User talk:Indigenous girl/Archive 2

A bowl of strawberries for you!

You may be overwhelmed, but you're doing just fine. :) - CorbieV☊ 16:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

<3 Indigenous girl (talk) 17:07, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Other State issues

Can you check out the other groups listed here: Wampanoag people#Wampanoag state-recognized tribes? - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 21:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing. It's going to have to wait a little bit but I'll get on it tonight or tomorrow afternoon.Indigenous girl (talk) 21:36, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Need help with categorizing spirit beings

Could really use input. See my recent contribs and discussion here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America#Category help Thanks! - CorbieV^☊☼ 15:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, this is still an issue, and now I think someone is undoing the improvements I tried to make: Category talk:Deities of the indigenous peoples of North America#"Deities" is inaccurate. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 00:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Ljlight, sandbox, Medicine Man article

Ian (Wiki Ed), this specific sandbox pertains to a class assignment. I am not going to do Ljlight's work. I infact did provide a link showing who the authentic Cherokee are. Did you look at the sources backing up the claims Ljlight has made? The sources in no way back up proposed edits/additions. There are inaccuracies in locations listed for specific tribes. I feel it is important to maintain the integrity of the pedia. I kindly made suggestions toward accuracy and they were ignored. I beg to differ regarding the need to develop thick skin to edit. People will not agree, edits are regularly challenged and reverted. With regard to dishonesty, if refs do not back up (proposed) changes and this type of documenting is used throughout the article to attempt to try and prove a point and solidify one's changes I respectfully ask an alternative term to use. I am not trying to be confrontational, I honestly would like the recommendation of an alternative term. Ljlight publicly asked for critique. Critique was provided and promptly ignored with the exception of one source. If you would like to discuss this further please take this to my talk page. I was asked not to comment further and I respect that.Indigenous girl (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

I think you need to ping him, like this: @Ian (Wiki Ed): for him to get the notification.

Ian, I am also disturbed by what some of these student editors are doing, not just this editor or this project, but in several cases where they have picked Indigenous-related articles to rewrite. If their test edits just stay in the sandbox, and then are deleted when they are done with their class, that is their right to test out editing that way. But other students who have stated the same objectives as @Ljlight: have gone ahead and dominated talk pages and tried to put this unacceptable content in. Lj expressed that intent to completely rewrite, and asked for feedback. I am concerned that some of these students seem to be learning about the nuts and bolts of how to edit a page, without simultaneously learning about working in collaboration with experienced editors. Most of them seem to only be here to pass their class, not to become Wikipedians. I don't think that serves the 'pedia.

It becomes especially concerning when a student says they are going to completely rewrite their chosen article, then they demonstrate they aren't knowledgeable enough on the topic to do any such thing, and they are unable to accept feedback. If you think the feedback was inappropriate, I must gently suggest that you pay closer attention to the type of edits that are being suggested, as well as the feedback from the course instructor (@Nagornyp:). Students, or any user, who attempt to edit mainspace, or express their intent to do so, have to be as competent as any other editor, or all it does is place a strain on the WP community and waste the time and resources of those who have to clean it up.

The feeback I gave on the sandbox page was intended to help the student, as well as the 'pedia. The student was clearly going down the wrong road for the article, and I thought it was best that they know this before proceeding to do a lot of writing and formatting that would never be suitable for inclusion in the article they wanted to rewrite. Best, - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 18:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

While not about the same articles, that I can see offhand, there are some similar concerns being posted here: Wikipedia talk:Education program. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 19:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

I put a lot of the responsibility onto the instructor, they need to do more than say "go edit a wikipedia article." Montanabw^(talk) 06:09, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

The students are given handouts or pdfs that are supposed to explain things. The student do not seem to be reading the material and the instructors and volunteers who work with these kids need to seriously step up. There are evidently complaints about this program going back a couple of years. It's not fair that editors are expected to do clean up and we should not be criticized for trying to prevent it before it happens. In the Totem Pole article as well as Gender roles among the indigenous peoples of North America Corbie has had to do repeated clean up. I'm sure there are thousands of other articles that need clean up now due to the program. It appears that many of these kids simply get credit for vandalizing. Specifically with the Medicine Man article there is complete disregard for First Nation, the Iroquois are listed as a tribe even though the actual article Iroquois article shows it's a confederacy, sources do not back up statements, the Cheyennes land base is inaccurate and that's all I can think of off hand with no coffee yet. Indigenous girl (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Trust me, I know. [1], [2]. I just revert it and sometimes if I'm seriously pissed, I chew out the instructor. Montanabw^(talk) 06:03, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@Nagornyp: @Ian (Wiki Ed):, the pic being used in the sandbox by your student for sage is a pic of salvia officinalis which is native to the Mediterranean and northern Africa. The ref used for sage regarding "effectiveness" has nothing to do with indigenous use, it's about cooking/garden/common sage. You can actually read the ref for free here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222082108_Antioxidant_activities_of_polyphenol_from_sage_Salvia_officinalis The sandboxed article doesn't mention the actual indigenous sage varieties. Ljlight also neglects to mention First Nations Peoples, instead repeatedly using Native American and ignoring the preferred term in Canada while linking to Nations in Canada. Indigenous girl (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people of self-identified Cherokee ancestry

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I don't understand. I haven't brought up firearms at all. I don't recall having ever edited anything about firearms actually.Indigenous girl (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I meant to use the BLP notice. I've fixed it. –dlthewave ☎ 18:13, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up! I was very confused and truly appreciate it. Could you please explain to me what specifically I am doing that may be considered inappropriate? I do not believe I have said anything inflammatory about anyone on the list and the refs I have provided (specifically on Durham) are all from reputable sources. Indigenous girl (talk) 18:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

It's just a notification that can be given to anyone editing in this area, not meant to imply any wrongdoing. The Durham refs look good to me, thanks for adding them. –dlthewave ☎ 20:33, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clarifying! No prob on the Durham refs, there's so many it was difficult to choose which ones but I felt that the ones I included were the most specific.Indigenous girl (talk) 20:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

dlthewave You missed a bunch of people with the BLP thing! If I can figure out how to post the thing you posted on my page do you want me to post them on the other peoples pages too? I can probably do it in the morning.Indigenous girl (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

And I would credit you of course. I can just say I'm helping you.Indigenous girl (talk) 22:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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Well, I guess it doesn't matter now since the article is gone. I wish people had taken the time to understand the necessity and purpose of the topic instead of freaking out. Oh well. Life goes on. Thanks for all the clarifications you've provided.Indigenous girl (talk) 04:43, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

OA reversions

Simply blanking reversions without an edit summary goes against policies on reversion. Given that you've left no edit summary, there is little I can address to assuage your concerns and I'm reverting. If you object to the reversion, please leave a reason either in the edit summary or talk page so we can discuss & work toward consensus. Buffs (talk) 19:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Not sure why my summary didn't show up though it was likely human error.Indigenous girl (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Accidents happen. WP:AGF reigns supreme! :-) I appreciate the discussion on the talk page. Buffs (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate you bringing it here :) Indigenous girl (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft of M.D.

It's coming along well. Let me know if you want any input before it goes live. Otherwise I'll just wait 'til it's in mainspace. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 20:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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Essay on Indigenous identity

Hi - your input would be welcomed at User:Vizjim/Indigenous_American_identity. As I said on the Wikiproject page, I am not the right person to pronounce on Indigenous identity, but I thought I might as well make a start and then hope for input from Native editors such as yourself.Vizjim (talk) 10:38, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Vizjim, I'll give some feedback on a couple of days at most. I'm sick right now. I do think it's an excellent idea! Indigenous girl (talk) 11:06, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Get well soon! Vizjim (talk) 11:11, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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Would you be interested in helping cleanup

Hi IG, would you be interested in helping me cleanup Sexual victimization of Native American women I have another project that is going to take priority today and just wanted to ask really quick before I have to get back to other important things. As far as I can tell the sources are there but there does appear to be a lot of WP:OR. I wanted to cleanup this thing up months ago but too much has happened that has slowed me down to clean it up. Again I'm not 100% sure what is properly sourced and what isn't, but it needs to be fixed or odds are the article will be deleted. Have a great day ttylMcelite (talk) 20:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I would love to help! I won't be able to get to it until morning and then have a meeting in the afternoon from 12 to probably 5ish. Hope all is well with you :) Indigenous girl (talk) 23:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)::::

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Some of the content/comments are troubling. Indigenous girl (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. But then others were refreshing. Have some camo duct tape. Cue Keith Secola. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 18:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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Camp Algonkin

I'm not sure I understand your question or why you placed it on Buffs' talk page. El_C 13:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I had said on his talk page that I would refrain from editing on Scouting articles with the exception of a handful that I already started working on. I have not yet started on Camp Algonkin and did not want to start after having said I wouldn't. I am trying to be as transparent as possible, I do not want to give the impression that I am trying to be disruptive or to be harassing Buffs by working on additional articles in his current area of concentration. Indigenous girl (talk) 13:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Had they edited the article before? It's probably best not to comment on their talk page with these notices while they're blocked. El_C 13:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

They have not edited the article before. I will refrain from commenting on their page any further. What should I do if GMG responds to the answer I gave to his question? I don't mind waiting to respond to any additional questions until the block is complete. I just want to make sure that is the correct course of action. Indigenous girl (talk) 13:51, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Just take to GMG's talk page, if need be. It's just not appropriate for you to linger on Buffs' talk page at this point in time. El_C 14:00, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Okay :) Thank you. Indigenous girl (talk) 14:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

About editing the articles for which you have sourcing: IG, Your strength since you started on WP has been consulting as a cultural expert, along with your encyclopedic knowledge of where to find sources - in multiple fields. That's why those of us who ask you to come consult and collaborate do so. Adding sources to articles has always been a major part of what you've done here. While I truly understand your desire to de-escalate the drama here, I am also dismayed to see you suggesting that you refrain from editing due to it. This situation is not your fault. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 23:50, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

The content I found regarding Camp Algonkin would absolutely escalate things because it is horrible and should be noted without a doubt. The appropriation issue regarding the content is secondary and doesn't even really need mentioning in an appropriation sense because it would take away from the seriousness of what happened there. I have a legal source to link to as well as an additional one but it could very well get push back because of how atrocious it is. Maybe in a few weeks or something if the atmosphere is somewhat copacetic. Indigenous girl (talk) 00:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

American Indian creationism

Does the article even look like it can be salvaged? Most of it is sourced to this site, which is not WP:RS as it cites zero sources; I don't think it's usable. I don't have time to go over all of it right now, but I think it might need to be gutted back to a stub, then merged into one of the other articles, like Native American religions. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 23:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I kind of feel like I don't even want to poke at it. It seems creepy to me in that it reads as though it is from an anthropological perspective as opposed to an indigenous perspective. I'm pretty wiped, it's like a billion degrees here and I'm concerned that I could make a mistake and get accused of something or other intentionally. Indigenous girl (talk) 23:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I took a run at it. There's not much left once I took out the stuff that wasn't properly sourced. What's there to merge into Deloria is already covered there more fairly and concisely. I think this might have been an attempt to fork off stuff someone knew they couldn't get to stick there. I'm not even sure there needs to be a section on creation stories in the religions article, either. They're probably better suited for the individual culture articles, anyway. It's overly-reliant on one source, and mostly attacking strawmen. It's OK. It won't be hard to fix from here on in. I'm just surprised no one brought it to the attention of anyone who could fix it before now. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 01:36, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Influenced by Hinduism? I don't understand that part nor the influenced by christianity part. There are early contact documents containing creation stories and there are pre-contact petroglyphs depicting creation stories. Regarding the over reliance on the Bering Straight theory and virtually all archaeologists supporting it, I beg to differ -

• https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/new-research-sinks-bering-strait-land-bridge-theory-8t7XOT96_UCrU1ZuHobyrg/
• https://www.voanews.com/usa/native-americans-call-rethink-bering-strait-theory
• https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/10/earliest-americans-could-not-have-arrived-by-dry-land-study-indicates
• https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/humans-colonized-americas-along-coast-not-through-ice-180960103/
• https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/the-death-of-the-bering-strait-theory-cpHdFoIDpESCDCTpOe7q6w/
• https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ice-free-corridor-north-americans-1.3715397

Some of the diffs were really painful to read and having our Creation Stories mocked is really hurtful. And H. David Brumble is problematic. There are far better. less embarrassing critics. I think it would have been better to have cited anthropologists and archaeologists to make the point as opposed to an English professor. An English professor that uses words like "peyotist" and "shamans", what the heck is a peyotist? I think he means a practitioner of the Native American Church. At the time he wrote American Indian Autobiography, respectable anthros and archaeologists were moving away from the term "shaman". And Eskimo. He uses the word Eskimo. It's troubling that the article made Traditional People out to be wackadoos. Yes, Deloria and his stegosaurus comment was problematic but that does not make all Tradition Keepers who know and share Creation Stories are a wacked out equivalent of bible thumpers. It is deeply disturbing that the stories in the article couldn't even be sourced from the websites of specific Nations. There's hundreds of Nations and hundreds of websites. What ever. Indigenous girl (talk) 02:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Also the anti-NAGPRA sentiments in the sources. Misrepresenting the necessity of NAGPRA and our THPOs as creationists out to make the lives of archaeologists and anthropologists difficult in order to push a conspiratorial creationist agenda is reprehensible and irresponsible. The sources neglected to mention the number of remains repatriated that lacked cultural patrimony. It is minimal in comparison. Indigenous girl (talk) 20:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

COI Notice

Thanks for stating your concern about my potential COI. How, from your perspective, should I resolve this? I am indeed teaching students to write for Wikipedia. The students choose their subjects; occasionally they draw from the website Dawnland Voices, which I help edit, but I do not receive any financial or other compensation for that work. Should I be noting my association with that project when I make edits on students' pages related to Dawnland authors? Am I incorrect in thinking that it is actually quite common for scholars to edit Wiki pages on topics where they have expertise?Ssenier (talk) 00:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ssenier, thanks for responding. Driving traffic to your site is still a COI, whether you profit from it financially or not.

You and your students still have a relationship in some manner with the individuals highlighted on your website and that violates COI. You can easily remedy this but either disclosing the COI (there are templates) or choosing not to create or edit articles where there is a conflict. It is of course common to edit in a field of one's expertise however conflicts of interest (having a connection to individuals who's articles you are contributing to for example) must be disclosed per Wikipedia policy. There are consequences if one does not. Indigenous girl (talk) 01:24, 3 May 2019 (UTC) Thank you for the speedy reply! I will investigate these templates and try to retrace some of what I did!Ssenier (talk) 01:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Ssenier you're very welcome! Could you also please inform your students that LinkedIn is not a reliable source? I believe I caught all of the current articles it was used in so just for future reference :) Indigenous girl (talk) 02:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Indigenous girl: did this situation get resolved? - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 20:56, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@CorbieVreccan: honestly I have not checked lately. Last I checked there was no disclosure on their page. I'm pretty sure I ended up doing the fixes on the COI issues I found. I'm sure there are ones I missed. Indigenous girl (talk) 21:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Translator's note on OA

Are you OK with my moving the translator's note up to the section on the linguistics? I should have checked with you first. Feel free to move it back, or I will, if you want it in chronological order. It seemed logical to me to put it with the other linguistics notes, for the record of anyone checking those sources. With all the chaos, tl;dr, and insertion of out-of-order comments on that page, it's been hard to keep track of anything. It was out of character for me to do that without asking. I was tired and frustrated with the disruption that had gone on. My apologies. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 19:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I should have added it there myself. The talk page for the article is a complete mess. Indigenous girl (talk) 19:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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AN discussion

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Wabanaki Confederacy "Flag"

I forget, what's the deal with this: File:Flag of the Wabanaki Confederacy.png. It's been added and removed (and added and removed) from articles. If it's bogus, I'll put it up for deletion. - CorbieV ^☊ ☼ 18:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

There is more than one flag covering two geographical areas. The one that was added is not legit. Indigenous girl (talk) 19:04, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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Big Green Sky

I listened to the audio file. It was a radio interview, despite being listed as a video. I was able to source some content from that. But I'm surprised I couldn't find any reviews or other third-party coverage. I didn't necessarily believe it was "exploitative" - it's just without any significant coverage to use for sourcing how can we know? Let me know if you know of any other coverage of this. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for your post at St. Joseph's Indian School

Thanks for your post at St. Joseph's Indian School. I think it was pretty clearly a talk page post and so I moved it from the article to talk. IMO the goal is an accurate and informative article. It would be great to have you join the party there.  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for moving my post! I'm not sure that an accurate article is possible as I see discounting of the abuse on the talk page as well as lack of understanding as to the fact that being Native is being a member of a Nation, tossing in racial descriptors is inflammatory and unnecessary :) I'm happy to provide sources but I will not be editing, I'm still reeling from the 215 dead children found in unmarked graves at the Catholic residential school in Kamloops. My cousin is a residential school survivor and he is only a year older than myself, the abuse is not ancient history. I have other friends and relatives that are survivors as well. Seeing the abuse discounted as being the same as a sassy sibling being whacked by a nun is stunningly insensitive to the real life trauma people have endured at St Joe's and other schools bent on assimilation. St Joe's did not begin to incorporate Lakota language until the 1980s, in the grand scheme of things, that wasn't very long ago. While they may have had an annual powwow since the 1970s that doesn't mean much, had the children been at home they would have been exposed to tradition and culture far more often than an annual powwow (which was not held in a spiritual context). There is now, for example, a sweatlodge on the school property, that was built two years ago. The traditional ceremony isn't quite so traditional however as Catholicism is included. The school may have medicine wheels in classrooms and housing however they are not called medicine wheels, they are referred to as the Circle of Courage. Changing the name of a sacred symbol is...odd and discomforting and certainly not conducive to the non-assimilation narrative. Faculty alleges that speaking ones Native language was illegal until the 1970s, this simply isn't true - spiritual practices were illegal. That school is a mess, it's always been a mess. People should know that it's a mess. I'm not going to deal with edit warring bent pro-Catholics. Indigenous girl (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. My own role is usually as a dispassionate logical analyzer. My post about my brothers was only to make the statement that rough or even abuseiveschooling does not automatically equate to assimilation. IMO the article should not be driven by being a "quest" for anybody on either "side" nor reactionary to such. IMO we should just try to make it accurate and informative. So we we should not suppress anything that provides real information about the school. I value and encourage your presence there even I may question a few points with you. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree that abusive schooling does not equal assimilation. However, preventing children from speaking their language and eliminating or distorting tradition and culture do :) The article should absolutely be accurate. It should include the fact that it did participate, until recently, in assimilation practices. It does the public no benefit to attempt to erase or gloss over facts. The school is now a Catholic boarding school with no known recent acts of overt abuse and it has tried to be a bit more proactive in providing a cultural atmosphere (though renaming a sacred symbol is seriously messed up and bizarre). There has been no controversy for a few years aside from the school's attorney attempting to suppress compensation to abuse survivors. Which is pretty bad but at least, as far as we know, the abuse has stopped. I really don't have the fortitude at this time to rebutt pro-Catholic sentiment on the talk page. I hope you understand. Here is a link that provides information regarding language and cultural immersion at the school https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/43427/this-unique-catholic-school-has-served-native-american-students-since-1927 Here is a link from Nation Parks Services that absolutely includes Saint Josephs as an assimilation based school https://www.nps.gov/articles/the-carlisle-indian-industrial-school-assimilation-with-education-after-the-indian-wars-teaching-with-historic-places.htm If I have time I can provide more links tomorrow. Indigenous girl (talk) 03:31, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Overall, I'm with you in spirit. And I don't want any facts suppressed, quite the opposite. (BTW not that it matters, but in case you are wondering if I have a Catholic bias, I'm an atheist.) Wikipedia goes by sourcing, and the reality is that the only sourcing we have for the early decades of the school is the https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/43427/this-unique-catholic-school-has-served-native-american-students-since-1927 article. IMO the best and hugest thing you could possibly do regarding the situation about the article is find accessible sourcing that specifically talks about it in its early decades of existence.

There is a pretty clear cut error in that map. It says 1892, which is from the assimilation era but St. Josephs did not exist until 1927. Presumably they are referring to Chamberlain Indian School which closed in 1907.North8000 (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Um, the map is from 1892. Saint Joes is not the only school listed that post dates the map. Fort Bidwell, Rapid City Indian School, Tomah Indian School, and Mount Pleasant Indian Industrial all post-date 1892. It's pretty clear that you don't understand why the 1892 map was used and that's okay! 1892 is the year Col. Pratt gave his famous speech that included,"A great general has said that the only good Indian is a dead one, and that high sanction of his destruction has been an enormous factor in promoting Indian massacres. In a sense, I agree with the sentiment, but only in this: that all the Indian there is in the race should be dead. Kill the Indian in him, and save the man." Indigenous girl (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I was going more by the heading which was "Indian Reservations and American Indian Boarding Schools, 1892." and which lists St. Joseph's in the key under the map. And (given that 1892 was in the assimilation era) the conclusion that you derived from it when you gave it as a basis for your "absolutely includes Saint Josephs as an assimilation based school" statement. I sure wish we could find more sourcing for the early decades of the school. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

As I posted on the talk page, there's some significant information on the school's website. I also have a couple of other things to check but it won't be for a bit. Indigenous girl (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Cool. North8000 (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hi IG, did not mean to step on your toes with Lenape, but I believe the previous version was more balanced. I'm done if you need to make changes. Thanks, Yuchitown (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

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