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any sources for kakazai list

Shahid masood is most probably a punjabi as he speaks punjabi and doesnt have any pashtn surname or even there is not even a single sources for that Javed ahmed ghamidi is a born is sahiwal not in pakpattan as proved by the source itself http://www.al-mawrid.org/pages/research_detail.php?research_id=5 No mention of kakazai. kakazai are very less in number mate .Maliks in punjab are mostly awan, syed, mughal, rajput and very rarely kakazai like ghulam muhammad.

Ishfaq ahmed .there is no mention of kakazai in the source or anywhere on internet. do u have any sources for that. Thankyou. Also can u tell me how can your write malik riaz as kakazai while he is rajput and that i know personally.

Can you please elaborate these points and if you can do so then i will b more than happy to revert back the edits to whatever you decide — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 08:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Saladin1987 , I have gone through your edits and it becomes quite apparent that you hate the Punjabis with passion. Please don't bring your Pashtun nationalism to the Wikipedia as this is NOT the place nor the venue. I am not the first editor to whom you are reverting on that very basis. Pashto has nothing to do with being a Pashtun. There are plenty of Pashtuns who live in Punjab and elsewhere and yet don't speak Pashto anymore. It doesn't make them any lesser of a Pashtun. I am going to revert your edits. Since you claim that Ishfaq Ahmed (and others) is NOT a Pashtun or Kakazai, the onus is on you to prove it otherwise. I am NOT the sole editor to that list. I have requested many times to other editors to only add NOTABLE and VERIFIABLE Kakazai. "Malik" is NOT only used by the Awans and other groups. There are considerable Kakaza Pashtuns in Punjab who also use "Malik" as their first and / or last name. It doesn't matter whether you know someone personally or not. If you think that Malik Riaz is not a Kakazai Pashtun then please bring forth the sources to prove it otherwise as you want others to bringforth the sources. Thank you. McKhan ^(talk) 09:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Ofcourse thats not the case because i dont hate punjabis i love punjabis as much as i love pashtuns. i dont disagree with your information but the thing is shahid masood is a punjabi and that is the truth. You shouldnt write that information which doesn even have any sources .i didnt write in the article that he is punjabi i just removed pashtun category.On the other hand In kakazai pashtuns most are awan maliks and rajput maliks. but instead of writing kakazai or punjabi , the article should be left without the ethnic description as neither can you prove it nor can i. the thing that i wana explain is that malik riaz is rajput for sure its coz i know that persons son personally, on the other hand javed ghamidi is born in sahiwal, its mentioned in sources then ishfaq ahmed is born as muslim but no mention that he was kakazai. Cmon MCkhan if this was the case that maliks and every khan was pashtun than there would be no punjabi but all pashtuns in punjab. Kakazai are in extreme minority in punjab and the ones that are use malik as surname which is not the case with any of the names mentioned. If you cant give me any authentic sources then i am sorry i will have to report your opinions which are completely opposite to the sources that you have provided to the wikipedia administrator. If you can prove these sources than i would be happy to accept ur edits — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Did you ever check that I have NEVER edited Shahid Masood's article before? I am afraid your information is incorrect that the Kakazai Pashtuns are in "extreme minority" in Punjab. There are plenty of Kakazai Pashtuns in Punjab and in Karachi who don't speak Pashto AND they also use Malik, Sheikh, Sardar or even Agha as their titles. But that doesn't make them any lesser of a Pashtun. You can do whatever you want. Just don't revert other editors' edits just because you don't believe them to be "correct" specially when you are not able to provide any sources to prove them otherwise by yourself. Thank you. McKhan ^(talk) 10:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Well i dont know in which pakistan you live in but sardars are mostly rajput as it was a title given to them and some are baloch too . Agha are title given to persian people. sheikh are no kakazai they are punjabis or urdu speakers. Well if you cant explain me the sources in javed ghamidi about his birthplace and no mention of kakazai then i am sorry i will have to revert the article. Kakazai are in minority , can you name any kakazai apart from ghulam muhammad with a source can you do that? Also ishfaq ahmed article there is no mention in the source its just that the information has been written by a guy like me n u who is not a very authentic personality. Brother i dnt deny it that there are no kakazai in punjab, i know there are but they are few in numbers. niazi and other pashtun tribes are more common in punjab but kakazai not really. If you can provide me with sources to the articles then i am happy to accept them but why wud u promoto wrong information if u dont have sources. http://www.al-mawrid.org/pages/research_detail.php?research_id=5(Tell me the kakazai part) ishfaq ahmed there is no source but i beleive u in that . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Saladin1987, Let me reiterate that I am NOT the sole editor of that list. I have almost NEVER edited of all those articles where you are trying to instigate the edit-war.

It doesn't matter nor it is anybody's business whether a Pashtun wants to use "Sheikh" or "Malik" or "Agha" or something else as his/her title/last name/ first name OR even speak ANY other language (i.e. Hindko, Dari, Punjabi, Seraiki, Urdu) other than Pashto. It doesn't make him any lesser of a Pashtun NOR it throws him out of Pashtun lineage. A Pashtun is always a Pashtun. You have repeatedly demonstrated your Pashtun nationalism agenda on several of the articles on Wikipedia. As per your perception, ONLY the Pashto-speaking Pashtuns are the "real" Pashtuns which makes no sense at all. Anybody can see the evidence here, here, here, here and here. You must stop playing the "Pashto" language card and differentiating and DISUNITING the Pashtuns based upon semantics (i.e. "Pathan"), European features (NOT all the Pashtuns are "White"-looking nor all of them have European features or Green eyes. There are plenty of darker Pashtuns in Southern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa like in Bannu, Kohat, Dera Ismail Khan .etc who are even darker than the Kashmiris or Syeds.) and your own perception / definition of a Pashtun. Historically speaking, Pashtun / Pakhtun / Pathan are all the same just like Tarkani / Tarkanri / Tarklani are just ONE TRIBE despite the difference in sepllings.

Since you claim that the Kakazai Pashtuns are in "minority" in Punjab, please feel welcome to visit this link which has got PLENTY of information in Pashto, Urdu and English about the Kakzai Pashtuns' existense in Punjab and elsewhere even in 1600. You can also call Kakazai Association – Peshawar (Phone: 0300 8596321 | 0345 8596321), Kakazai Association – Rawalpindi / Islamabad (Phone: (051) 5739032 / 2820100 | 0300 8540510) and Kakazai Association – Lahore (Phone: (042) 37553353 / 37593382 / 37530292 | 0300 9471449 / 0333 4251883). Don't be disappointed IF they don't speak Pashto but other languages. You can also buy a book called “Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani” (a.k.a. “Hidayat Afghani – Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani”) from Publisher: Malik Sirajuddin & Sons, Contact: Malik Abdul Rauf, Address: F/1982, Kashmiri Bazar, Post Box: 2250, City: Lahore, Country: Pakistan, Phone: (042) 7225809 / 7225812. That book has got a huge list of notable Kakazai Pashtuns which is NOT available on the internet but only excerpts. Here is a list of Pioneer of Kakazai Association in Rawalpindi / Islamabad which also includes the names of Dr. Ashfaq Ahmad and many others.

Malik Barkat Ali and Abdullah Malik are just another example of Kakazai Pashtuns in Punjab who used "Malik" as their first and / or last name. And there are plenty of them in Punjab. One doesn't have to agree with this practice BUT it doesn't make them any lesser of a Pashtun.

Regarding Javed Ghamidi, you can always correct the place of birth in the pertinent Wikipedia article. I have got plenty of information on the Kakazai Pashtuns. Some of the sources are available on the internet and some of them are not. Some of them are not even in English but it doesn't mean that if they are not online or if you or anybody else cannot find them then they don't exist. Thank you. McKhan ^(talk) 03:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Rohail hayat is grand son of sikandar hayat khan the punjabi politician

This time i am filing a complaint against you on wikipedia. You will get the answer look at the sources in the rohail hyaat article before writing lies. i am not a pashtun, got it. Originally, his name was 'Rohail Hayat' and he is a great-grandson of Sir Liaqat Hayat Khan, a prominent Punjabi leader of British times. However, he later changed his name's spellings for artistic reasons http://www.urduwire.com/people/rohail-hyatt_422.aspx

Look at the links first. You just wana make every khan a pashtun but i have notified your edit warring and you will get the answer if your revery the change — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Speaking Punjabi (or any other language for that matter) doesn't make someone Punjabi by RACE or TRIBE or ETHNICITY. I have already explained and provided ample evidence of your bias in due course in the above lines. Thank you. McKhan ^(talk)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding Self introduced information on article and not responding to the sources on talk page. The discussion is about the topic Rohail hyatt. Thank you. —Saladin1987 14:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs)

It seems like you dont wana understand that sikandar hayat khan was khattar tribe and that tribe is punjabi and he is his grandson rohail hayat. so what does that make him. Where is the source for pashtun that you have added. Last time i accepted your edits because i didnt had enough sources but this time there are two sources which are plenty to explain. According to you every person who is khan and speaks punjabi is not punjabi actually but pashtun then what about most jatts, rajputs,syed, arain, mian who use khan .. incase i would say khans in kpk would be mongols then coz khan is mongol surname brother. " Originally, his name was 'Rohail Hayat' and he is a great-grandson of Sir Liaqat Hayat Khan, a prominent Punjabi leader of British times. However, he later changed his name's spellings for artistic reasons" https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.156715864355957.43073.139310402763170 and the previous source.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Quit blaming me for the edits which I did NOT make. I have NOT added any source (Pashtun or otherwise) to Rohail Hayat's article. I have made just ONE edit (Reverted 1 edit by Saladin1987 (talk) to last revision by 007avenger007.) and UrduWire (a forum) and Facecook are not very reliable sources as per Wikipedia's own guidelines. And I REVERTED your edit to last revision by 007avenger007 BECAUSE under your own edit history ((here, here,here, here and here), you have been making edits with really offensive edit summaries towards certain ethnic groups. AND I have explained to you in detail on this very talk page. Thank you. McKhan ^(talk) 15:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

brother i m sorry u r my muslim brother. lets stop fighting..hope u have a really great day ..salam Saladin1987 15:20, 29 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs)

Same to you. Thak you. McKhan ^(talk) 15:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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kakazai

but was there any region or country named afghanistan before 1800s.. so it should have been modern day.. but its really upto you, its like saying people migrated from karachi, pakistan in 1000AD..

The word "Afghan" by itself is pre-Islamic, hence, Afghanistan (i.e. the place where Afghans live). Thank you. McKhan ^(talk)

Look mate you are trying to revert every article, but this time i will have to report you until and unless you provide me with a source on Javed Ahmad Ghamidi with that kakazai part, the source that is provided doesnt include any information on that. i wil have to revert your edits unless you provide me with a source . Thankyou . Also afghan doesnt mean that there was afghanistan, it means punjabis used to live in the area where alexander the great got the arrow, so shall we write punjabistan over there.. bring some sources for Javed ahmed ghamidi and start conversation on talk page to get sources but until then the category and kakazai part has to be removed. Pakpattan is a town where there are no punjabi pathans.Saladin1987 10:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Go right ahead and report me. I can use the very same argument that you are reverting all those pages which I have been editing. On this very talk page, you have had a long discussion with me before. You are back to your old tactics. Since you also "edit" Wikipedia, thus, the onus is also upon you to research whether the information you are removing or adding is verifiable or not. You simply cannot remove / add certain information based upon your own discretion. Like I said before, it doesn't matter to me whether Javed Ghamidi is Kakazai or not but Punjabi-Pathans live almost in every corner of Punjab and yes including PakPattan, Sahiwal. The truth of the matter is there are plenty of Punjabi-Pathan who live in Sahiwal by itself. Thank you. McKhan ^(talk)

You dont even belong to Pakistan and you are talking about editing pakistani articles and to the most punjab related articles . the source that your provided me was based on wikipedia article. No worries i will do whatever i have to do as i know you will continue to revert the article to your personal satisfaction. Saladin1987 11:42, 21 August 2014 (UTC) It seems according to you every punjabi has certain pathan ancestry... also if it doesnt matter to you then dont add it until you can add a credible source. it will save me some time as i will have to take steps to further verify that part. Saladin1987 11:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Why you blocked me Now listen! I was not enter a wrong information about my tribe .I also have a picture of shajra I do not know how to use Wikipedia .... But you've done wrong by blocking me😡 Arbaz khan Tanoli (talk) 11:33, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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I made just one edit and you have gone ahead and created the whole category arbitrarily. Did you discuss? I have already sent you a very nice email explaining everything in detail. Please go and read. Once you are ready to discuss with cool head, I will be ready as well.  McKhan  ^(talk)

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KhanKhel Or KhanKhail

✔ sir thanks for creating KhanKhel or KhanKhail sub tribe of Yousafzai, They are migrated from Swat valley Some KhanKhel called themselves Swati, Because they come from Swat and now better known as swati, but it belongs to a sub-tribe of yousafzai Located in the Hazara region of the Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa, and Swabi ,mardan área of Pukhtunkhwa, KhanKhelYousafzai (talk) 07:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has certain guidelines which one needs to follow in order to corroborate with the content of the Wikipedia articles. One's personal knowledge, opinions, etc. doesn't count if it cannot be verified through independently verifiable sources. I have researched Khan Khel and have created the article as there were quite a few IPs and IDs were pushing for it. One should remember that a Khel is just a sub-tribe and there could be a lot of Khels in one tribe. There are other Khan Khels in other tribes as well, for example, Khattak. I couldn't find a source that indicates that Khan Khel calls themselves Swati or originally hailed from Swat. You should remember that some historians don't consider Swatis as bonafide Pashtuns. That's why I have left the article to a minimum while corroborating with the verifiable sources without indulging in whether Swatis are bonafide Pashtuns or not and thereby avoiding putting the status of Khan Khel, a sub-tribe of Yusafzai, under doubt. I hope it helps. Thank you.  McKhan  ^(talk) 08:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

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Sir ,thanks for correcting KhanKhel notable people, I appreciate your work, you do a very good and polite, my work is all investigated , I always do a safer work, for any doubts I like to declare doubts, KhanKhelYousafzai (talk) 13:16, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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I've stumbled upon this revert^{(21:27, 23 April 2022)} that you made and the warning you left in the IP's talk page...
I mean I can see that that's clearly a mistake, but what were you trying to do? I don't think you even noticed it since you didn't self-revert... or am I missing something?

I've reverted that revert at any rate. Cheers. – 2804:F14:C060:8A01:21D9:DCEA:CAAC:2DF6 (talk) 08:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Apologies. Thank you.  McKhan  ^(talk) 15:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

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Can you please tell me how to write Yousafzai in pashto? Because I cosider what you have written in wikipedia is wrong. Please double check and correct it Xeek.yousafzai7 (talk) 16:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

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Hello brother thank you for your last kind reply! I'm new to wikipedia and have not contributed before. can you please guide me how to create personal biography page on wikipedia? or there is no possibility? waiting for your kind response. Xeek.yousafzai7 (talk) 07:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Your edit on Afridi

I agree with your edit on the Afridis. I think this does require discussion but did you mean "wholesale?" "Wholesome" means nutritious,good,not evil,pure and if the change you objected to was wholesome there should be no argument about making that change. Spinney Hill (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment/correction. I don't know what I was thinking when I was typing. Please accept my apologies. Thank you.  McKhan  ^(talk) 17:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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