User talk:Likelife/Archive 1

This is my Archive from April 2008 to June 2010.

London Buses route 212

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Rename of St Pancras railway station

Greetings Likelife, thank you for your enthusiasm in contributing to Wikipedia. I noticed that recently St Pancras railway station was renamed to include "International" in the title of the article; The new title now does not match the article, or the opening four words. I have requested the move be reverted.

Please consider getting involved with an article, or asking on the article's ‘’’Talk:‘’’ page before making similar moves in the future—it can save a lot of work. Once again, thank you for being so willing to get involved. —Sladen (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

• ‘’moved back from User_talk:Sladen#St Pancras International‘’

Hi there, St Pancras is now branded with International I know the station has been around for years I lived in Wellingborough, but what im saying is that the station is branded International by all train services and maps puls the tube. If the station is not an National & International station what is it just an National???Likelife (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Followed up on Talk:St Pancras railway station#Move me to St Pancras .... Thank you. —Sladen (talk) 12:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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s-rail Service boxes

Hi, I noticed that you have been trying to improve the service box on the Derby station page. It appears you have been having trouble with the s-rail scheme. I will incorporate your changes into how the s-rail box should be - with the "rowsmid=2" etc. If you need help in the future with this leave me a note on my talk page and I can help you out. Thanks Year1989 (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

One-off Chiltern service to Bridgnorth

Hi. This service is not regular, so it is notable enough to be mentioned, especially in the services section. Thanks. ‘’’Oliver Fury, Esq.‘’’ message • contributions 15:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating project Northamptonshire

Hi Likelife. I very recently created a project Wikipedia:WikiProject Worcestershire. For a start up project it might help give you some ideas. The main problem with counties like these is getting enough members to endorse the project. You may need to canvas the active editors and contributors to existing Northants articles. You can get a list of the articles from the categories, and from the article histories you can single out whom to post a template invitation to. The Worcs project only has very few members, but since it was created they have all been very active in sorting out what needs to be done, then setting about improving the the articles. If you need any help, don't hesitate to ask.--Kudpung (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Class 456

Yes it's fine to use my picture, thanks! best, Sunil060902 (talk) 16:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Northamptonshire

I was thinking about this the other day. Not only do I feel that it is a fantastic idea, but I would love to help. Hopefully it goes through okay! ReformatMe (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Likelife (talk) 12:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Likelife/Archive 1! A Wikipedia:WikiProject Northamptonshire has now been created. If you wish to help out improving articles relating to anything in the county, please don't hesitate to go to the page and sign up!--Kudpung (talk) 13:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops! I didn't realise this was your page :) Please don't think I'm trying to usurp your project - I'm just helping out by doing a little canvassing for it. In fact I've dropped this message on a careful selection from all the active contributors to the Northampton page already. You can copy and paste the message too, it puts the icon and the user's name in automatically. I get the users from the history logs, but nhere's no point in putting it on the talk pages of obvious troublemakers, or casual editors. I'll keep a log of what I am doing on the project page. --Kudpung (talk) 13:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Worcestershire

Hi! There is absolutely no pressure on you whatsoever to join the Worcs proj. However, there are a couple of experienced editors there with a bit of local knowledge about your area, and running projects, and they are quite happy to give you a hand to get started :) --Kudpung (talk) 16:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Northamptonshire

Hi Likelife/Archive 1! A Top Priority article you have been involved with has many issues and urgently needs improving. If you can help with these issues please see Talk:Northamptonshire, address the different points if you can, and leave any comments there. (This is a generic message. if it has been placed on your talk page inadvertantly, please ignore it.) --Kudpung --Kudpung (talk) 22:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Stagecoach

Hi Likelife! Corby Star and Connect Wellinborough are brand names of Stagecoach, their parent company, so the Wikilinks were in fact OK. However, it's not a major issue, although you may want to put them back in if your are travelling down that road again any time soon.--Kudpung (talk) 11:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Wellingborough

Hi Likelife. Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to include a very interesting and detailed section on Geology. Unfortunaly, the section is totally unreferenced. See: Talk:Wellingborough. Perhaps with your local knowledge you can help save the section from being deleted. --Kudpung (talk) 21:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Overground as National Rail

Hi. You are right that Overground is National Rail but it is also being treated as a separate mode of transport within London with its own prices and branding. I think it is best to go back to the old previous/next template and use that consistently. It is better because it makes a nice heading with the Overground roundel logo on it. I reverted Stratford but I then saw that you have done some other articles too. I won't revert those until we agree what to do.

I have a suggestion to make it more explicit that these lines are part of National Rail and also to make the list look better. We could update the templates so that the National Rail logo is added to the National Rail listings and also to the Overground one in addition to its roundel. That is how Overground itself brands the station signage. Does that sound OK to you? --DanielRigal (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Template:Anglophone states

An article that you have been involved in editing, Template:Anglophone states , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.  —  ^{.`</sup>^) Paine Ellsworth<sup>diss`cuss} (^^`.  10:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

St Pancras

In order to prevent an edit war, I have started a discussion, on the St Pancras talk page. Btline (talk) 20:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:Railway stations served by East Coast (train operating company)

Hi there. We probably don't need to include the "(train operating company)" part so I'd propose that we rename this category to Category:Railway stations served by East Coast. I'd ask if you think that would be okay? If so, I am prepared to make the required changes using my bot account to avoid having to manually update each article. Regards. Adambro (talk) 14:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Great North Western Railway

The article Great North Western Railway has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There was a flurry of news articles in late September following a press release by Alliance Rail which suggested they had submitted proposals to the ORR but nothing else has emerged since nor have any details of applications appeared on the ORR website. I propose this is deleted until, or if, anything more concrete emerges such as an ORR application, particularly when the service is planned not start for four years and the reports of a dispute with Grand Central cast further doubt about the likelihood of this getting off the ground.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. I've also proposed that Great North Eastern Railway (Alliance Rail) be deleted for the same reason. Regards. Adambro (talk) 16:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Great North Eastern Railway (Alliance Rail)

I have nominated Great North Eastern Railway (Alliance Rail), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Great North Eastern Railway (Alliance Rail). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Adambro (talk) 15:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Lifelike, much as I support your work on the encyclopedia, especially your initiative on Northants, I must unfortunately agree with the proposal for deletion of Great North Eastern Railway. See my comments on the debate page.--Kudpung (talk) 00:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I've commented on the issue of Alliance Rail and support a merge of the articles and to have infomation on Alliance Rail itself. Likelife (talk) 10:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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Northamptonshirre, Worcestershierre, Warwickshierre, and Everyshierre

Hello Likelife/Archive 1! A non-British user seems to be attempting to suggest that the Brits are not pronouncing their own British place names correctly, and appears to believe that it is a policy of Wikipedia to instruct the Brits, through the use of the IPA, how British English should be pronounced. He/she also seems to be of the opinion that it is Wikipedia policy to regard British English by default as a rhotic language, which it is not. Some British Wikipedians are trying to avoid an edit conflict and have requested my support. I have added my comments to the debate the non-British user has has started in defence of his/her multiple, WP:BOLD? changes to IPA pronunciations of British place names. As a professional linguist I accord every version of English its own particular merits and my position here strictly concerns the way in which the IPA is interpreted and applied in the Wikipedia, and how the current policy may need to be changed through a truly representative consensus. If you would like to help resolve this issue, please see User talk:Kudpung#IPA, RP, etc. and User talk:Lfh#Warwickshire to get the background. Maybe you could then chime in with your views on the subject at Wikipedia talk:IPA for English#Rhoticity in place names. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 18:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

News

Oundle

Hi, Could you take a look at the IPA spelling of Oundle. I think it's wrong - but I might be wrong. When i lived in Corby I was often in Oundle, and I seem to femeber well how it is pronounced. Let me know what you think. Cheers. --Kudpung (talk) 08:39, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes I think its correct, but you may need an other opinion as im not very good with writting IPA spellings. I do remember people calling it Undel and Oundlel though. Likelife (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Quite simple really, the IPA as shown would give the pronunciation as OundEl, whereas I remember it as Oundl' - what do you think?--Kudpung (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes I remeber it as Oundl'.Likelife (talk) 15:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, this was another edit of mine actually! I added /ə/, again based on WP:IPAEN, which calls for /əl/ at the end of words, e.g. "kindle" would be /ˈkɪndəl/. Some people write it without the /ə/, for example John C. Wells, so it wouldn't be wrong to take it out, it just wouldn't quite match the key anymore. Lfh (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. If it's good enough for Wells, then it's good enough for me, and is what is being queried here in Oundle. I think that accurate IPA spelling in the encyclopedia is more important than the convenience of 'matching a key'. I realise that ultimately, the key may have to re-written for accuracy, but that's a task for the author(s) of the IPA article. In the meantime, it might be the better solution to base the IPA pronunciation of british place names on Wells's interpretations.--Kudpung (talk) 22:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

IPA

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Humber Coast

Your comment was moved to WP:Articles for deletion/Humber Coast and City Railway. Adambro has also asked you a question there. Simply south (talk) 20:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I commented back, thanks.Likelife (talk) 20:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

St Pancras railway station

I have just reviewed the St Pancras station article for which you are one of the top five editors. This article is currently rated as a B class article, but would, with a little work to add a few citations where I have marked, almost certainly pass a Good Article Review if nominated. I have started a discussion at Talk:St_Pancras_railway_station#Good Article - almost. --DavidCane (talk) 01:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Metro

Another issue to be addressed is, please could people indicate in the next month at the feedback page or on my talk page whether they still want to recieve issues of the metro. A lot of newsletters seem to be going to redundant pages. Simply south (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Shepperton Branch Line

You hv just added an infobox to this article, What now happens is that the route map is fouled up (at least for me). The distance column seems to want to put m and ch on separate lines with the result that most elements of the map are separated by a blank line. The template viewed by itself is good.--SilasW (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

news

British English place names

I see that the American campaign against the British pronunciation of British place names, by British Wikipedeia authors and British citizens has been relaunched. I think this campaign is deceitful and goes against an admin's remit. I might not be so prepared to let things rest this time round, especially as the editors concerned are oblivious of the sensitivities they may be affronting, and even though I am one editor who abhors opening cans of worms. I may call an RfC and will look forward to your support. --Kudpung (talk) 13:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, could you give me a link to where the campaign is taking place please.Likelife (talk) 16:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Kwami the American, admin, and quasi claimer of authority on all things IPA, who has never even been nto the UK has started again putting final /r/ in the IPA transcriptioins of names of British counties, starting with Worcestershire (again), herefordshire, and warwikshire (again). This kind of editing is called 'disruptive' and is inadmissible when done by an admin. who is supposed to uphold Wiki policy.--Kudpung (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

BTW - I've tried to explain this away to myself as good faith, but I can't, so in order to defend the issue, I have to risk getting myself accused of not being of good faith. I probably won't really escalate it, because I'm more interested in spending my time wrting good articles, but I hope to have made my point to those concerned. You might like to see the long response to Kwami on my talk page.--Kudpung (talk) 05:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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Notable people: Wellingborough

I've gone through all the people listed. These are the dubious ones, but only really because their home articles either do not respect Wiklipedia criteria for notability and/or the articles are not sourced. In the case of the unsourced BLPs this is very bad news as the articles should be deleted after warning the creator. Articles about footballers are notorious for flagrantly disobeying the rules, and nobody seems to care. If I were the major contributor, and I wanted to get the Wellingborough article up to snuff for a B rating or a GA, I would have to accept that these entries would have to go. I'll leave it up to you.

• The only mention of Christopher Hatton is that a school in Wellingboro is named after him.
• Perry Lawson article has no sources.
• Edward Mannock's only claim to Welly fame is that he is listed on a war memorial.
• Trevor Benjamin 'grew up' in Welly - not sourced.
• Stephen Elboz unsourced BLP
• Jim Murray (writer), mentioned but not proved.
• Brian Hill (referee), vague mention in an unsourced BLP
• William Garne did nothing more than dying in the town. Totally unsourced.
• Jamie O'Neill (snooker player) totally unsourced BLP
• Bill Perkins (footballer) totally unsourced.
• Charles Webb (footballer) played just one season for Welly - does that make him notable?

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Thanks for that I’ve removed some of your suggestions and I have found refs for some of them here. It is now in paragraphs, but I feel its not perfect. Likelife (talk) 17:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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Wellingborough

What do you say we work on this really hard and get it to GA? It would be a first for teamwork of the Northants project.--Kudpung (talk) 23:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes of course the Northants Project does need some credit and it would be great to get Wellingborough to GA. After this, I think Corby really needs to excel. Likelife (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I see you've promoted Wellingborough. Did you check everything off on the Wikipedia checklist? I'm pretty sure that with still some inline tags in the Iron ore section it won't pass B class. Some of them appear to be OR, and may best just cut out. If we can get issues like that fixed, we can start looking at polishing it up for GA.--Kudpung (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Its a great section, but I will remove the second paragraph with no refs in Iron Ore. I have tried to find refs in the past but couldn't find anything good for this section.Likelife (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It's sad when that happens, but it's often the only solution. Maybe there is something in the local library. Local libraries often have copies of privately published works of local interest. Such works are not generally listed on the Internet. I've asked someone now to take a good look at the article and point out any glaring issues, prior to it being nominated for GA review.--Kudpung (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I(ve asked a frined who is also an admin to have a quick check on the current state of the article before we nominate it for GA review. See his comments here: Talk:Wellingborough#Human peer review from Keith. Could you check some of these items out, and put this {{done}} ( Done) template against them if they have been successfully addressed? --Kudpung (talk) 02:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

An ever later Metro

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April Metro

. Simply south (talk) 21:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

ELL opening

Do you have a source to show when it is opening? Simply south (talk) 19:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

[1]. Also ask User:MRSC as he made the same 15 April date on Haggerston, I'm not sure was he got his source from.Likelife (talk) 08:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Wellingborough

Hi Likelife, Wellingborough has had a detailed peer review and all points addressed. I think we should now go for GA. Would you care to nominate?--Kudpung (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

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Worcester

I need your help. There is a heavy discussion on the Talk:Worcester page about the intrusive final /r/ in British English place names again. If you have time could you read the whole thing? I don't care if you don't come out in favour of my opinion or that of the editors who share it and whom I have been asked to support, but I do wish the discussion were more evenly balanced and without the personal attacks. If you can contribute directly, please do, otherwise you are welcome to discuss it first on my talk page. Thanks a million.--Kudpung (talk) 16:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Kettering

I think you are most certainly right about kettering being C class. It's probably also close to B class. I haven't verified qll the references but thyey are certaqinly displaying in a very clean list. BTW: How about now nominating Welly for GA? --Kudpung (talk) 03:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about Welly it's now nominated. I'm not very good on Kettering, but I still would like to get Kettering to GA soon and show what WP Northants actually works. Likelife (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. Let me know as soon as a reviewer has accepted to do Welly, and I'll help you get it through. Kettering can wait - after all, on the Worcestershire project we still only have one GA for the moment, but it would be good if all the midlands counties could have at least one GA. It will help in our appeal to have the correct pronunciation shown for our counties for one thing.--Kudpung (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

May + June Metro

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I've started having a look at what needs to be done. see my first edits, and see my comments embedded ion the review notes. Kudpung (talk) 04:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wellingborough

The article Wellingborough you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Wellingborough for things which need to be addressed. Pyrotec (talk) 13:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Likelife, on the review page be absolutely sure to put a {{done}} template next to all points the reviewer has made as soon as they have been addressed, it will look like this:  Done, and to add your signature. This will avoid any unnecessary duplication on my part. We only have 7 days to clean up and unfortunately I happen to be just very busy in real life this coming week and may not even have an Internet connection for two or three days while I'm in the jungle. Some of the items may require you to do a trip to a local library if you can. --Kudpung (talk) 00:57, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

There's not much more help I can provide at this stage - you're the local expert. Do please have another look at the list of things to do if you can because time is running out.--Kudpung (talk) 20:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I've done what I can. If I were reviewing it I would probably pass it at this stage, after all it's not a FA. I feel that while some comments have been helpful, others have not been particularly encouraging. Let's see what happens. The only loss if it fails will be one of enthusiasm ;) --Kudpung (talk) 21:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for the GA "sticker" but if you don't mind I will remove it as Wellingborough was improved to GA by you and Kudpung among others. All I did was a bit of cosmetic shuffling to an article I noticed in the GAN list when I added Astley. Congratulations on achieving GA status and I hope you contribute many more. :-)--J3Mrs (talk) 19:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)