User talk:Hogyn Lleol/Archive 2

Bethesda

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Your recent edit to List of British towns with no railway station included a link to a disambiguation page. The use of these links is discouraged on Wikipedia as they are unhelpful to readers. In the future, please check your links to make sure they point to an article. Thanks! twirligig^{Leave one! ⋄ Check me out!} 21:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

You will see from my history of edits that I in fact do a lot of disambiguatinging on sites - I simply didn't realise that there was more than one Bethesda! I have in fact now also improved your edit from Bethesda, Wales to Bethesda, Gwynedd to avoid an unnecessary redirect. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 08:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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High Peak Junction

Hi, I've just read your new article High Peak Junction, thanks very much for creating it. One point you raise is the "junction" name. I believe it was called High Peak Junction as it was a junction between the Cromford and High Peak Railway and the Cromford Canal, as the original route was surveyed for a canal and a plateway was substituted on costs grounds. However, as you quote the 1956 book on the subject, I am quite prepared to bow to your superior knowledge :) However, if it was called High Peak Junction when the link to the Derwent Valley Line was made, should the article be called High Peak Junction railway station? Or was it never a station? I had difficulty reconciling the 1930 OS map and the link between the High Peak Railway and the Derwent Valley Line - http://www.ponies.me.uk/maps/osmap.html?z=14&x=%20-1.533408&y=53.100211 when I redid the eastern end of the Template:Cromford and High Peak Railway map. Scillystuff (talk) 23:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The various sources I have do not seem to specify when the name arose, but it looks like on its construction, the connection between the C&HPR and the canal was at Cromford Wharf. Only on later connection with the rail was the wharf largely abandoned in favour of this new junction point. Yes, it's at the base if the incline, but I don't personally think the place "existed" until rail connection.

I don't know if it could be called a station - that's a matter of definition, I suppose. There was a warehouse for stock, located on the level alongside the canal, and for a brief amount of time passengers were allowerd to travel.

All the books refer to this location as "High Peak Junction", rather than a station, and of course that is the name of the place today.

Yes, that 1930 map shows a spur coming of the mainline some distance east of High Peak Junction itself. I suppose the template should really show (working "south") HPJ, then the line continuing a nudge, then the main line (now Derwent Valley) branching of "left" and "right" to make it clearer.

To be honest, I'm no expert on this by any means, just happened to be there the other day and saw that HPJ itself wasn't on the Wiki. If I get a chance over the next couple of days I'll try and dig out some more facts. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 09:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Right, I've looked at further info and reworked the article. It clarifies things, hopefully, namely that the Junction was the actual junction, and that this place was called "Cromford Goods". Any suspicion I have that this place became known as HPJ before closure can't be verified, so is left out. The HP template is therefore correct in terms of order of locations. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 11:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that and for you other work on the article. I've added the coordinates of High Peak Junction as a separate item at the end of the article, but specified display in the title. I'll also modify the route map as per your suggestion and take out Cromford Good Yard as it seems to be the same as High Peak Junction (both are listed as being at the bottom of Sheep Pasture incline. I wonder how I could add the canal...Scillystuff (talk) 12:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

A thought - don't take out Cromford Goods as it is an historic name, and at the time of the railway the 2 places were 3/4 mile apart. At the moment "Cromford Wharf" redirects to HPJ, but I'm going to write a short piece in its own right. It will include a reference to CG, and I think that CG should in future redirect to this.

I think Cromford Wharf is at the end of the canal on Mill Road, a mile further west - http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/countryside/countryside_sites/waterways_ponds/cromford_wharf/default.asp, but naming has been muddied by Cromford Wharf Shed, which appears to be half a mile south of High Peak Junction - http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/education/activity_centres/lea_green/wharf_shed/default.asp. The route map for the Cromford Canal compressed the final 2 miles of the canal into a couple of lines. I added a link for High Peak Junction but there needs to be a bit more space between it and Cromford Wharf, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cromford_Canal#Sketch_map_of_canal.Scillystuff (talk) 17:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You're right! This site here proves it. I'll have to change things. Mind you, there's plenty in those two Derbyshire websites which is blatently wrong. It says that Middleton Top is along the towpath (!), and the second one has made the same mistake as I did. Ho hum .... Hogyn Lleol (talk) 17:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to make the Midland map readable since it appears to be out of print. Meanwhile I believe the two carriages on dusplay at the foot of the incline are brake vans. Chevin (talk) 16:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

They are, of course! Hogyn Lleol (talk) 17:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK?

Is High Peak Junction destined for "Did you know"? If not, I'll nominate ir! Victuallers (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

River Derwent

Why thanks. And thanks for sorting out those missing cites. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Leek & Manifold

Any particular reason you don't linke the use of {{stnlink}} in the route map? NtheP (talk) 14:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't that I don't like {{stnlink}} (I don't know what it is, in fact) but the previous list had Wikilinks to those places, which was useful for anyone clicking on them. I had tried to simply add the Wikilink, but couldn't get it to work without removing the {{stnlink}}. If you want to reinstate {{stnlink}}, please do, but is it possible to also retain the Wikilink? Hogyn Lleol (talk) 14:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, {{stnlink|x}} gives you a direct link to an article called x railway station without you having to type 'railway station' in the link. Which you use depends on whtether you want links to articles on stations or articles on the places. Both I think would look a bit messy :) Most route maps, AFAIK, use stnlink on the basis that the station article will link to the place. NtheP (talk) 15:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I can see the logic of that. Of course, in this particular case, the stations are long gone, and there isn't much to say about them anyway - most were simply a halt with a siding - so I guess any "station" page would logically end up redirecting to that location. Dunno, not sure which is best here, but I don't mind if you change it back - I'm easy.  ;-) Hogyn Lleol (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

or even without a siding in a couple of cases. :-)NtheP (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Porthmadog

Thanks for finding the citation for locals calling the town Port. I had searched high and low to verify this with no success, though I had heard locals in Criccieth saying they were going over to Port. Skinsmoke (talk) 15:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually to be honest I never expected to find one - everyone local KNOWS it's called Port but proving it is another thing! Hogyn Lleol (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Tal y Cafn

After editing my submission on the Geograph web site for the bridge [1], I discovered the Tal y Cafn page which you had started. I noted that the construction date of the bridge preceded its design! I hope that you do not mind my amplification of the bridge details, which are of interest and critical in the locality. I hope to submit a picture of the bridge in due course.... Wikiampyx (talk) 23:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice one, mate. You obviously know a lot! Good work. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 10:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Pont Croesor E-group link

Sorry mate, the reference is VALID = no problem with the fact. Just that the file is not available to non egroup members, and there for should not be used as a general reference. When it gets issued via the company site, then by all means use that as reference. --Keith 10:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Bangor, Gwynedd, pubs and clubs

I would welcome an independent view on a debate regarding the inclusion of external web-links for numerous pub and clubs in Bangor (please see Talk:Bangor, Gwynedd) . My own view is that a list of pubs and clubs is not encyclopaedic anyway - but that is a personal view, but I see the inclusion of web-links as commercial spam. However, I would welcome an independent view of someone with knowledge of North Wales. Many thanks.  Velela  ^{Velela Talk}   12:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I've got knowledge of North Wales, but no in-depth knowledge of Bangor. But this is a difficult one, I think, and clearly more a question of procedure. Wikipedia doesn't encourage links to commercial enterprises, but within this list it seems OK for a place to have its own Wiki page, with a link to a web-page from there. But I wonder if the general rule can be somewhat relaxed when a list is fairly inclusive? What I mean is, if you only name a couple of clubs, and have web links to them, it's not fair on those not represented and the advertising becomes more blatant. But where the list is inclusive of all, as looks to be the case here, I wonder if links can be viewed in the same way? I've got to say that I can see both sides of the argument. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 18:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. In the end I decided to go the official route via dispute resolution and a couple of other editors waded in and we do now have a resolution. Probably not a perfect resolution but then Wikipedia is often about compromises. Whether it should be about compromise is another philosophical question too big to deal with on a wet Sunday evening !  Velela  ^{Velela Talk}   19:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Pronunciation

Hi Hogyn Lleol, I just thought I'd direct you towards the following pages, which you may find useful when you're adding pronunciation guides to articles:

• Wikipedia:IPA for Welsh
• Template:IPA-cy
• Wikipedia:Pronunciation respelling key
• Template:Respell

Hope they're helpful! garik (talk) 23:00, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Gwbert

		The Wales Barnstar
		For taking the time and care to update articles of Welsh interest to a very high level. Diolch. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Hogyn Lleol, I've reviewed the article and found it very informative and interesting. I've given some way ahead pointers to improve the article further. Don't be scared to update or delete other users work, especially if uncited. Be brave. I'm surprised I haven't come across your work before, I'll keep my eye out for your updates in future; plus I've put Gwbert on my watch list. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 17:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Why, thank-you! I'll set to work on making improvements to the article a.s.a.p (but not for a few days as have work commitments). Hogyn Lleol (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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Monmouthpedia

Thanks for adding some boxes. Eventually we want to run a competition so knowing how many articles we had when we started is key. Victuallers (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks . . .

. . . for the barnstar. Deor (talk) 14:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for the barnstar. Nice to feel appreciated! PamD 16:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Harlech

Thanks for creating the new Etymology section. Do any of those sources explain why the standard word order in Welsh - noun, adjective - has apparently been reversed here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

In Old Welsh, it was common for the adjective to come before the noun, and many place names are examples of this. It can often be seen in old poetry, and sometimes even in contemporary poetry. Hogyn Lleol ★ ^(chat) 15:42, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. Maybe we should link Old Welsh somewhere here? I'd be intrigued to see a list of other place-name examples. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm currently looking for a reference or link, but no luck yet. "Glasfryn" is a common name which appears all over Wales. Hogyn Lleol ★ ^(chat) 15:49, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Aha, this Cymru-Catalonia website [2] states :

Adjective before a noun

Although this is not the usual position for the adjective, there are circumstances where this occurs.

1) a handful of adjectives in Welsh which usually go before the noun

2) poetical language - where any adjective may go before a noun

3) Place names

I'm sure this must be mentioned on a Wiki page. I'll keep looking .... Hogyn Lleol ★ ^(chat) 15:58, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I see here that it's only a general rule, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Have just added this to Literary Welsh morphology :

In poetry, however, and to a lesser extent in prose, most adjectives may occur before the noun they modify, but this is a literary device. It is also seen in some place names, such as Harlech (hardd + llech) and Glaslyn.

Hogyn Lleol ★ ^(chat) 16:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Section retitled: Cwm Rhondda

I show a posting below that I received last night on my talk page, together with my reply, and the user's response:

Bread of Heaven

I enjoyed your collection of flags at the top of this page.

I know (the English version of) the hymn that includes the line "bread of heaven". In fact, it is right up at the top of my favorites. But please tell me what is the specific connection between Welsh rugby and "bread of heaven".

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Cwm Rhondda is a very well known Welsh hymn tune. First performed in 1907. Cwm Rhondda translates as "the Rondda Valley" in English, and more often than not, sung to the words: Guide me, O thou great Redeemer. Wales rugby union supporters adopted it years ago, although the reason is not understood, apart from the fact that it is an inspiring song which everyone knew (Sundays in chapel) and could keep repeating, and repeating... I think it splendid.

It was sung at the funerals of both Princess Diana and the Queen Mother, and at the wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

It is indeed splendid, both tune and words. The version I learned (in the United Church of Canada) began Guide me, O thou great Jehovah.

The part of the story I did not know was its adoption by the Rugby union. A great anthem, known to everyone in Wales. I guess it is a natural. Wanderer57 (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Leeks for sale: Are you ready for The Six Nations?

I am wondering if you would be kind enough to add below any knowledge you may have on this topic.

Many thanks for your time.

With kindest regards,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk)

Sorry Gareth, I don't know any more than you on this one! I do note, though, that Cwm Rhondda has a Wiki page.

Hello, Thank you for your quick response. Actually, it was after reading the Wiki page, and learning hardly anything new, that I thought of this action.

All the best, Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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