User talk:Hydroxonium/Archive 2

Registration at toolserver for ACC account creation interface

I have requested an account on the ACC account creation interface at the toolserver. Thanks for your consideration. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 14:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I have approved you request for ACC tool access. Welcome to ACC. It is very helpful to join the ACC IRC channel at irc://freenode/wikipedia-en-accounts. You must read and understand the ACC guide here: Wikipedia:Request an account/Guide. If you have any question please ask in the IRC channel, that's what it's used for. Again Welcome and see you there. Mlpearc powwow 15:43, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you -      Hydroxonium (talk) 15:55, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Autowotsit

Hello, this is just to let you know that I have granted you the "autopatrolled" permission. This won't affect your editing, it just automatically marks any page you create as patrolled, benefiting new page patrollers. Please remember:

• This permission does not give you any special status or authority
• Submission of inappropriate material may lead to its removal
• You may wish to display the {{Autopatrolled}} top icon and/or the {{User wikipedia/autopatrolled}} userbox on your user page
• If, for any reason, you decide you do not want the permission, let me know and I can remove it

If you have any questions about the permission, don't hesitate to ask. Otherwise, happy editing! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. -      Hydroxonium (talk) 01:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrol rights

Could you point me to an explanation of what these are? I stumbled upon Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Autopatrolled_candidates_2. It doesn't have a link to such a page and am just wondering. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 18:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Basically it means that when you creat a new article, it doesn't go through New page patrol. New page patrol checks new articles for things like notablility, verifiability and other basic requirements that Wikipedia artciles need to meet. You can read more about Autopatrol here and new page patrol here. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 18:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Might want to have the powers that be put such links on the canidates page for the likes of me. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 19:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

You may want to apply for Autopatrol rights at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled. It doesn't give you any tools or anything, it just helps reduce the burden at New page patrol. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 19:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm more a maintainer than a creator, so it is probably not worth it. As one who isn't as close to this part of WP than you, I'm only suggesting an improvement in communicating this feature's existence. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 21:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. Will do. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 21:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrol lists

You're welcome, but thank you for compiling the lists: it's much easier to go through a list of users to evaluate than going out searching for users to grant the rights to! Acalamari 20:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I replied on your talk page. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 20:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

• I've pretty much completed the fifth list. I assume that there will be more to come, but thanks again for making those lists: you really did make our jobs a lot easier by providing them. Best. Acalamari 15:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

You are most welcome, but I must thank you. Making the lists is just tedious. Reviewing is much more difficult and requires much more knowledge and experience. Yes, there should be some more coming. There are a couple of guys working on it. When it is completed, I will put it up on a similar page. Thanks again for your efforts. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 17:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

A token of my appreciation

		The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		For making the jobs of countless new page patrollers easier by compiling all those lists of editors eligible for autopatrolled. You've done a great service to Wikipedia. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Be sure to ping me when you have the next lot ready. Btw, it would be great if the database report could run on a regular basis (maybe monthly or every six weeks?) so we could be working through lists of a handful of editors rather than the best part of 500! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, HJ Mitchell. I'll leave you a note when the next set is up. I'll ask the guys to run the report monthly. Thanks again. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 18:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Cheers! If it's possible to have it skip users who were on one of the three most recent lists (ie someone who was declined on January's wouldn't show up on February's list), that would save a lot of duplication of effort by declining the same people over and over! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:09, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and asked. That may be more difficult to do as the report is a query to the database and I'm not sure if the query could access Wikipedia pages. If it can't be done that way, I will make a request at WP:BOTREQ for a bot to do it as I think it would be much easier for a bot. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 18:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the barnstar, I appreciate it. I second the barnstar that HJ Mitchell gave to you. Please do let me know when the next lists arrive. Best. Acalamari 18:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll leave you a message when it's ready. And thank you for all those long hours. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 19:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I want to add my thanks, too. Thanks for sticking with the task, for boldly creating the list, and for seeing it through to completion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I have to say that HJ Mitchell and Acalamari did 99% of the work. We worked through all the old list, but there should be a new list coming out fairly soon. So we're still sort of a work in progress — I guess. Thanks again. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 23:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Couple of things

Hi Hydroxonium, just a couple of minor points about the new lists. First off, on the first of the new lists, I noticed several candidates that were declined by you. Will all the candidates from the previous lists be marked as declined on the new ones? If so, that will make things easier. Secondly, do you mind if I again use "Acalamari-II" to deliver the notices to grantings I make? I personally will find it easier to do a load of grantings, and at the end of the day/every two days, hand out the notices then (it may sound complicated, but to me it will actually be less difficult this way). Thanks in advance. Acalamari 09:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep, all of them. I'm checking the new list against the old one and marking the ones that were declined. I'm still learning how things work around here, so it's one of the few places I can contribute. I really appreciate your experience, help and support. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 09:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Any accont is fine by me. I just enjoy the help. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 09:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! That makes my work a lot easier. I'm starting to go through the lists now. Best. Acalamari 09:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm working through list 7 (I kept getting edit conflicts on 6), but I'm noticing a lot of editors who haven't created new articles in ages—some of them 5 or 6 years ago. Was it too fiddly to work my my 90 day suggestion in? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Done list 7 now. I must say, I like the new format—50 editors with their own section is a lot more manageable than 100 and no sections! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure about the 90 day filtering. Tim1357 did not think it was hard. I don't understand the source code but MZMcBride said it looked good. I've left a couple thank you's at Svick's talk page but haven't got a response. Maybe Svick is busy in real life — I'm not sure. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 19:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, bollocks. Looks like this was my fault and that I grabbed the report before Svick had time to tweak it. I'll start going through the candidates and add the date of their most recent creation. Please let me know if I'm giving you edit conflicts, as I'm on a 19.2Kbaud dialup connection and it takes a loooong time for each of my edits. I can skip jump to a page that you're not on. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 01:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

That would be great iff you have the time. I'm on 13 at the minute, so don't worry about that one. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the award

I think that maybe 'valued contributor' isn't an opinion shared by everyone, given my habit of plunging head-first into controversial issues, and likewise 'voice of reason' may be debatable. I try to be though, and it's nice to be noticed. I'll try to live up to it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

You're doing a great job and while I can't say I hang out everywhere you hang out, I often see you around. At the places I do spend time, you often say what I am feeling. So I appreciate you being here and I appreciate your input in many different discussions. Thanks again. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 01:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance. Feel free to chip in yourself though, and if you catch me overdoing the 'Grumpy' bit, don't be afraid to tell me to put a cork in it - my talk page currently has a message from a user complaining about me calling him a troll, followed by your award, which somehow looks a little incongruous - I think I'd better redact that comment, and apologise to him - it wasn't really deserved :( AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject External links/Webcitebot2

Maybe you should post about this on the external links noticeboard since WikiProject External Links is pretty much inactive these days. For what its worth, I think this is a good idea that should be developed and implemented quickly. Thanks for getting the ball rolling. ThemFromSpace 15:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 15:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT

Hi Hydroxonium,

This is user:Agradman. Unfortunately I'm on extended wikibreak (the bar exam is in three weeks!), and also I have no computer programming skills (my involvement in WebCiteBOT has been limited to nagging other people to do it, and also putting up a $35 bounty on the bounty board, which is still unclaimed I believe).

Anyhow, that's my excuse for not getting involved. But I'm really glad you've got the fire under this. This will be the most coolest thing to happen to Wikipedia since what we all wished pending changes COULD have been until it wasn't!!!!  :)

75.4.194.121 (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and thank you for putting up the bounty. Good luck with your exams. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 00:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thanks for inviting me to WebCiteBOT Replacement Task Force. Appreciate that very much. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:56, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

You are most welcome. I'd like to thank you for being interested in this issue. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺)

Oh yeah, Thanks for the cookies, too. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 01:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Jack Horkheimer: Stargazer

Hydroxonium:

Thanks a lot for the cookies. And, I am glad that I was able to help out with the "Jack Horkheimer: Stargazer" article. I'll contribute whatever I can in the future. At home, I have a lot of old videotapes of "Doctor Who" episodes which my brother used to record for me (from Iowa Public TV) when I was away to college years ago. The tapes often have "Star Hustler" episodes right before the show. Whenever I am feeling ambitious, I might be able to get a lot of older "Star Hustler" episode titles from those tapes. We will probably never get all of the titles; but, I can probably fill in a few gaps. Brianhass (talk) 01:01, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

WOW! That wouls be... AWESOME. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 06:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Bring on that bot

This is seriously boring! SmartSE (talk) 17:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm writing the RfC for Wikiwix as we speak (see prelim RfC). I do have a concern though. The Wikiwix solution could be a single point of failure, so I would like to see at least 2 solutions implemented. I'll write something on the task force talk page about it. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 17:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I have put up the RfC here, so we'll see how it goes. I would still like to see Δ's bot and Tim1357's bot archiving pages at WebCitation.org. Mainly because that adds archiveurl = and archivedate = to citations, which modifies the database and is permanent. As opposed to the Wikiwix solution which dissapears if the code is removed from MediaWiki:Common.js. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 16:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Hydroxonium, sorry for the belated response. I agree that the single point of failure is a bit concerning too and it would definitely be best if we could have two archive services rather than one. It's quite difficult to decide which solution is better though - I find the javascript for wikiwix a pretty elegant solution, since it doesn't add more code to articles and works without {{cite web}}. I'm a bit surprised at the opposition so far at the RfC, but hopefully we can find someway of implenting this. I'll comment at the RfC later on. SmartSE (talk) 11:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you (from Wrightaway)

Thank you for the award and for your nice words. It's good to know that my work is appreciated. Wrightaway (talk) 00:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I am replying at your talk page. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 00:41, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Draft RFCs

Since most (or was it all?) of the draft rfc's seemed to be loosely based on my ideas I penned my thoughts on the matters on each of the pages, but I have to be honest and say that I've never been a part of a draft rfc and the rfc's I've participated I've usually come in toward the middle end or the caboose end, not the locomotive end. Therefore, if I goofed, please do feel free to cleanup the mess, or rearrange the sections, or delete what I added, or whatever you have to do to make things right. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they were all based on your ideas. I started my first RfC a few days ago, so I have no experience either. My perspective is that people at Wikipedia will talk but not act. You and I seem to be more driven to action, so I thought I would start on your ideas. I will be working on these in the upcoming days/weeks. Thanks for your support. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 14:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I have added information to the article creation RfC's talk page. It takes me a while to dig this stuff up. I will need to spend some time going over it in order to update that RfC to give it the best chance possible of suceeding. I'll get to the other RfC's after that. You are welcome to join in if you like. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 16:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Part of the problem with Wikipedia is that at this point the people here are more incline to talk than act, not that I mind talking, but no flag ranked officer in the US helped push the axis powers back by having a heated debate with the enemy commander. For whatever reason the people here miss that fact, and as such lack the ability to start the process by which change can be achieved. I like to apply Newton's 3rd (I think third) law of motion to such situations, so if the people are at rest they will remain at rest until acted upon by an outside force. In this case, that appears to be you and me :) As to joining you: I'll lend a hand if I can, but at the moment my off wiki time is being consumed rather heavily by my effort to get back into collage to pursue a Master's Degree, so I may not be much help beyond the low to mid-level stuff. All the same though, I'll help where I can, when I can. TomStar81 (Talk) 18:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

That is the best. Newton's third law. That is absolutely the best description of Wikipedia's internal processes I have ever read. . That was great! Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 18:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Newton's first law, in fact. Though all three of Newton's laws of motion provide a pretty accurate assessment of Wikiphysics. I'd like to help out, if I may. I am by no means a very experienced or accomplished editor, but that may actually be a boon in this case.  Cjmclark ^(Contact) 18:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm always happy for any help I get. I feel the need to point out that I have only been here a couple months, while both of you have been here for many years. So both of you are far more experienced than I. Either way, I am happy for the help and will do all I can. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 19:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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Request for webcite

You have recently requested that:

• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2011 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2010 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2009 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2008 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2007 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2006 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2005 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2004 season)
• Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer (2003 season)

Be archived using WebCite, I have completed that request. ΔT _{^{The only constant}} 17:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks very much for all your hard work on the WebCiteBot. I really appreciacte it. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 17:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

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Kindness

Thanx for being kind by the way. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I was just sorry to see people take all your hard work for granted, and not being a little more appreciative. I don't think it's healthy for the community for people to be so demanding of our developers. Thanks very much for all your generous effort. I certainly appreciate it. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 12:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks mate. If only Jimbo could be the same way... Love your brightness and positivety towards other wikipedians, in a place like this you really are valued too!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you kindly, Dr. Blofeld. But you know that nobody can compare to you in the contributions department. You're amazing. I was saddened by the way Jimbo reacted to you. Several people mentioned it to him. Anyhoo, thanks for coming back and everything else. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 22:27, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much for your help on the Mariam Nazarian page. I was trying to find other sources to add but it seems you beat me to it. =) Anulik96 (talk) 17:23, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

You are most welcome. Thank you for creating the article. I'll see what other references I can find. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 20:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thank you for the award. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for being You

Just yesterday I removed some old User Pages from my Watchlist. They were the three or four editors I have crossed swords with over the years that I needed to keep an eye on. Or so I thought. Yesterday I decided that watching and waiting for the right moment to join an AN/I or an RfC against them was counter-productive and an enormous waste of time and effort.(It's not easy being a stalker. Lots of book-keeping, cut and pasting and hiding in dark corners) What I was not prepared for was that an editor like you would fill the void. Extreme thanks for your very kind words and for honoring me with the barnstar and for the mention on your User page. The poem stems from early run-ins I had as a "newbie". I am glad to make your acquaintance and I am very grateful for the 'pat on the back'. Buster Seven Talk 06:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

		The Friendship Barnstar
		For your most excellent efforts in friendship towards your fellow Wikipedians, User:Buster7 would like to award you the Barnstar of Friendship. The Wikipedia Community is uplifted by your spirit. NOTE: The Friendship Barnstar was created by User:Ched Davis

Wow. Thanks ever so much. I'm honored. I have to say it's great to meet up with you. Let me explain. Since I left that message, I've been trying to figure out how I got to your page before. I just now figured out that I got there from the Civility Poll that I was going through back in January. Your civility essay is listed at the top of that page. Anyway, when I got to the hammer part I was seriously inspired to make some real changes here at Wikipedia. So now I'm on a mission. I hope you don't mind if I stop by over the next few weeks and ask for advice and input as I get things organized for my future attempts at Wikpedia reform. Thanks for everything, especially the inspiration. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 07:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

real quick...in between newbie My10 patrol. I find Random Article calming. No drama. Buster Seven Talk 05:40, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

thank you for the barnstar

Thank you for the kind words. I wrote hundreds of articles, have over 50,000 here, and have dozens of barnstars, but unfortunately I am happier in retirement. I have been indefinitely banned three times on wikipedia.

"...the numbers suggest that the deletionists may have won. The increasing difficulty of making a successful edit; the exclusion of casual users; slower growth – all are hallmarks of the deletionist approach."[1]

"'Notability purges' are being executed throughout Wikipedia by empire-building, wannabe tin-pot dictators masquerading as humble editors...Your words are polite, yeah, but your actions are obscene....There are some people on Wikipedia now who are just bullies, who take pleasure in wrecking and mocking peoples' work."[2] Ironically this is a book review of Wikipedia: The Missing Manual, which was put up for deletion itself.

During the BLP war Jim Wales giving his blessing to Scott MacDonald, who deleted 100 articles, I realized that the company culture of bullying and complete disrespect for other editors contributions comes from the very top and Jim himself. To me it has never been about deletion or inclusion, it has been about respect for other editors hard work, which the leadership and Jim himself lack.

Read my comments here With such a bullying company culture, it is not hard to predict how this will all end. Good luck, eventually you will be pushed out or quit in disgust too. Okip 16:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the reply. I'm sorry you have retired, but I completely understand it. I too, have been driven from the project, but I'm back hoping to make some changes here. I must thank you for everything you have done for the project. Many people appreciate your work and it has made a difference. If you ever change your mind about retiring, I will be very happy to welcome you back. Thanks for everything. - Hydroxonium (H₃O⁺) 18:49, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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Nice Koekjes

Buster7 has given you a Nice Koekjes which promote fellowship, goodwill and WikiLove. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of Nice Koekjes around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. Nice Biscuits are very tasty and have been known to calm even the most savage beast. Enjoy! Buster Seven Talk

I know I just gave you a Friendship Barnstar just the other day and passing around barnstars like they were nickles may reduce their value but I had to give you this FIRST Nice Biscuit since it was your inquiry that prompted its creation. Thanks for the impetus. Buster Seven Talk 08:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

That is the best! Thank you very much. I'm going to add this to my list of goodies I hand out to people. I have to say that Wikipedia is very lucky to have you as a contributor to the project. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (talk) 08:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Great Template. Thanks a bunch. Cuaosdruid didn't understand my request. Thanks for figuring it out. And thanks again for getting the koekjes ball rolling in the first place.Buster Seven Talk 06:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I was happy to do it. I think the more nice templates we have, the better off we are. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (talk) 06:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

A couple more bits of assistance if you dont mind. If you go to User:Buster7/Barnstars, etc. you will see a)...that I have created another version of the nice Koekjes---> The kind that are SO nice that they bake themselves... and b)...I have another barnstar that needs a template. Its called "Cents for Sense". Could you make a template for each??? TRA! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I love all your templates, so I would be happy to. Best. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 03:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrol lists

It may be going slow at the moment (a bit slower than I was expecting, but I didn't want to overload myself with doing it), but we're gettting there. Only twelve more pages to go! Acalamari 21:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I think you're doing really good, myself. We've gone through 2,500 users which is a heck of a lot. You and the other admins have added about 1,000 new autopatrolled users to our ranks. I need to take a moment and thank you for all your help. It's been great. Thanks very much.

On a related note, I just saw a new list was requested and generated a week ago. This has been very laborious. I was thinking we should stop where we are now and get some bot help to trim down the list. What do you think? - Hydroxonium (talk) 06:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

The slowest part is getting the article creations page to load: the rest of the task is fine to get through. Regarding the new list, yes, I think it would be a very good idea to get the list trimmed down as much as possible, by any means: I suspect there will be several editors who we've already reviewed, and we don't want a backlog that'll end up getting forgotten about. Acalamari 10:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I loath waiting for the article lists to load. I usually get 4 lists loading while I'm adding dates. Anyhoo, I have recently been adding the declined users to the "official" declined lists, so that a bot can help us with that in the future.

My idea is that any generated list should strive to only have users that are highly likely to be granted the right so we aren't wasting time. I think a bot could remove recently declined users, check for BLP and copyright violations in user talk page histories, check when the last article was created, etc. and end up trimming the lists so that they are much shorter.

Because approx. 1,000 users have been added, I think we should move on and have a bot help us and also submit users to the "normal" autopatrolled request page. That way more people could be involved in reviewing. To sum up, I think we should shut down our project and get a bot involved so we're working smarter instead of harder. But I will defer to you if you want to keep going. - Hydroxonium (talk) 11:10, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

All of your suggestions sound good to me, though I don't know many bot creators or how fast such a bot could be made: however, I don't think we'll be "shutting down" our autopatrolled work, rather, I think we'll just be changing it to get the job done more efficiently. As for the remaining twelve pages mentioned above, those ones are fine as they are and we can finish them the way we've been doing them, though I am tempted to ask a couple of admins familiar with autopatrolled to help get those last pages done before new work is created.

Oh, and without wanting to sound rude, don't feel obliged to leave talkbacks on my talk page: I'm watching here! ;) Acalamari 11:34, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Darn, I was hoping I wouldn't have to add dates to the last 12 pages. I'll start a thread at the village pump about automating the Autopatrol stuff. I'll leave you a note here when I do. - Hydroxonium (talk) 11:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry about that! Well, if you can get the remaining pages you haven't yet marked with dates (from 38-46) automated, that's fine with me. In the meantime I'll get pages 35-37 done for now and leave the rest until they're automated if you like. Acalamari 12:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops. That was just a joke. Adding dates isn't fun, but I don't mind doing it (see smiley face in above sentence). I was thinking more of you when I mentioned stopping the project. I think you have done 14 of the last 15 pages. Your work reviewing is much harder than mine adding dates. I was trying to provide you with cordial way out of the situation because it is so laborious. I think I goofed and ended up making you feel pressured. Sorry about that. - Hydroxonium (talk) 12:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Nah...no pressures! I merely missed a blatant smiley. :/ As I've said before, before these lists existed, other admins and I had to either search out for people to grant the right to, or give it article-creators we randomly came across. It may be hard work reviewing the lists, but you took the initiative to actually get them going. At any rate, I'll support whatever you decide to do, whether it's automation of the final lists, or we just continue what we've been doing. No harm done. :) Acalamari 12:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I put up the automated idea at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Automating submissions for Autopatrol right. We can keep going on the lists if you like, or we can wait for the automation. I feel more comfortable following your choice as you are the one doing all the work. - Hydroxonium (talk) 13:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case, I reckon we should keep going as we have been with lists 35-46 for now, so we can at least get them done so there's less to do later. If any automation comes out before we're done with them, brilliant, if not, at least we got the first 46 lists completed. Anything beyond list 46 can wait for automation. Does that sound okay to you? Acalamari 14:02, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, that sounds good to me. If the community decides to automate the process I'm sure it will take a few weeks. Thanks again for all your help. It has been great. - Hydroxonium (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

The Banner at the Top of This Page

I just left a "view" at Wikipedia:Wiki Guides/Welcome new users. I hope Many editors step forward. May I suggest that you refer visitors to the WikiMedia Banner at the top of the page. Sometimes editors ignore those banners ("What Banner?") 'cause we are so busy looking at the keyboard, etc. It is an interesting and Timely Message from the Foundation. TRA! (Wy wife and I just watched 'Taste of Honey'...in it they all say TRA when leaving...sounds friendly) TRA!Buster Seven Talk 21:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Great idea. I will add this to the discussions. Thanks for the heads up. - Hydroxonium (talk) 06:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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Linkrot discussion

Just out of interest, is there still an active discussion regarding archiving of citations? Wikipedia talk:WikiProject External links/Webcitebot2 seems to have ended and was restarted as an RFC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Archived citations. To me it hardly seems as if consensus on this matter has been reached. So is there still a discussion going on anywhere? Or where exactly can I post suggestions to move this forward? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

The discussion sort of fizzled out. I was hoping that this would get people talking, but it didn't. I'm going to keep working on it until we get something. I'll write up a draft RfC and give you a shout. Maybe you and I can get something going. Best regards. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 03:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I started a blank page RfC as a draft here. Would you like to edit it? - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 10:26, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks I will throw something in. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:39, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Dropped a first comment as a start. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I added a reply. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 11:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Hydroxonium, thanks so much for leaving me an appreciation! It is appreciated in turn!

I looked at your page about list-defined references. The information is clear and understandable. Here's the thing: the FORMAT of wikipedia assistance pages is so daunting. The FORMAT makes my eyes roll up into my head. That's not your fault. The page format seems to say: "You, Noob, will never understand this so don't bother trying." Luckily I have already figured out how to make my references work.

I wonder if you can see this through my eyes. It is utterly horrifying to somebody who is not a programmer. File:Lh3.googleusercontent.com/ bll4t6lNvW0/TX-QCcMm oI/AAAAAAAAFUw/YqKpGvX8Z7k/temp-wiki-cite.jpg

BTW I tried to upload this screenshot to wikipedia itself and found the demands so draconian I gave up. Then I tried to figure out how to embed it. No luck. I am not an idiot. I design and run several websites and blogs. Wikipedia was not designed for ordinary people like me. Jane Peppler (talk) 16:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

You are correct. I've only been here a few months, so I understand. It's awful. I have to say you have done very well referencing your articles. Yeah, uploading files to Wikipedia is the worst. I can see your picture here, so I know what you mean. It's almost as if somebody designed Wikipedia in order to drive people away. Anyhoo, thanks for the feeedback. Best regards. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 17:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you are so new? I thought you were an old-timer. What you said: "It's almost as if somebody designed Wikipedia in order to drive people away." Not the front (user) end - the back (editor) end though for sure. The whole look of it makes me shudder. Best to you! Jane Peppler (talk) 17:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Added a few "Star Hustler" titles for the 1980's

Hydroxium:

As you may have noticed, I have added listings for a few odd episodes of "Jack Horkheimer: Star Hustler" from the 1980's (less than half a dozen). It took some effort; but, I found the episodes in question archived on YouTube. So, the dates listed for those episodes are correct. I also left the rest of the listings for those years blank (I believe that the dates for the blank episodes.... titles unknown.... are probably correct; but, I'll need to go back and check that I didn't mess up the dates by forgetting to take leap years and so on into account). But, the dates on the few episodes for which the titles are known are definitely correct. I did find one or two other episodes of "Star Hustler" on YouTube (one was for the Voyager 2 encounter with Neptune); but sadly, the opening minute of those episode(s) were missing; so, I have neither date nor title information.

I still meant what I said about having quite a few of the old "Star Hustler" episodes on videotape (from around 1992 or so). I simply haven't gone through the tapes yet to get the title information for the listings. Once I get around to doing that, my suspicion is that quite a few episode titles will be added to the listing. When my brother taped "Doctor Who" for me (while I was away to college), he generally let the VCR do it automatically with the timer (since, he had a life of his own and didn't want to be tied down). And, that is how I ended up getting those Jack Horkheimer episodes, which came on right before the start of "Doctor Who."

I looked at one of those old "Star Hustler" episodes a few years ago; and, I was really shocked by how much weight Jack Horkheimer had gained in the early 1990's. At the time of his death, his weight (in his last episodes) was roughly about the same as it was in the 1980's; but for a while in the early 1990's, he had ballooned up quite a bit. It was one of those things which I hadn't noticed over time, not until I looked at one of the old episodes about a decade later (after his weight had come back down). In the mid-1980's episodes that I saw on YouTube, he wasn't wearing the toupe yet (I don't know when he started doing that).

Brianhass (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I saw that you have been working on the lists. I need to get back to these and add some stuff. I have dates for the lists somewhere, so I can help with that. Unfortunately I'm on a 19.2K dial-up, so I'm unable to view the YouTube stuff. Sad. Regarding the episodes on tape, there's no hurry. I still have articles I need to work on from over half a year ago. Thanks for the info about Jack changing over time. I never noticed that. My public TV station runs the show sporadically, so I may see one episode a month. But that's better than nothing. Thanks again for the help. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 07:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

DEADREF

I don't think we ever wrapped up WT:Citing sources#Question_regarding_.22Preventing_and_repairing_dead_links.22. If you want to close the discussion, I'd appreciate it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, the conversation just sort of ended, but we didn't really solve the situation. I'll go ahead and close the discussion with an overview. Maybe we can come back to this issue some time in the future. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 08:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Since you are the undisputed master of policies & guidlines, would you mind looking over the summary and make sure I got it right? While I have you here, could you give me a quick yes/no about whether I/others should continue asking you about adminship. The community would like to see you as an admin, but I understand if you'd rather not. I just don't want to keep bugging you about it if it makes you uncomfortable. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 09:34, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. I'll propose concrete changes based on that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

That sounds great, thanks. Just a quick note: I've been diagnosed with I-gots-ta-know disease and I only have a few seconds left. Pretty please with sugar on top. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 16:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Added RfCs

Hi

I have added the RfC on welcoming as a tab to the main WikiGuides page - if there are any objections please let me know :¬)

If you like the idea of it being there, did you want any others adding in a similar fashion?

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 06:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you so much. That's great. I haven't really been involved in the Wiki Guides project, other than commenting. Since you are much more involved, I will leave it up to you if the other RfCs should be added. Thanks very much for the help. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 08:13, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi again, I have added the rest of the RfCs Wikipedia:Wiki Guides - well I think I have lol, can you tell me if any are missing please :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 10:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

That's great. Thanks very much. I think that will make it easier for people to comment in them. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 10:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks very much for the Bstar, I appreciate being appreciated :¬)

I am just finishing my votes (well I think they are votes?) on the RfC on pending changes, I will go to those next. Chaosdruid (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Physics is all gnomes has given you a cupcake! Cupcakes promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cupcake, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Hi Hydroxonium, I just added 'wikilove' so am testing my first cupcakes on you. You're one of the friendliest editors and a pleasure to work with. Thanks for your help with the September Concert article - I think we gave one newbie a pretty positive experience. How is wikiguides going? Are any of your guidees contributing much? I'm very interested in the results, though I decided I didn't have time to be a guide. To spread more WikiLove, install the WikiLove user script.

Thanks very much. I saw you had taken some time off. I was really happy to see you were back when I ran across this post of yours. I meant to comment at the time but was sidetracked with other things.

Yeah, It was great working with you and Rbid1 on The September Concert. You did a great job working with them and I just came by after the fact. I keep hoping that Rbid1 will be back to contribute more.

I was mostly just commenting on the Wiki Guides project and didn't become a guide. Although I did have a little interaction with one of the guidees that has been a very productive editor. The project seems to be doing good and getting some good information. Anyway, it's great to have you back and thanks for the cupcake. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 10:51, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm back for the moment :) I have a tendency to spend far too much time editing, and then have to ban myself for a while so I can get some work done!

I hope Rbid1 comes back too. Even if they don't though, leaving them with a good experience will maybe mean they'll encourage their friends to make a few edits...

Only answer this if you want to, but are you are guy or a gal? I like to be able to properly imagine people I meet online.--Physics is all gnomes (talk) 15:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Guy. Yeah, Rbid1 seemed like they were enjoyoing writing the article. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 16:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

A Banner Idea

I have another idea for a template. Take a peek at the rough draft at User:Buster7/Barnstars, etc....TRA!Buster Seven Talk 21:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Maybe we could add an image something like this, but better. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 21:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I like it alot. Should we lose the guy standing and the books or will that make a good visual tie-in with Brain Power+Community=WP. I like it!!!TRA! BTW... on IRC/Wikipedia-en I go in as Guide43.Buster Seven Talk 21:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the guy and books don't really belong. I was going to spend some time looking around Commons for something better. Unfortunately, I don't have IRC access. Sad. . But that's OK because I can do other stuff. TRA! - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 03:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The Brain Is Excellent. I can live with the guy and the books. They add a nice friendly touch, dont ya think? I say go with it, create a rough draft, we'll work on the description and verse, etc, and if a better image comes along we'll jump on it! But...take your time... no rush TRA!Buster Seven Talk 03:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I threw something together really quick at Template:Brains Barnstar. It needs a lot of editing and stuff, but it's a start we can work with. TRA! - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 03:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Me too at User:Buster7 barnstars, etc. You lookat mine, i'll lookat yours....TRA Buster Seven Talk 04:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Your's is better, so I updated the template. - Hydroxonium (T•C•V) 05:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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