we could turn them away without the nausea comments?Wild, I never heard of PR, maybe because it's mainly used for GA and FA and I don't participate in either. No, I don't care to use it, but it might have been pointed out to the OP, more prominently than in passing mention in the closure. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Content, not editors
Regarding this unnecessary comment. Remember to talk about content, not other editors. It takes two to tangle, and the second comment (yours) is the one that is best left out. Others can silently judge that editor on their own. Now they can also judge you, and you don't need that. Oh, BTW, I have done exactly what you did many times, but it's not a good thing to do. A piece of fuel only burns when someone comes along and ignites it. -- Valjean (talk) 01:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. Mgasparin (talk) 03:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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It appears there are responses to your comments
It appears there are responses to your comments at Talk:Veracity of statements by Donald Trump. X1\ (talk) 04:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I got them. Thanks. Mgasparin (talk) 08:00, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Haha. lol. Mgasparin (talk) 21:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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#13
Hi. Just for my information, are you forgetting about #13, or deliberately ignoring it? ―Mandruss ☎ 02:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, yeah. Sorry, I'm tired and I thought it had been 24 hrs since closing. Mgasparin (talk) 02:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Please reuse the trout above. I guess I won't reverse both of those this time (I'm tired, too), but you're certainly free to do so. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Updating statistics
Hi... I've noticed the BC covid 19 stats haven't been updated since your last update for June 11. I know everyone gets busy etc and have to take a break from volunteer work, so I would like to step up and do the updates myself, if you are not able. Is there a specific website the data is collected from. I have seen all the commonly accessed websites but if there is a specific site where the data is from I would like to keep the data source consistent. Thank you Grant Gussie
gtgussie@hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.173.134 (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hey Grant, that's fine. just do it! Mgasparin (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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Trump Timeline
Thanks for always backing me up with refs. I always wanna get the thing into the timeline and then add the refbut my arthritis fingers dont always co-operate.―Buster7 ☎ 13:36, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Haha. You are most welcome. We're all just trying to do our best to write a good article... Mgasparin (talk) 05:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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New Article:Timeline of the Joe Biden presidency (2021)
When do you think it would be a good time to start The Biden article? Tomorrow?
- @Buster7: Depends if he wins the election or not. WP:CRYSTAL applies here. Mgasparin (talk) 04:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Just planning Ahead like a good scout. I think WP:SURETHING fits better... but I can wait. Be Safe!―Buster7 ☎ 09:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Mgasparin, Hope you are doing well! After a long time. ^_^ I messed up with my preferences and cannot sign, I tried seeking help with one user who had a good looking template and on teahouse to fix, could you help if they are either busy or don't want to help? Thank you! - Angus1986
- Hi, Angus1986 good to hear from you after a long time. Unfortunately, I'm not very knowledgeable in HTML code. However, I have found the help page Signatures to be of great use to me, as it has several paragraphs on how to customize and play with your signature. One way to fix your preferences (as a last resort) if you cannot figure it out is to restore the default settings. It's in bold red lettering at the bottom of the page in the "Preferences" tab. I hope this helps. Mgasparin (talk) 22:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- If you still cannot figure it out, I might suggest speaking to Oshwah, a prominent wikipedian and admin who is an expert in HTML code. Mgasparin (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- I tried navigating with Signatures but I am not so knowledgable in HTML as well, if Oshwah could help I will be glad to seek help from him. What is their username? Just "Oshwah"? - Angus1986
- I was able to find him, I will message him right now. Thank you so much for your time, Mgasparin! - Angus1986
- Great! I hope you work everything out. Mgasparin (talk) 05:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- I was able to find him, I will message him right now. Thank you so much for your time, Mgasparin! - Angus1986
- I tried navigating with Signatures but I am not so knowledgable in HTML as well, if Oshwah could help I will be glad to seek help from him. What is their username? Just "Oshwah"? - Angus1986
Dear Mgasparin, I hope you are doing well. :) I have changed my username to AngusMEOW, and the archived talk page is missing which was listen in the Archive Box by CluebotIII. Do you know someone who can help me with this? Thank you so much for your time. ^_^ AngusMEOW (chatter • paw trail) 13:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- AngusMEOW Hello, I looked at your page, and actually, it looks fine. I made some small changes to the archiver, which may help in the future (limiting the maximum size of an archive page). You may have to wait for the bot to archive your talk page again for the pages to show up in the archive box. If they don't appear even after Cluebot archives again, I would suggest asking a question here. That is the talk page for ClueBot III, the bot that is currently archiving your talk page. Good luck! Mgasparin (talk) 03:48, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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Author:Office of Deputy Press Secretary Judd Deere
I just changed the caption to one of the images at the Timeline. While in the process I noticed that the Author was someone from the White House .jpg)
. I made the change because it said Trump was just sending a message to his supporters. I thought the edit came from a neutral source but I was wrong. It seems the Deputy press Secretary for the Trump Administration is editing THE Timeline. What to do??? Definitely this against ALL the rules of paid editing or something should be done right away. Should we contact an Administrator? The Media? Not sure what to do but I will pursue this discovery. ―Buster7 ☎ 19:39, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Buster7: Definitely launch a COI investigation and speak to an administrator, ASAP. We can't let people who have connections to the White House or work there use the timeline to paint a sanitized picture of the administration. Mgasparin (talk) 04:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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