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Meelar (talk) 01:53, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

From Barcelona

(moved from User talk:Jmabel)

Hello. This is just to thanks you for your work in the subjects concerning Catalonia. Unfortunately, some people seems to have fun in changing pages, usually with a political purpose. This purpose is always the same: cut off any reference to Catalonia as a nation.

My english is quite poor, as you can see, and I can't write good contributions, but if you need some help or information, please use my discussion pages, in the english or catalan wikipedia.

(potser ens podríem entendre prou be, en català) (tal vez en español la comunicación seria más fluída). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joan sense nick (talk • contribs) 13 Sept 2005

Creo que comunicar en español será mutuamente el más fácil. Yo puedo leer catalán (con unas pocas dificultades) pero no puedo escribirlo.

Su inglés está mejor que crees. Lo que escribió (arriba) es casi perfecto.

Es posible que tengas razón en decir que el cambio tuvo motivación política, pero pudiera ser támbien ignorancia o estupidez. Si la intención es negar la nacionalidad catalana, ¿no crees que hubiese cabiado la página Catalonia en una página estrecha tratando solamente con la comunidad autónoma moderna? Cambiarlo en un semi-esbozo tratando estrachament con el reino antiguo era muy raro, ¿no?

Puedes responder aquí, miraré la página. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:00, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Hola. Yo leo bien en inglés (pese a no tener nivel para redactar buenos artículos), por lo que te ruego que me escribas en tu idioma, y yo te contestaré en el mio (catalán) o en español. Dime cual prefieres.

Hace poco tiempo que he descubierto Wikipedia y me ha interesado vivamente por lo que tiene de obra colectiva y plural. Es apasionante. Existe, sin embargo, el peligro de la manipulación interesada de determinados artículos, especialmente los de tema político, filosófico, etc. En poco tiempo ya he detectado, por ejemplo, gentes enmendándose mútuamente artículos de historia. En el caso de la história, la cultura o incluso la geografia de las naciones que actualmente no estan constituídas como Estado, existe un problema de categorización de sus contenidos. Catalunya, (como Escocia, Kurdistan o Tibet), no aparecen en igualdad de condiciones junto a los demás pueblos, con lo que los artículos que tratan de sus realidades quedan ocultos. Y, por desgracia, frecuentemente son manipulados tendenciosamente. Un caso muy claro es observar los artículos sobre el País Vasco o Catalunya en la Wikipedia en español. Yo, personalmente, creo en la igualdad de todos los pueblos, incluído el mío. Intentaré trabajar en esa dirección, si me es posible, en la wikipedia.

Un cordial saludo. --Joan sense nick 00:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

I understand completely where you are coming from. I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups for closely related reasons. I don't consider currently-established states to deserve any particular status in an encyclopedia. I find it a bit bizarre that we describe a Russian-and-Yiddish speaking Jew from Odessa in the 19th century as a "Ukrainian Jew". To me, it seems unlikely that person considered him- or herself to be anything other than a "Russian Jew". There are parts of Ruthenia that have been at various times Austrian, Polish, Soviet, and now Ukrainian. If someone was a German-speaker who lived there when Austria was the ruling power, I find it bizarre to call them anything but "Austrian".

Being ethnically Jewish, but neither Israeli nor religious, I'm acutely aware of these issues.

By the way, as I said, I'll keep this page on my watchlist for a while, no need to go over to my talk page to respond. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:09, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Creo que, en la distinción entre Catalonia y Autonomous community of Catalonia se produce una pérdida de información. En el artículo "Catalonia" deberia aparecer la mayor parte de la información: geografia, historia, lengua, economia, cultura, etc., y en "Autonomuos..." una descripción del encaje administrativo de Catalunya en el contexto del Reino de España.

Por cierto, habria que distinguir en los nombres que se utilizan: Catalunya (en su mayor parte) forma parte, actualmente, del Reino de España (o estado español), pero no, a mi entender, de España (nación española).

Seria útil que Catalunya (y Euskadi, Escocia, Kurdistan o Tibet, por ejemplo) tuvieran siempre doble adscripción: Catalunya figuraria simultaneamente en Europa y en España. No se elimina información, sinó que se añade, y se respetan las opiniones en conflicto.

¿Cual seria tu opinión acerca de crear una categoria de "naciones sin estado"? La categoria de grupos étnicos, que tu has desarrollado, creo que se refiere a la población, pero no hace referencia a la geografia, cultura, economia, historia, etc. "Stateless nations" suena bien en ingles? O mejor "Nations not recognized as states"

No se si abuso de tu paciencia, pero me interesaria conocer tu opinión personal acerca de esos temas antes de aventurarme a llevarlos a cabo. (por cierto, no me respondes si prefieres que escriba en catalán o en español, interpreto que prefieres el español)

Saludos, --Joan sense nick 21:57, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

As for the loss of information through the splitting of articles (assuming nothing was outright deleted) the simplest solution is probably to create a template {{Catalan-speaking world}} covering language, culture, history, politics, etc., then put the template on the relevant articles. I'll try to get that started; we should get the template pretty solid before placing it in any articles.

I'm sure you would really anger people off if you tried to split out the current kingdom of Spain as a separate article from Spain, and I assume that unlike whoever did the equivalent to Catalonia you will have the sense not to do so.

"Stateless nations" would be the normal English phrase, but I don't particularly suggest having a Category:Stateless nations. Both terms are problematic and bringing them together even more so. On the nations side: who exactly is a nation? The Catalans seem a reasonably clear case, but what about the Gypsies? The Mohawks? The Tuareg? The African Americans (see Black nationalism)? Or, for that matter, in present-day Spain, think of the slow gradation from the Basques to the Catalans to the Valencians to the Galicians to, say, the Asturians or the Leonese. At what point do you decide you've crossed the line out of nationhood? Conversely, one could argue that the Catalans have a state, just not one that is fully sovereign. And if, say, we decide that the Scots are stateless as a nation, what about the English, whose status in the United Kingdom is identical to that of the Scots? As you can see, this pretty quickly would become a mess.

Yes, I read Spanish more easily than I read Catalan. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I started that template, have a look, maybe you can come up with more articles that should be there. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Excelente ida el template, y todavia mejor su nombre: Catalan-speaking world. Deberiamos generalizarlo, pues el nombre "Països Catalans" levanta suspicacias en Valencia, pues nunca han formado parte de Catalunya (sinó de la Corona de Aragon), y llaman tradicionalmente "valencià" a su forma de hablar el idioma catalán. El comentario sobre el Reino de España era una reflexión, no tengo ninguna intención de añadir nuevas polémicas que no conducen a nada positivo!

Sobre ¿que es una nación? lo tengo bastante claro: siguiendo a Ernest Renan una nación es un grupo humano con voluntad de serlo ("Una nación es el plebiscito de todos los dias"). Es un tema de conciencia personal. Si hay un número relevante de gitanos, mohawks o tuaregs que se sienten únicamente de esa condición nacional (y no húmgaros, norteamenricanos o argelinos), entonces existen esas naciones. Naturalmente. La mayor parte de la población tiene conciencia nacional, o sea, de pertenecer a una determinada nación (conformada por cada biografia personal, especialmente por la infancia). Algunas personas, pocas, pueden tener una doble nacionalidad. Un saludo, --Joan sense nick 13:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, here in the U.S., having a sense of dual nationality is very common, possibly the majority case. Many Americans consider themselves "hyphenated Americans": African American, Polish American, Mexican American, Jewish American, Serbian American, Irish American. And few are willing to choose one or the other: we hold tightly to both. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Proposta de traducció de la setmana.

Hola! Com va tot pels indrets de la wiki anglesa? Vinc de la viquipèdia en català, supose que alguna volta hi has col·laborat perquè em sona el teu malnom. Què en penses si creem una pàgina del tipus Wikipedia:Catalan translation of the week, perquè es traduesquen articles del catalànic al anglès??. --Martorell 19:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Em sembla molt bé. M'ofereixo per traduir a l'anglès pàgines de la viquipèdia. De moment, només he fet que reverts de trolls, per aquí. coco 15:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Jo també m'apunto, però amb la limitació del meu anglès: una cosa és participar i editar, l'altre és escriure articles nous de cap a peus... --Joan sense nick 20:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Moving articles

I gather that you did a cut-and-paste move from Aragonese Empire to Crown of Aragon. That's a real no-no. You've left me a hunk of work to fix it. Please, in the future use the move tool or make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:21, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Spain-geo-stub

Dear Joan sense nick - I have reverted your removal of "Spain" from a series of geography stubs about places in Catalunya. Despite any political views relating to the region, it is still part of Spain and - for the purposes of editing wikipedia stub articles about it get marked with Spain-geo-stub. In removing the "Spain" from the articles all you are doing is making it far harder for any editors to find these articles to expand, thereby making it more likely that they will never be expanded into full articles. In other words, your actions are working against Wikipedia's ability to properly promote or present reasonable articles about the region. This harms Wikipedia and - indirectly - disfavours your own region. If you think that a better stub could be used for Catalunya, feel free to propose one at WP:WSS/P. If you simply decide to continue unclassifying such articles by replacing the current stub templates with generic ones, then I will be tempted to regard it as vandalism. Grutness...wha? 08:05, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm awful sorry for the damages caused with my cut-and-paste editions. As you can see, I'm a beginner here!.

I was trying to put a little order in the category Catalonia, and I have created a "Geography of Catalonia" category. Changing categorization, some articles were pasted with a generical geo-stub. (Not all them).

I'll try to continue this work more accurately.

Your proposal of creating a "Catalonia-related stub" sounds pretty. It's possible, for an article, have more than a stub?, or this should be useful only for new ones?

--Joan sense nick 12:31, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi again - you wrote: I'm awful sorry for the damages caused with my cut-and-paste editions. As you can see, I'm a beginner here! ...Your proposal of creating a "Catalonia-related stub" sounds pretty. It's possible, for an article, have more than a stub?, or this should be useful only for new ones?

yes, up to three stub templates is usually regarded as OK (sometimes it's needed). More than that and the article begins to look messy, though, so more than three is discouraged. As to a Catalonia-related stub, I'll propose one at WP:WSS/P and let you know what happens (it usually takes about a week for it to be debated). I must admit that there are fewer Spain-related stubs than I thought, so it might not get accepted, but it probably will be. If it is, then geography articles would be double stubbed with catalonia-stub and Spain-geo-stub, and biographies would be double stubbed with catalonia-stub and spain-bio-stub. Things simply marked spain-stub could have that replaced with catalonia-stub, though. That way editors searching for items on geography or people in general would still be able to find the stubs, but those looking for specifically Catalan items would also be able to find them. Sorry to have been so grumpy in my last message! :) Grutness...wha? 00:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi again - I was just about to create the stub and found you'd done it! A couple of minor points though:

1. please remember to double-stub geography and biography items with spain-geo-stub or Spain-bio-stub - at least until such time that there are enough Catalan-specific ones for a Catalonia-geo-stub or Catalonia-bio-stub (not for quite some time, probably)
2. The category should have been Category: Catalonia stubs, not Category:Catalonia-related stubs - so it may need to be renamed. Grutness...wha? 07:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Just one question: wich is the difference between "Country-related stubs" and "Country stubs"? I picked up "Catalonia-related ..." from Category:Stubs by region, where there are examples in both styles. And... Are you waiting me to rename the category?, or better you'll do that?

No difference - but we're slowly changing over all the ones called "Foo-related stubs" since the main parent category in each case is simply called "Foo", not "Foo-related". And no, the stub-sorting wikiproject will change it - but it's got to go through a one week debate at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. (We should be able to speedy these, but we haven't got any speedy renaming guidelines yet. Grutness...wha? 02:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

OK. I'll not increase the size of this category till the rename process ends.

Thanks. That'll probably be on Saturday or Sunday. Grutness...wha? 08:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Minacious users

Hola Joan! Thanks for the link. I see that El Rei do not like us very much :-) Well, I hope that soon he will know how Wikipedia works, he will change his mind, reconsider his aggressive and threatening attitude, and start contributing in a sensible and positive way. If not, we migh ask admins for any proper action. Salut! Toniher 11:15, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

(in Spanish) More info in Spanish Wikipedia.

Tirant lo Blanc

Escolta, nen, és molt extrany que m'escrigues en anglés si ens podem entendre en la mateixa llengua pròpia. Bé, tot el que dius té prou de trellat, així que, si ho prefereixes, podem deixar ambdues plantilles. Per altra banda, això que s'ha de proposar un model d'esborrany abans d'anar fent-ho no ho sabia. M'ajudes a proposar-ho? El meu anglés no és gaire fort :\. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 17:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Kingdom of Aragon

Molt bé, endavant, si ja t'en ocupes tu, ja no cal que ho faci jo! (En tot cas crec que als vàndals tan és cridar-los o no, tenen prou interés a canviar la història, però la veritat és més tossuda!), --Friviere 10:32, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Antoni Gaudí

Hola, he visto los cambios que has hecho y me pregunté por qué cambiaste los nombres de las obras de Gaudí a inglés. Me parece que se deba escribir en su lengua original, pero quizá sabes mejor que yo. ¿Se habla de este tema en este sitio? Por todas maneras, te doy las gracias por la aportación y te lo agradecería si contribuyeras aun más, como catalana. Qué te vaya bien. - ElAmericano | talk 04:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hola. No creo haber cambiado los nombres de obras, sinó que he aportado algo de precisión en algunos casos. De todad formas, es buen criterio usar la lengua de la enciclopedia cuando sean palabras de uso común, y la lengua original en el resto (en este caso, el catalán). Así, creo preferible "Church of Sagrada Família" que "Esglèsia de la Sagrada Família" o "Church of the Holy Family". Aunque no siempre esta muy claro... como puedes ver en [1]. Por cierto, mi nombre Joan se traduce por Juan, no por Juana como en inglés :) Un saludo, --Joan sense nick 08:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Muchas gracias por la respuesta, te la agradezco. Y siento por haberte llamado como una chica. Como dices, en inglés, Joan sería chica. Cuídate - ElAmericano | talk 12:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

¿Es verdad lo que he leído, que en catalán, La Sagrada Familia sí lleva tilde en la primera i? Si sí, la dejo como está en el artículo, pero si no, la cambio. - ElAmericano | talk 05:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

the sylables of the word "família" in catalan are as follows: "fa-mi-li-a", with the stress on the second one. Thus it needs a stress mark. coco

Perdóname por no haberte contestado antes, es que hace un poco tiempo que no puedo contribuir aquí. (Mi IP fue obstruído, así que no podía aportar nada.) No me di cuenta eso de las categorias mias en el artículo de trabajo de Gaudí. Gracias por quitárselas. Y jamás las guardaré así. - ElAmericano | talk 22:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Escriptors catalans

Joan ets tú qui has proposat esborrar la categoria?--Friviere 11:54, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Jo penso que han de ser les dues: ho son a l'vikipèdia catalana, que eś la de referència per als escritors catalans, i a més a la vikipèdia en anglés també hi són les dues per als escriptors anglesos/en anglés.

• Jesús Moncada per a mi Mequinensa és Catalunya, i per tan és un escriptor català i en català.--Friviere 15:23, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Catalan negationism

Ho podries revisar?--Paco ✉ 10:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

1) Doncs a History of Spain ho ha posat en Kaliz! 2) Pots canviar el títol, si ho creus oportú, i el que vulguis. 3) Si the old institutions of the old Crown of Aragon, (jo no dic la Corona d'Aragó) les va abolir Felip V, per què : - Creació dels Mossos d'Esquadra - 1719? [2]--Paco ✉ 19:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Greetings from Puerto Rico

¡Hola, Joan sense nick! He visto que hemos coincidido en varios artículos. Gracias por responder en la discusión sobre Cataluña. Yo colaboro principalmente en las wikipedias en castellano e inglés, que son dos lenguas que hablo prácicamente al mismo nivel, y además me paso de vez en cuando a la catalana para aprender y poner en práctica la lengua, haciendo ediciones menores aquí y allá. Como dije, me interesan mucho los temas relacionados a Cataluña. Surgió de pura casualidad ese interés, luego de un viaje a Europa que hice hace unos años, pero el resultado de ello ha sido que he descubierto tenemos mucho en común los puertorriqueños con los catalanes. Una gran porción de la población de Puerto Rico es descendiente de mallorquines, que si mal no recuerdo, son un pueblo de clara influencia catalana. Creo que la mayor parte conexión Catalunya-Puerto Rico pasa por Mallorca. No sé si has visto el programa "Afers Exteriors" de TV3 sobre Puerto Rico, en el que explican una parte de esa realidad. Pero hay mucho más.

Nada, mi punto es que una parte fundamental del legado cultural de Puerto Rico (y Cuba aun más) la compone la influencia del mundo catalanoparlante, cosa que hubiera sido imposible si Cataluña no fuese, para bien o para mal, parte de España. Porque en la última etapa del Imperio Español en América, las inversiones catalanas en la industria del azúcar en estas dos últimas colonias se hicieron dominantes en la economía colonial cubana y bastante influyentes en la puertorriqueña (Puerto Rico se dedicaba más a la producción de café y tabaco, industrias dominadas por mallorquines y corsos, que al azúcar, que era más vinculado a los catalanes, ej. los nombres de los rones). Hay un muy estrecho vínculo entre la industria del azúcar caribeña y la industrialización de Catalunya, que no sé si ha explorado en esta enciclopedia.

Pero bueno, creo que me excedí un poco en mi saludo. Espero colaborar contigo y otros wikipedistas catalanes, valencianos y mallorquines más a menudo. Saludos. -- Mankawabi 23:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

History of Catalonia

Is there any chance you can answer Talk:History_of_Catalonia#.22Prohibited.22 question about a recent insertion in this article? Or know who could? - Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

That template, again

You might want to weigh in at Talk:Joan_Miró#Removal_Catalan_speaking_world_box. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Catalonia

If you need help regarding moves, deletions or things like that on Catalonia related articles, just tell me. I recently rescued Category:Catalan poets and Category:Catalan writers from deletion. Catalonia is a nation, and I hope someday it will be free. Regards! Afonso Silva 11:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

~ Ferran.cabrer (Joan si us plau pot revisar la definició de Catalunya a catalonia (EN) sobretot l'apartat d'autonomia, i no es diu res del domini .CAT com a comunitat

Xueta

Is there any chance you might be able to help out with Xueta? It's a mess. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Me temo que no puedo aportar mucho en este tema. Ciertamente, el articulo es muy confuso. Creo que una traducción al inglés del articulo en catalan o español (son la misma fuente) seria mejor.

Tal vez te interesen estos enlaces, [3] , [4].

Saludos, --Joan sense nick 02:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Grácias. Ahora misma, falto el tiempo para traducirle, pero creo que sea una buena idea. - Jmabel | Talk 02:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Xueta/translation in progress, help would be appreciated. - Jmabel | Talk 07:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Disculpa, soc l’autor de l’article Xuetes en català, i no se anglès suficient Te faré alguns aclariments als dubtes que s'hi plantejen, la major part del text està escrit per penjar-lo a la discussió però no n'he sabut:

St. Felip Neri és el convent mercedari de Palma que, lògicament, té una església adjunta.

El capellà Mosca fou un sacerdot de nom Josep Aguiló, alies Capellà Mosca.

La importància de l’episodi radica en que el simple fet que dit sacerdot fes el sermó litúrgic o homilia, cosa que succeïa per primera vegada des del s. XVII com a mínim, dugué com a conseqüència un avalot popular que culminà en la crema i destrucció de la trona per destruir la seva impuresa (la trona és un lloc elevat a l’interior de les esglésies, normalment de fusta, on es feien les prèdiques per tal que es facilités l’audició). A l’època hi hagué bastants episodis d’alteració de l’ordre pel tema xueta, però vaig seleccionar aquest per les seves connotacions religioses, ja que aquest ha estat un dels àmbits on la discriminació ha perseverat més. El tema dels sacerdoci dels xuetes és bastant complex si no es coneix bé el funcionament antic del sacerdoci, pero resumint, es podia ser sacerdot però no realitzar totes les funcions pastorals i això és el que passava amb els capellans xuetes y l’episodi del Capellà Mosca fou una alteració de l’”estatu quo” que provocà disturbis.

Lliura

Veig que també hi ha dubtes sobre el significat de l’expressió “relaxat”. Relaxat és equivalent a la pena de mort. En realitat es una reducció de l’expressió completa “relaxat al braç secular”, eufemisme que reflectia que la pena no era aplicada pròpiament per la Inquisició sinó que es lliurava al condemnat a les autoritats civils que eren els que l'aplicaven. Aquestes però, tenien l’obligació d’executar-la i no hi havia alternativa. A vegades es confon l’execució a la foguera amb l’Acte de Fe (en castellà Auto de fe), però en realitat els Actes de Fe eren una cerimònia religiosa de lectura de les sentencies i altres rituals, que en el cas de la relaxació es celebrava prèviament. L’altra pena major era la de la “reconciliació” que suposava el retorn a l’església, la confiscació de bens i, en alguns casos la pena de presó i/o penes corporals. La reconciliació es duia a terme durant l’Acte de Fe.

Lliura

Gràcies per la teva ajuda

Lliura

Crown of Aragon

You might want to look in on Crown of Aragon. It was recently quite a mess. I've done some cleanup, but I think there are still a lot of issues (which I've raised on its talk page). - Jmabel | Talk 03:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Riu Ripoll article

I saw you removed some categories. Ask it in the talk page before doing any change the next time. Onofre Bouvila 16:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Què vols que et digui... a mi em mola com està. Lo de les categories és un lio, perquè n'hi ha milers, potser desenes de milers, i és impossible saber si una està dins d'una altra, o com va tot (bé, impossible no és, pero vamos... és un cacao). Per això opto per fer el següent: si tenim un arbre de categories del tipus:

Categoria 1 - Categoria 1.2 - Categoria 1.2.5 - Categoria 1.2.5.3 - Categoria 1.2.5.3.12 - etc

Aleshores opto per posar les categories més significatives:

Categoria 1 - Categoria 1.2 - Categoria 1.2.5 - Categoria 1.2.5.3 - Categoria 1.2.5.3.12 - etc -------> Per exemple...

El criteri de la Wikipèdia no me l'ha explicat ningú (bé, tu i uns quants més, pero vamos...), però el que és clar és que lo de les categories és extremadament confús. Per això poso les més importants i ja està. Si les categories anessin bé, no hi hauria N pàgines amb llistes dels rius més importants, etc.

En resum, que penso que així ja està bé, ressaltant les categories més significatives i ja està. De fet si t'hi pares a pensar, tal i com ho dius tu, dins la categoria Rivers of Europe, per exemple, no hauria d'haver-hi cap riu, perquè tots fittegerien dins de subcategories més específiques, però llavors és que tampoc té cap gràcia...

Per cert, si et vols passar per l'article de War of the Spanish Succession i donar support a l'addició dels bàndols Austriacista i Borbònic (o Filipista) a la warbox, estaia força bé, perquè cada cop que ho faig, i per més que intento explicar-me, em desfan tots els canvis. Hi ha un parell de discussions creades a la talk page: Aquest és un post que vaig fer jo, però del qual han sudat i n'han començat un altre: aquest. Onofre Bouvila 00:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok weno, treuré algunes categories, però xq vegis lo que et dic, mira't l'article del Thames, fins i tot articles tant rellevants com aquest presenten aquest tipus de categorització que jo et deia: està al mateix temps dins la categoria directament de Rivers of England i a 4 o 5 subcategories de rius de regions d'Anglaterra, que es troben incloses dins la categoria de Rivers of England. L'article Amazon river, tres quarts del mateix: es troba dins d'una categoria anomenada Amazon que al mateix temps conté una altra anomenada Amazon Basin, on també s'hi troba l'article Amazon River, etc, etc, etc. Sé que és una enciclopèdia però el que vaig fer tampoc és res de l'altre món, és força comú. Onofre Bouvila 14:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

hello, can you help?

I am trying to write in Catalan but I think it is wrong!

English: The holder of this card has autism (which includes Asperger syndrome). Autism is a disability that affects social and communication skills. People with autism may behave npredictably because they have difficulty understanding social situations and language. Please help by showing understanding and tolerance.

Catalan: El portador d'aquesta targeta és una persona autista (incloent la Síndrome de Asperger). L'Autisme és una discapacitat que afecta les habilitats socials i de comunicació. Les persones que pateixen d'Autisme poden comportar-se de manera impredictible a causa que tenen dificultat per entendre les situacions socials i el llenguatge. Per favor ajudi a la persona autista demostrant comprensió i tolerància.

If you can help, I would be very grateful. Chronic The Wedgehog 21:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Catalonia

No crec que en revertir a la versió que proposa Maurice sigui "easier wording to reach a consensus". En revertir a la versió d'una de les parts involucrades en el debat sense oferir res més, no es pot considerar com a consens. El consens hauria de ser una versió que inclogui les propostes de tots. Em sembla que dir que Catalunya és una comunitat autònoma reconeguda com a nacionalitat és la versió més neutral. Però,si tens una altra proposta, fes-la a la pàgina de discussió. --the Dúnadan 14:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for arbitration

Please be aware that there is a request for arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Catalonia_and_Valencian_Community concerning some articles in which you have participated. --the Dúnadan 02:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Catalonia Request

Please, could you check this? Thanks --Owdki ^talk 16:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Impru20^talk 21:51, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Catalonia shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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August 2018

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:05, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Refer to edits and editors that you don't agree with as vandalism and vandals again and the next block will be longer. You need to follow WP:BRD. That is, more discussion and a lot less reverts. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

OK, user:NeilN, I understand. I'll will not refer it as vandalism. And I'll wait until my blocking period expires.

But I don't agree in the reference to my contribution as "disruptive editing". I only added a link with additional info. This link, I think, is not biased, it consists in a graphic memory geolocation project. No opinions, just video and photo memories. Check it out: [5].

The articles on Catalonia are hidding (censoring) any references of the police's use of violence. Some users are reverting contributions, refering to it as "lack of NPOV". But they are really imposing his own (anti independence) POV. I am just asking administrators to do not help to prevail one of the two (legitimate) positions.

Joan sense nick (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

The disruptive editing refers to the edit warring and calling good-faith editors vandals. See WP:DRR for acceptable dispute resolution mechanisms. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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