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WikiProject Software to do list

• The following topics are missing an article; calling all enthusiasts to start these articles urgently. [Read the Talk page]
  • Gordian Knot (software), AutoGK, a bit obsolete, but still worth an article, or two (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BeSweet)
  • Topaz Labs (software), photo editing software in the same vein as Photoshop or NIK software. The company has expanded and is used by many various fine art and photography professionals. www.topazlabs.com. Deserves an article.
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  • Cabri Geometry, article too short but of significant importance
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  • EmEditor, needs notability references, and general improvements
  • Ext4
  • Flowtracer
  • Google File System, tagged with {{Expert-subject|Software|date=November 2008}}
  • Home Assistant (seems to be consensus that this needs cleanup from uninvolved editors after its 2nd AfD, as of 2021-04-02)
  • Hypervisor, the PCs and desktop systems section needs attention
  • Jv16 powertools [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
  • KVIrc
  • Light (web browser), just created, it's decently written but still really short, and it's not part of this project yet
  • mdadm, mostly non-encyclopedic content (HOWTO/manual)
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  • Ntfsprogs
  • Norton 360
  • Recuva
  • Presentation Manager, requesting screenshot of GUI, also needs references
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  • Software as a service
  • Windows library files
  • XNUMBERS
  • Zamzar
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  • Scrumban article reads like a sales brochure and I don't have the subject knowledge to fix it.

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March 2010

Your edits to List of government agencies in comics, List of government agencies in DC Comics, and List of government agencies in Marvel Comics have been reverted. Because these edits occured on the heels of my recent contribution to your sockpuppetry case, your attempt to use WP:CFORK as an excuse for these edits is highly suspect. Those articles were split off as it the practice in the Wikipedia Comics Project. If you have any constructive edits to contribute on those pages, they will be greatly welcomed. --Xero (talk) 22:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

...and I continue to be the victim of disingenuous attacks by editors who would rather sling mud than adhere to policy. Groupthink (talk) 10:45, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Credentialism

Did you say you liked this article on your user page? Amongst its many apparent violations of Wikipedia standards, it seems to contain unsourced material. Perhaps you'd like to improve it, as the tag is incredibly even old than the match cut one! Stephen B Streater (talk) 10:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

My mistake - I assumed blow meant the opposite of suck. Stephen B Streater (talk) 10:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

No, oddly enough, they're synonymous. ;-) Groupthink (talk) 10:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Appropriate level of citations

I've been improving the match cut article somewhat. When you get a chance, you might like to update your citation requests. Please bear in mind that it is not usual for every fact in an article to be cited inline, as this makes the text unreadable. Rather, only doubtful information is tagged. According to policy, the content doesn't have to be verified, only verifiable. I'm also slightly hampered by not having the reference books listed - I suspect when the material was added, inline citations were less frequently used. I'm planning to move on to some of the other numerous video articles you have tagged at some point (starting from the newly blanked ones), but feel free to find references yourself to any of the missing citations! Stephen B Streater (talk) 16:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD

Please see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic terrorism, Jewish religious terrorism and Christian terrorism included in AfD.Steve Dufour (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

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Joel Hayward

You seem to be having trouble with the Joel Hayward page. Might I suggest using Twinkle to automate deletion discussions? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I'll take a look, but in the meantime, there's a mess that needs cleaning as noted on the Talk:Joel Hayward talk page, and I'm loathe to make any edits for fear of screwing things up further. Groupthink (talk) 05:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

My apologies

I do not know how my edit modified your edit. Very sorry Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

No worries! Honest mistake. Happens all the time. Groupthink (talk) 21:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

CI Lithub reference

Please stop adding Christian terrorism to various articles based on a questionable source. If you feel the source is sufficient then take it to RSN and get consensus first. Springee (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

The source is valid, and based on your editing patterns, I quite frankly think you're POV-pushing. Groupthink (talk) 01:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

RE: Centennial Olympic Park bombing

Re this edit: Your edit summary would imply WP:POINTY editing, which is disruptive. The purpose of the lead is to summarize what's in the article, so if it's not in the article, it shouldn't be in the lead (WP:LEAD). Expand the article first so that this is supported by the article content - then add it to the lead. Then you won't need to WP:REFBOMB the opening sentence. ButlerBlog (talk) 23:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Never mind about the supporting in the article - it's pretty much covered in the motivation section. But still, don't REFBOMB to be POINTY. ButlerBlog (talk) 23:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop adding NPOV headers without giving specifics at the talk page

The instructions are clear: "Please also explain on the article's talk page why you are adding this tag, identifying specific issues that are actionable within Wikipedia's content policies." You aren't doing this. I haven't looked closely yet at your editing but it appears to be about an issue you feel strongly about but it is getting close to disruptive editing. I'll give you a chance to either remove them or start a discussion on their talk pages under a section heading saying something like "NPOV issues". I don't want to have to spend time doing that myself. If you don't do that and someone else, eg me, has to do it, I'll have to consider if a sanction is required. Doug Weller talk 07:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I have added talk page concerns for every page I've tagged with NPOV. I'm not sure which exact pages you're concerned about or what specifically your concerns are. Are you wanting me to add the specific verbiage "NPOV issue" to the talk page section header? Are you looking for links to policies? Help me out here, Doug. Groupthink (talk) 07:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Give me a few minutes and I'll add a list here of every article I've tagged NPOV cross-referenced with its corresponding talk page discussion. Groupthink (talk) 08:03, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Oklahoma City bombing - Talk:Oklahoma City bombing#Christian terrorism

Terry Nichols - Talk:Terry Nichols#Christian terrorist

Timothy McVeigh - Talk:Timothy McVeigh#Christian terrorist

Centennial Olympic Park bombing - Talk:Centennial Olympic Park bombing#If the Olympic park bombing wasn't a Christian terrorist attack, then 9/11 wasn't an Islamic terrorist attack

Eric Rudolph - Talk:Eric Rudolph#Eric Rudolph is, by any objective standard, a Christian terrorist

Christian Identity - Talk:Christian Identity#Timoth McVeigh & Terry Nichols (not created by me but replied to by me)

List of Islamist terrorist attacks - Expressed concerns in AfD discussion, happy to copy them to talk page

Hope that helps you to help me to address your concerns. Groupthink (talk) 08:19, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

You need to add a section header and specify what has violated NPOV in what way. Doug Weller talk 08:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey it's 4:30 AM where I am, and I'm trying to stay awake to form my arguments about systemic bias and WP:NOTCENSORED into a cogent whole supported by citations of wp npov policy which I can add to the talk pages, but I'm falling asleep fast. I'll have to get to it tomorrow. If that's not timely enough for you, revert me and sanction me if you must. Groupthink (talk) 09:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Systemic bias?!? Your "discussion" on the CI page has nothing to do with the NPOV of the article. NPOV tagging the article based on that discussion would absolutely come across to others as WP:POINTY editing. Is that your intent? ButlerBlog (talk) 12:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Your sarcasm, and your scarequotes, are unappreciated. I also suspect you're a sock of Doug Weller and am considering calling for a checkuser investigation. Groupthink (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Doug Weller is a checkuser. You'd be better served taking on board the concerns raised by your fellow editors rather than chasing shadows.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, who are you and what drew you to this conversation? Groupthink (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

My user page is clickable from my signature; you can learn all about who I am from that page. What drew me to the conversation was your attempt to discredit the concerns of multiple editors with baseless accusations of sockpuppetry.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Uh huh. So you just monitor random talk pages then? Or are you another sock? Groupthink (talk) 19:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, talk pages that make accusations of socking are of interest to checkusers. No, everyone who disagrees with you is not a sock. Repeatedly accusing editors of socking without providing evidence is considered a personal attack, so you either need to stop making unfounded accusations, or you need to open an SPI.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Just, wow... Instead of actually addressing my question and concerns, you've accused me (and Doug Weller) of sock puppetry. That's more serious than you realize, evidently. As Ponyo already stated, you'd be better served to address the issues raised by other editors rather than attacking them. I'd ask that you strike your accusation and we can move on afresh. ButlerBlog (talk) 20:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Groupthink You should strike all such accusations, wildly assuming people who agree are likely to be socks is a terrible idea, especially when as you now know I’m a checkuser and you managed to attract another here. Doug Weller talk 20:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Groupthink: It would appear that you've taken some time off from Wikipedia, and a cool down period may be a good idea. However, I want to point out that my request that you strike your accusations remains. And I will politely point out that I expect you to address it. Baseless accusations of sockpuppetry are serious violations of WP:CIVILITY that breach the core principle of WP:AGF. I understand that sometimes things are said in the heat of the moment, and I'm sure that's the case here; so, if you specifically strike through your comments, I'll take that as an appropriate retraction, and we can all move on. I don't speak for Doug, but I am fairly certain that he would accept that as well. (Note: simply blanking things sends an entirely different message, so stick to striking.) ButlerBlog (talk) 17:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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