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Hancock's Halfhour

As mentioned in my edit, other sitcoms have been removed if they were originally radio (such as Hithhikers) and in this case the movie was based on an episode of the radio series. Duggy 1138 02:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Be careful, your comments are borderline abusive.

Duggy 1138 21:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you understand WP:OR. Please read it. Thanks.

Duggy 1138 02:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Remake: "With the exception of remakes such as 1998's Psycho, which is almost a shot-for-shot color recreation of the 1960 film, remakes generally make significant character, plot, and theme changes. For example, the 1968 film The Thomas Crown Affair is centered on a bank robbery, while its 1999 remake involves the theft of a valuable piece of artwork. Similarly, when the 1969 film The Italian Job was remade in 2003, few aspects were carried over. Another notable example is the 1932 film Scarface which was remade in 1983 starring Al Pacino; whereas the 1932 is centered around bootleg alcohol, the 1983 version is based around cocaine." Duggy 1138 (talk) 12:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I did what you asked and now you're still complaining.

And, yes, it is uncivil to tell someone to do something they've already done.

Duggy 1138 13:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The Goons

Was it written by Spike Milligan?

Duggy 1138 (talk) 00:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Calm yourself down a little and reply in a civil manner. Thanks.

Duggy 1138 (talk) 12:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You do seem to like getting into scraps.

Duggy 1138 13:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't dicussing the ref, I was discussing the other comments.

Now that you've said: "Maybe your basic urge to shout me down is getting in your way of being able to read" you should probably rethink your claim of civility.

I have no basic urge to shout you down. I disagreed that a sitcom that first appeared on radio should appear on a series that first appeared on television. I disagreed that The Goons spun-off into a film until you clarified with more information. This is the process of editing. You're the one telling me what I can and cannot do and what I should and should not do.

Why reference the "Calm down" post a second time... you're concept of time and timing of changes seems to be severly disrupted.

Thanks.

Duggy 1138 14:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for finally seeing my point.

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Mr Bean, Sitcom?

How is Mr Bean a Sitcom? What situation is involved? I certainly agree that it is a comedy, but a sitcom, no. It's a series of sketches with the same main character. Very different thing. Did you not realise this or do you know, and are still sore over the Hancock's Half Hour thing? Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, you are defending it. Obviously.

There is one running character (Bean), a few semi-regular characters.

There is no narrative, especially the early specials where there are 3 separate sketches.

I don't know League of Gentlemen well enough to comment.

I don't know "The Worker", however, "Some Mothers Do Have Them" had a wife, home etc in most episodes there his ongoing attempts to find a job he wouldn't stuff up. There was a definate "situation" there.

I engage in dialogue. Who posted to whom first?

It fits a definition *sort of*? That's not fitting. That it certainly OR.

The animated series, from the little I've seen, is much closer to being a sitcom, but the specials certainly aren't. After all, Rowan had already been doing two of the sketches from the original special as part of his stage show.

If you really think it's more a sitcom than a sketch comedy perhaps you should change the info box on the Mr Bean page which disagrees with you.

Duggy 1138 (talk) 01:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the pages being referenced defines it as: "a genre of comedy performance in which recurring characters take part in humorous story lines centred on a common environment, such as a family home or workplace." There is basically one recurring character (not characters) and no common environment. It also says "The definition of a sitcom leaves quite a lot to open to individual interpretation... We've had to use our own judgement in some cases to decide whether a programme which displays only some of the attributes of a sitcom should appear on this website or not. In most cases we've given the programme the benefit of the doubt." Which means its use as a reference is dodgy as best.

Wikipedia says "Sitcoms usually consist of recurring characters in a common environment such as a home or workplace, and usually include laughtrack." OK, it has a laugh track, but that's hardly a defining feature. "has a storyline plot and is more or less comedic drama" for the most part Mr Bean doesn't. The later ones had a little more storyline (which is when I stopped enjoying them) and I'm sure the movies do (But I've avoided them). The early ones especially, don't have a storyline, but are rather a series of sketches. "The essence of the current, modern situation comedy on television is that the characters remain in the same situation from episode to episode." Nope. "The term was adopted to distinguish the sitcom from other comedy formats: sketch comedy, which generally featured new characters and situations each outing, or the humorous monologue or dialogue, which did not feature characters." Although Bean himself does reoccur in the sketches, that's pretty common these days. That he is the only character is a little out of the ordinary, but hardly prohibitive. Anyway, it's one element missing from it being a sketch comedy, whereas many are missing from it being a sitcom.

Marketing Dictionary: sitcom [1] "television program focusing on the humorous side of real-life situations. Sitcoms are often centered on a family or pseudo-family situation. ... Typically, the sitcom is a 30-minute program, where the situation is presented in the first 10 minutes, developed in the next 10 minutes, and then resolved in the last 10 minutes." Once again, Bean doesn't fit.

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: situation comedy (above link) "television comedy series that involves a continuing cast of characters in a succession of episodes. Often the characters are markedly different types thrown together by circumstance and occupying a shared environment such as an apartment building or workplace. Typically half an hour in length ... they are marked by verbal sparring and rapidly resolved conflicts." No continuing cast (except Bean, basically), no shared environment, no verbal sparing or conflict resolution.

Why, exactly do you think that Mr Bean is a Sitcom?

Duggy 1138 (talk) 06:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Definitions of categories are usually couched in usuallys and commonlys. Look at music styles, the definition of SF or what constitutes a Superhero. Hancock is certainly a borderly line case... it is a single-sketch show woven into a sitcom. I can't comment on LoG. BEAN Narrative plot structure

• Two episodes had a narrative plot structure (well, vaguely, at least.) The rest are sketches, some of the linked, but you'd be had press to find a narrative (other then "Mind the Baby & Room XX)

Recurring character*s*

• His gf appears in what 3 sketches? The recurring characters in a sitcom are meant to interact. They are a group of friends, family or workmates who all appear week after week. Not one recurring character and some characters that reoccur once or twice.

Extended beyond sketch length

• Except two episodes, it really isn't.

You admit that it wasn't a sitcom but when played togther it "looks like" one, well, hello, that means it isn't one. A local station played the first futurama film as 3 episodes, it doesn't make it a new series. What is your problem with keeping wikipedia accurate? The BBC might have it categories as a sitcom on some list somewhere, but when they did a poll of the 100 best sitcoms it didn't appear... and you really think that people didn't think of it, or that it was excluded? Duggy 1138 (talk) 10:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, there's one solid reference, the words "sitcom" in the info on a BBC site. Though it seems (but I guess can't be proven) that the BBC thinks otherwise when it came to the poll about Sitcoms. Even the wikipedia page lists it as "physical comedy/sketch comedy" in the info box and not sitcom (but you can't cite an wikipedia page on wikipedia). (In the interests of full disclosure I recently removed the "ITV Sitcom" category from the page - the only reference to it being a sitcom - and once I replaced it with "ITV comedy" there seems to have been no protest.

The problem is it's impossible to prove a negative. While a lot of people will "give the benefit of the doubt" or use Sitcom as a catch-all for half-hour comedy so cites for that are easy to find, reliable citation say "Mr Bean is not a sitcom" is much harder. It turns up on forums all the time, but they aren't reliable sources.

I gave you four solid definitions that aren't mine. I have no personal definition, but I pretty much accept the four I gave you. The way I see it there are three many components to a sitcom "a main location/s" (workplace, home, bar) + "a group of people" (family, friend, workmates) + "a hook" (will-they-won't-they, social-inept). Now, a show can have 2 of those and still scrape in as a sitcom, but to only have one... And Bean only has the social inept thing... doesn't fit.

As to how much I know about Bean, well, I remember trivial stuff, especially TV & film stuff. Add to that that I've looked into some of the stuff during this debate. I mean, I thought that the episodes reached a point and stopped having multiple seperate stories and went to single stories, however, it seems that they only did that briefly, and went back to 3 - 5 stories again.

Personally, I'd prefer the list to err on the side of caution... I'd rather a list which had only 100% sitcoms that had were citably turned into films rather than have it full of maybe sitcoms and possible spin-off films. Honestly, I'd prefer it to be "television comedy" -> "film" so we can add Monty Python and whatever else, rather than just sitcoms, but that's what we've got. Duggy 1138 (talk) 03:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you don't tell anyone we agree I won't tell anyone. As for musicals (which I generally hate) I tend to say that when a conversation is had in song instead of dialogue... By which first Blues Brothers film become sololy due to "Think" by Aretha. However, I'm not knowledgeable on these things. The only think, IMHO, that stops Bean being a sketch comedy, IMHO, is that there is one character instead of a number of them... and I'm not really sure that that's a defining factor of a sketch comedy, but rather what we are used to. Since most of the episodes are made up of separate sketches it really does fit the definition. Well, it would basically be this page with a few editions (Monty Python, obviously - although only "...And Now For Something Completely Different" is a remake any with "Monty Python" in the title is obviously an offical spin-off. There would be problems with comedy duos with sketch shows appearing together in film, people would add them whether there was any offical connection or not. But the Bean problem would be solved. I can't see why TV Comedy -> Film isn't and more or less needed then Sitcom -> Film... if the comedy -> film list was oversized and out of control, sure, but otherwise, I don't think the narrowing is needed. Duggy 1138 (talk) 07:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, Good call correcting that. You seem to know more about Eastwood than even I do. Just looking at your editing history. Do you somehow know him? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 09:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm gradually improving the article and will help promote it to FA someday, I was wondering if you would be interested in helping myself and Nehrams2020 improve the article. Offhand it needs a image/popular culture section which I'm not looking forward to writing as it is difficult to avoid POV and original research and is likely to attract fan crufters. But I think such a section discussin his image and acting/directing style is perfectly appropriate. Could you help me write a decent referenced section in User:Dr. Blofeld/Launch Pad 2? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I thought you'd be interested? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Harry Palmer

I see you re-reverted the weird comment on the Harry Palmer talk page. I had reverted it on first sight, but on reflection - it was only on the talk page, and even if it is OR and stupid, he probably had a right to post it, and I probably didn't have the right to take it out. So I left it - the chances of a consensus on including the theory in the page are not enormous, after all. :-) -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 18:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing my booboo on The Good etc page. It has been changed so many times that I got messed up on which one is right - this is especially bad since I posted the correct version on the talk page at one point. Thanks again and happy editing. MarnetteD | Talk 20:15, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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