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Romney sheep

Hello, I hope I remember how to sign this properly. I not, my e-mail address is sqs1@columbi.edu. Thank you for addressing my comments and thank you for agreeing with most of them. Let's work together to upgrade the article to GA status, whatever, that is. I'll start by getting a source about the role of Romneys in the high-end carpeting industry. I don't think it's worth looking for a source that backs up the claim of greater resistance to foot rot. This has become axiomatic in Romney promotional literature, but is not likely to have an objective basis. It could easily be dropped and the space given to more secure claims to fame such as importance in the high-% wool floor covering industry and predominance as the foundation pure breed in NZ for the last 150 years. To add international perspectives, I have a nice picture of Romney ram lambs (borregos) in Uruguay. The breed standard (applicable in some countries mostly to showing, in others applied also to registration)is something we could go lightly on. The emphasis on nose color and hoof color is mostly aesthetic, and de gustibus non est diputandum. I'll try to send you something on the early history of the breed, or rather the early recognition of the breed, which is one of the more senior English breeds but not the most senior. Still don't feel ready to make any edits myself. Let's keep talking a while longer. Best, --Sawyer12477 23:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)sawyer12477

Hello again.

GA status- Good Article status, requirements found at WP:GA.

Since many readers of these articles aren't really involved in the sheep industry- as these articles are a lot more basic than many out there- I think if we can find a reliable source for the foot rot, it can be put in. It doesn't have to be long- just a sentence or two- but just a mention of it, as it would be something new to those who know nothing about Romneys. Thoughts?

What I've noticed about the article is that there's really nothing about the purpose of the Romney, just the appearance and characteristics, mainly. Adding info about the Romneys in the floor covering industry would be a great idea- but I really don't know much about that at all.

Please add the photo! The photo of the Romney ewes is from the farm where I'm based, and I was saying just today with a friend that we should replace it- it doesn't really show the Romney that well.

I think the section on Romney characteristics is needed, but as you said, the article should be focused a lot more on the uses of Romneys, history/origins, and doesn't need to lean as heavily on what they should look like.

As you said, I agree about the hoof and nose colour. It's not really important, but as the farm where I'm based focusses heavily on showing animals, a lot more emphasis is put on the colouring there. I think in the article we should really show all points of a romney, mentioning the ideal colouring, but as we both know, it's not of utmost importance, and more emphasis should be on the history of the breed, as you said.

The information would be welcome, if you could send it to me.

Do you feel there are more sections that could go into the article? I'll have to look at external websites, but I think we've covered a lot. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 10:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I'll be pegging away, get something to you soon. I,m about to call some in NZ about Romney genetics, bit it's not for wiki. I looked at some of the other sheep breed articles in Wiki and the Romney page is a lot further along than most already. Will look up about GA status. Checked your user page trying to reply to you and see you raise Romneys in Australia. Good on yer! Sawyer 12477 Sawyer12477 19:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Sawyer 12477

Hello again! Just got back from a cattle workshop, so I'm trying to get back into the sheep frame of thought!

Yes, I work on a farm that raises Romneys over here. The lambing's been really good, the flock's looking really promising.

After reading that reply, I just had a look at some of the other sheep breed pages, and you're right! Heaps of really small articles, not much information at all... I'll be working on the Charolais and Angus articles next, but I'm determined to do the Romney page first!

If you could get that information to me that would be good. I'm going to be going through my computer for some documents I was given, but I don't think there's a lot, most of it's on cattle. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 05:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Wow, I got smiled at! Thanks, that brightened up my day a little. I even stopped by Cattle judging and rewrote it some, so there. I'm glad you like the Princess Bride, isn't it amazing? See you! Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 22:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Haha, glad it did. Wow, that rewrite was great... I've been meaning to do it for ages, then start and kind of... stop. You did it really well, thanks!

It's an amazing movie! Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 08:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hi CattleGirl, As such I haven't required any help as of now. Thank you for your support, you may remove adoption template. I will contact you in case I need help. Thanks again Nadesai 17:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Romney page

Hello, cattle girl, I will try to send you a draft and a couple of pictures. What I've done is quite long,but I guess wiki does not really have limitations on space, right? I have also looked at the article on "wool" since we could save space on the Romney page if able to refer to the wool article for discussion of fiber diameter and coefficient of variation. If you look at the wool article you will see I accidentally edited it with what I thought was a discussion. Here goes an attempt to send you text, no photos yet.

The Romney (sheep)

The Romney, once called the Romney Marsh or the Kent sheep, is a “long-wool” breed that emerged in England by 1800. Exported to other continents, the Romney is now the world’s second (to the Merino) most economically important sheep breed. This position comes from the breed’s past and continuing majority share of the New Zealand sheep-meat and wool export trades.

Origins

The breed developed in Kent and East Sussex in and around the small area of low-lying meadows collectively known since the Middle Ages as “Romney Marsh.” [Need to link from those two words to Wiki article on Romney Marsh]. For many centuries sheep were brought to this district from other parts of England for autumn finishing. Although chilly in winter and fever-ridden, “The Marsh” contained rich pastures of alluvial soil “inned” (protected by dikes) from the sea between 1150 and 1400. This made for good pre-market grazing. The sheep recognized by 1800 as “Romney Marsh” or “Kent” were descended from some of the seasonal incomers retained and admixed with blood from Northern Europe. “Romneys are said to be somewhat resistant to foot rot, liver flukes and other problems that often plague sheep in damp pastures.” Simmons P, Ekarius C Storey’s Guide to Raising Sheep. North Adams MA, Storey Books, 2001 p. 68

Appearance To describe a sheep breed, pictures are useful but not always generalizable. “Breed standards” have been developed for most registered sheep breeds of the world, usually by the registering body itself. Some breed standards emphasize outward appearance; others give more weight to heritable characteristics. Some specify lower or upper limits of size. Most of the text of any breed standard describes an overall sound animal rather than breed-distinguishing features. That said, here is the standard of the oldest of the Romney breed societies, that of England (founded 1895) as it was set out in 1990.

The Official Description of the typical Romney sheep is as follows: Head wide, level between ears, with no horns nor dark hair on the poll. Eyes should be large, bright and prominent and the mouth sound. Face in ewes full, and in rams broad and masculine in appearance. Nose and hooves should be black. Neck well set in at the shoulders, strong and not too long. Shoulders well put in and level with the back. Chest wide and deep. Back straight and long, with a wide and deep loin. Rump wide, long and well-turned. Tail set almost even with the chine. Thighs well let down and developed. The face should be white, and the skin of a clean pink colour. Ribs should be well sprung. Legs well set, with good bone and sound feet. Sheep should stand well on their pasterns. The fleece should be of white colour, even texture and a good decided staple from top of head to end of tail and free from kemp. Source: Approved at the Annual General Meeting of Members of the Romney Sheep Breeders’ Society, Great Britain, published in the Centenary Handbook of the Romney Sheep Breeders’ Society (1995)

Today’s Romney sheep varies among and also within continents, especially as to body size. The breed can still be characterized in that respect as being in the larger half of the spectrum represented say by Cheviot (smaller end) to Lincoln (larger end). An English description of size (Centenary Handbook, p. 4) speaks of “big sheep” ewes to 85 kg, rams to 110 kg, while the American breed standard calls for ewes at breeding age to be “140 lbs or more” and rams “200 lbs or more.” www.americanromney.org The registering bodies for most sheep breeds continue to struggle with the question of what size is just right. This question has no transnational or even national answer. Relevant issues include economics, ecology, and the exigencies (in some countries) of the show ring.

As with body size, criteria for the ideal Romney fleece vary place to place, but breeders in all countries would agree that bold crimp (undulations along the fibre from butt to tip) and bold lock formation characterize the Romney fleece. A healthy mature ram not worked too hard can yield at shearing upwards of 10 kg per year, while flock averages in NZ for reproducing animals are typically above 5 kg. The increased fleece weight of a long-wooled sheep comes from the longer fiber length produced. A finer-wooled sheep (e.g. Merino, Rambouillet) actually has more wool follicles than the long-wooled sheep, but each supports a slower-growing, and therefore shorter, fiber. The “clean yield” [net weight after thorough washing] is typically high for Romneys, 75-80%; this is a higher yield than is got for most fine-wooled sheep.

The single most important dimension of wool, which above all else determines its best use, is average fiber diameter (AFD). High AFD indicates best use in carpeting and other rugged uses; lowest AFD wools are destined for fine suit fabrics and luxury wear. Average fiber diameter must be measured with instruments; the time-honored “Bradford system,” which uses the eyes and hands of experienced humans, has some correlation to measured AFD but can be biased. [is there a wiki entry on the Bradford system? We’d better put one in if there is not]. Again, countries differ in what they expect in a Romney fleece and in how this is expressed. America, for example, declares the Romney fleece should be [Bradford system] “44s to 50s.” Transformed arbitrarily into micrometers (microns) this corresponds to 29.30 to 36.19 microns, much “stronger” than average fiber diameter found in “fine” and“superfine” breeds like some Merinos. Breed standards notwithstanding, many Romneys considered outstanding in all respects by competent judges have AFDs above 36 microns.

In all breeds of wool sheep, uniformity of fiber diameter over body areas that grow good wool is almost as important as average fiber diameter. Too much variation in AFD makes yarns harder to spin well, especially in mills. The ratio of standard deviation to mean (average) fiber diameter is called the coefficient of variation. The lower this ratio, the better. The subject is important because no discussion of wool quality statistics is complete without mention of dispersion. The single most important end-use of Romney wool is in yarns for high-quality floor coverings, and mills that make carpet yarns have a special interest in strong wools with relatively low variability in AFD.

The Romney’s fleece is ideal for hand-spinning, and is often recommended to beginners. In the United States, where there is no commercial end-use for strong wools, the most desired outlet for Romney wool is to hand-spinners. Only a small fraction of the thousands of Romney fleeces shorn in the US each year, however, go to this use. Romney wool in NZ goes mostly into that country’s vast shipments of wool for the rug and carpet factories of the EU, the USA, Australia and NZ itself. New Zealand is the world’s largest producer and exporter of “crossbred” wool (a term for wool with average fiber diameter >35.4 microns). In 2002-2003 the country exported approximately 138,000 tonnes clean basis, about half of which was of AFD >35.4 microns, the Romney range. Source Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries New Zealand. In the same year, total wool exports returned nearly one billion $NZ, about 3% of total merchandise exports revenues for the country.

In North America and England, natural-colored Romneys (whose fleeces are not white, but black, gray, silver, brown, variegated) came to be valued rather than extirpated, for the interest they brought to hand-spinners and weavers who like the palette of natural colors. Traditionally, as everyone remembers, natural colored (formerly known “black”) sheep were detested because even a small amount of black fiber such as comes off a forgotten coin-sized spot on an otherwise white sheep can ruin hundreds of pounds of fiber and a grower’s reputation. Since 1973 natural-colored Romneys have been registered with the American Romney Breeders’ Association (founded 1911), which has developed a special breed standard for them.

Usefulness of Romneys

The first confirmed export of Romneys from England was a shipment of twenty from Stone, Kent that went on the Cornwall to NZ in 1853. With these and a further thirty ewes sent in 1856, Alfred Ludlum established New Zealand’s first Romney Marsh stud in 1860 in the Hutt Valley. In 1855 there had been 60,000 Merinos in NZ, but the Romney Marsh sheep thrived, supplanting the Merino over most of the country. The New Zealand Romney Marsh Association was formed in 1904. Alfred Matthews was the first president; the stud he founded, Waiorongamai, is still going. In 1965 three-quarters of the national flock was Romney source McKenzie Anna A Century of the NZ Romney New Zealand Farmer 2000: 7: 14-19

In the mid-1990s www.meatandwoolnz.com Romneys comprised 58% of the New Zealand sheep flock (estimated in 2000 at 45 million), with Coopworths (originally Border Leicester on Romney crosses) ) and Perendales (originally Cheviot on Romney crosses) making up another 16.6% of the national flock, in which Merinos stood at 7% and Corriedales at 5.5%. The sheer number of Romney ewes and lambs in New Zealand make the breed the major input to the country’s export lamb trade, as purebreds and first-generation crosses. NZ , with its 47% share, is the world’s largest exporter of lamb www.maf.govt.nz/statistics In 2004 NZ sheep-meat exports (mostly of lamb) brought in more than half of the country’s 4.5 billion $NZ meat export revenues.

The New Zealand export lamb trade started in 1882 with a shipment aboard the Dunedin of 4000 chilled carcasses to London’s Smithfield Market. To this day Feb 15, departure date, is celebrated as New Zealand Lamb Day.

For many years England was the primary source of Romneys for export to the world, although NZ was itself exporting by around 1906. Between 1900 and 1955 eighteen thousand rams and 9000 went from England to 43 countries. Source Centenary Handbook p. 20 Health requirements in recent decades have made New Zealand almost the only breeding ground for exported seed stock, with Brazil, Uruguay, the Falklands, the U.S. and England itself some of the recipients of rams and of semen for AI. END OF DRAFT

Can I send pictures this way too? Let me know. Can I send text as an attachment rather than putting it into body of email?

That seems to be going in. The references need checking and postioning.

Thanks,

--Sawyer12477 23:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC) sawyer12477

Wow, that's good. You wrote that, right?

If so, do you want to put it in the article, or me to? I can format it later if you like, but that reads well.

You can send me an email off wiki here if you want to with the picture, and some text, or you can continue this way. You can also send me links to pictures if they're on the internet? You can attach text if you send it off-wiki too.

So that's all good... more information in the wool article would be welcome, definitely. We could also summarise a bit in the Romney article, and just place links to the wool article, that would work.

I don't think there's an article on the bradford system, so we should add it, you're right. Or into the wool article, depending on how much information we can find.

I think that's about all I meant to say... it can all be put in, except some more explaining should be done, for not everyone would know what the poll, for example, is. There's a couple of things like that, a couple of things that can be merged into the wool article with some links. Other than that, as I said before, it's really good.

That's all I can think of for now...

Thanks- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 10:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Signed your autograph book! Happy Collecting! --24.136.230.38 21:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok, thanks. Hey, just adding to what others have said before me... do you think you'll get an account... adding my 2c I think you should! Anyway, cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 09:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm back, sorta.  :)

I caught a bad cold near the end of my vacation that just won't let go. But we can start doing admin coaching soon. I'll have to look over the reading list and think of some things to start with. What kinds of things would you like to learn? -- Merope 13:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's a shame! I hope you get better soon.

What things would I like to learn? Various things... deleting, blocking, that's two I can thing about at the moment... they're the sort of things I'd be focusing on as an admin, I think. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 07:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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who are katmandu and olivia??? there is something written in their three cheers for sweet revenge cd???66.215.183.113 02:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Did you read this in an article? CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 07:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hey waz up?Are you a Panic! fan?If u r totally cool.I also love Dave Matthews Band,Third eye Blind,artists Mika,and Lily Allen.But Panic! takes it to a whole notha level. -Ryanluvsme [but bden luvs me more]Believe me its true.Seriously.p.s. can i change my nickname? CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!peace.

Haha, hi. Yeah, I'm a Panic! fan... I like all alternative stuff, really, they're really good, aren't they?

When you say can you change your nickname, do you mean your IP address? You can always create an account, then you can call yourself whatever you want.

Cheers! CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 13:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Romney sheep

Hello Cattle Girl, about the Romney page I may be missing something via email. Please let me know if you got a version about 4 days ago that had three additional photographs in it. I am hoping you can post that version, while keeping the photo of ewe and twin lambs. I hink you replied to that e-mailing from me but I have not seen your reply. Was it off Wiki? Where should I look for it? Thanks --Sawyer12477 22:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)Sawyer12477

Adoption Request

Hi, i am seeking adoption to learn more about how to be a editor for Wiki. My main interests are music (mainly rock bands) and Australian articles. I am from Queensland, Australia.Boylo 01:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boylo (talk • contribs) 01:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Will you adopt me?

Hello CattleGirl!

I was wondering if you would adopt me as I am a newbie. After reading the bio's from other adopters, you sounded like a cool person that had similar interests to mine. I love rock music and also play the guitar. I'm also on wikipedia everyday but mostly to read articles. I'm looking to update or even create new articles, but I lack the experience and knowledge to make a submission that meets wikipedia standards. I could fumble around and try to learn this on my own, but I thought It would be cool to be adopted and meet other wiki users. Hope to hear from you.

Cheers! Alcoholica1 06:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll adopt you. It's cool that I can work alongside someone with the same interests as me...

You don't seem to have been given the official welcome yet, so I've posted it above. In there is heaps of links that would be helpful to you to know some more about the wiki, if you're interested.

Do you have any questions at the moment?

Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 08:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Romney sheep

Hello, I seem to have lost touch with you about the Romney sheep article changes. You may be away, or not getting my e-mails because I sent them wrong. Maybe just too busy! Do update me please on whether you got a proposed revision of the article, which included three new photos. I sent you the revision, rather than putting something right onto the page, for three reasons: first, I regard you as the editor of that page and prefer not to change it without your agreement; second, the text I sent needed marking-up to get internal and external links in the right format. I took a stab at that but did not get it all right, I know; third, I don't know at all how to put photos in.

I think I've learned enough now to be able to enter text, though not just right. Clueless on pictures.

By the way, the article will need a category tag of your choice. I only just learned about those. Perhaps [[category:sheep]] would suffice or maybe something more vertical.

If I don't hear from you at all in a few days I will try to post the revision as it now stands, but I hope to hear from you. Cheers, Sawyer12477 12:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)Sawyer12477

Hi, sorry about the late reply... my computer wasn't working for a few days, so very limited internet access.

I have my email open now, and I have in my inbox 2 emails from you, and none of them contain photos. Could your perhaps resend the version with the photos?

Please, feel free to update the page any way you see fit, I don't mind whether you contact me about it first or not. I'm fine with this sort of communication, but if you see anything that needs changing, please, change it!

I can put the photos in and do the links... but as I said before, I haven't recieved any other messages rather than the two in my inbox (no pictures) and the ones on this talk page.

I'll have to have a look about agriculture related categories- I hadn't thought of that. Looking forward to your email, I'm suer it will improve the article a lot. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 12:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Just wanted to say thank you for your Help Desk help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Besseme (talk • contribs) 14:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Romney sheep

Hello, good to hear from you. Probably the photos did not travel, or possibly they would have appeared after a longer time of waiting. I'll send them as three separate attachments off wiki and the latest version of the text, which is almost the same as that I sent last week. Incidentally, I have a new and up to date figure on Romneys in NZ from the NZ Meat and Wool people. It's 40 millision sheep, of which 23 million are Romneys. That's a personal communication, and it's not too different from what I have in the article; so we won't use the latest numbers but the latest numbers do prove the point that got me into writing all this, that interest in Romneys is not declining in NZ. Despite all the talk about crossbreds and hybrid vigor and so forth, the Romney is still the foundation breed of NZ 150 years after it arrived. Thanks --Sawyer12477 23:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)Sawyer12477

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Nomination for adminship

Hello CattleGirl (you may remember me from commenting on my editor review a while back)! I have been looking over your Wikipedia efforts and past contributions, and I would like to heartily endorse you as a candidate for adminship. You show all the qualities Wikipedians look for in an administrator: strong contributions, dedication to chores and vandal fighting, friendly user interactions and a strong desire to help the project. Would you like to accept this nomination? Krimpet (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Krimpet- sorry for taking so long to reply, I've been considering your offer, and I'd like to accept. Thankyou for offering to nominate me!

I should mention- I'm going away for an agricultural show this weekend, so would you possible be able to create the page on Monday? I don't want to miss any of my RFA.

On the note of RFA's, congratulations on yours! I'm sorry I missed it, but once again, well done, it was well deserved!

Thankyou again- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 09:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I'll work on the RfA over the weekend and have it ready for you to sign on Monday! Krimpet (talk) 08:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great- thanks again! CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 07:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/CattleGirl =) Krimpet (talk) 05:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cheers- I've answered the questions, and added it to the main RFA page. Thanks again :) CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 08:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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Romney sheep

Hello, CattleGirl, please reformat for wiki and start putting it up. The internal link I had to the word "staple" in the British breed standard needs to to be taken out. I had placed a special use definition of staple with the meaning of "lock of wool," on the wiki page for "staple" and it was there for a couple of days but someone took it out. I remonstrated with him by opening a discussion page; don't know what has come of it. Thanks a lot, --Sawyer12477 13:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Sawyer 12477

I'm going away to an ag show this weekend, but I'll work on it when I can- it should be up soon.

I just had a look at the staple article- it was under Staple (textiles) but I moved it to Staple (wool), and the textiles link redirects to that. We should probably expand that article as well- it doesn't explain very well- and also incorporate alpacas, etc.

Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 11:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I just applied for Adopt-A-User.

I was looking through the list of adopters, and you seemed pretty nice. Would you adopt me? - Two-Sixteen.11.222.21 15:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

YAY! - Two-Sixteen.11.222.21 11:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've added the adoption templates to both of our user pages. Do you have any questions, comments, at the moment? Is there anything in particular you'd like to know/be involved in on Wikipedia? CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 11:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to ask a question

Who was Flameviper? - Two-Sixteen.11.222.21 11:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Flameviper was the founder of the adopt-a-user program, but he was indefinitely blocked for disruptive activity. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 12:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Like Nixon? - Two-Sixteen.11.222.21 12:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry- what's Nixon? CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 22:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Richard Nixon, he was a good enough guy but got impeached. - Two-Sixteen.11.222.21 11:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Argh, sorry for the really late reply, I overlooked this message :s.

Not really like Nixon- Nixon resigned, but Flameviper was banned and blocked from editing, as seen at his user page. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 09:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

But after he was banned, it seems like he left forever. Anyway, I looked at his history and it seemed like he had some cool ideas. Would it be okay if I used some of the designs from his userpage? - 2-16 16:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, he did leave forever, really- he's indefinitely blocked, and won't be allowed to edit Wikipedia for a long time, if at all.

It should be fine to use his userpage designs- generally it's good etiquette to ask for permission, but as he's been blocked... I say go for it. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 03:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Romney sheep and wool

Thanks, have fun at the show. I'll look forward to seeing what you put up on the Romney page. We may decide to try and improve a number of articles on wool and sheep and interlink them, make wiki a first-class resource on sheep. Or, maybe won't get that ambitious. best, Sawyer12477--Sawyer12477 21:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Coaching & RFA

I'm so sorry that I wasn't able to be of help to you! Real life kind of caught up with me. I might even have fallen in love. Anyway, I think you're excellent admin material, and will be happy to support your RFA. Good luck! -- Merope 13:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

That's alright Merope- I hope whether I'm successful or not I'll be able to ask you questions. Thanks for saying you'll support me, and good luck to you too! Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 22:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

questions

Hi, Cattlegirl.

I would like to start a wiki for our association which is an organization in university campus. I would like to know how to do that. and do you think i am allowed to do setup a website for that? thanks volterra

Hello

Adopt me? Alcoholica1 19:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for reminding me- I've added adoption tags to both of our userpages. Do you have any questions at the moment? Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 22:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

may you please adopt me?

I would like to build up a wiki page for our association. I would like to have a expert,like you, help me to do that. thanks volterra

Yes, I'm fine to adopt you. Do you have any questions about page building, etc at the moment?

Just echoing what was said above me, generally on Wikipedia you don't create pages about your own association- you have to make sure the association is notable for an article on Wikipedia, and then, if it is, you really have to make sure that you write it in an unbiased way- a neutral description. I can help you do that if you want :).

Cheers, looking forward to hearing from you- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 10:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello

i was wondering if you could adopt me? i have been getting alot of complaints and i need to learn the ropes. i also need someone who can help constantly, so if you cannot, or just dont want to, please let me know asap so i may find another. thank you. BLT420 09:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I can adopt you. Usually I'm on Wikipedia every day, so I'll normally reply to any questions you may have quickly :).

Do you have any questions at the moment?

Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 10:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

yes, its kinda a question, im really just wondering how it works, since i dont understand the wiki pages on it. i upload an image that i dont know what type of copyright to it. everybody keeps complaining, and i didnt think it would be a big thing [1]. im really wondering how i can resolve this without any disputes. i have the rights to post it, just not sure how to. also, thatnks for adopting me! BLT420 10:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :)

Images isn't really my strong point, but I can try to help you...

You've already started resolvign it without disputes, you've been asking people for help, which is great.

To determine the right copyright...

Where did you get the image from? Was it published on a website, did you take it yourself, and if so, can you provide evidence that you own the photo copyright?

I know all of this may seem daunting at first- image copyrights tend to be complex, and we've got pretty strict rules on the copyrights allowed on here. Hang in there :), no one's trying to pick a fight or anything- just trying to help you find the right licensing.

I hope that helped you for now, and I look forward to your reply so we can check out this image licensing :)

Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 10:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

i have learned alot about wiki over the last couple days. i have cleared up my copyright infringements, and added a litle bit more. thank you soo much for adopting me but i think i may be able to go on my own. if its ok, i would still like to have you as a refence, but i dont believe i have any more questions about wiki. thank you soo much for your support!! BLT420 08:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, well done! That's ok- if you have any questions, just ask! Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 08:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

User:CattleGirl/Standards

Added my thoughts on your subpage since you made a table and all. If you do not want people to add to this, sorry. :) - Am thinking of making a page like this myself. - TwoOars ^{(T | C)} 11:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Haha, that's fine. I thought it'd justify the occasional RFA's I vote on... Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 11:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I too want to make a page for the same purpose. Though, till now I didn't feel it worthwhile to !vote at an RfA. :) I commented on one though. And good work with your adoption thing. I'm sure User:BLT420 will do just fine under your tutelage. - TwoOars ^{(T | C)} 11:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:) I suppose !voting isn't everyone's calling.

The adoption should be fine, thanks for the confidence :). Once we get over the copyright bar everything should be ok- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 11:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Request

Could you wikify a table found at a link found at this link? Thanks. [2] --Pupster21 Talk To Me 21:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

(all the way at the bottom) --Pupster21 Talk To Me 21:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I've asked Eleassar as well, how exactly do you want me to edit the table? Just reply back to here, I've already adjusted it a little. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 09:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:ADOPT input

Hello, CattleGirl. The Adopt-a-User program is looking for new ideas and input on the program. If you are still interested please stop by the talk page and read some of the ideas being floated and give a comment. If you want to update or change your information on the adopter's list page, now would be a great time! Thanks! V60 ^{干什么？ · VDemolitions} 03:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Romney sheep

Hello from Sawyer 12477, How was the Ag show? I hope you can put up the revised Romney page sometime this week. Otherwise I can have a go at it; let me know. Thanks--Sawyer12477 22:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

The show was great, our romney's did really well! We're pretty happy with the results.

I only gained full access to the computer yesterday night after the show, but I'll be sure to work on it this week.

Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 22:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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Your RfA

Hello, I've removed my neutral comments from your RfA and changed it to support, I was being to picky and I think you handled it really well. Good luck, The Sunshine Man 12:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Sunshine Man- as I said on the RFA page, I hadn't thought about it like that- XFD being more a place of discussion. I'll do as you said in future, and clarify more.

Cheers :) CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 00:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Red Angus

I too work with both Black Angus and Red Angus, but i disagree with the merging of the articles, as they are two different breeds, and both merit an article of their own. Over the next few days i'll work to put in more information on the breed, and i know of some websites that talk about the differences in Red Angus and Black Angus that i can put in. However, i strongly disagree with merging the two articles, as they are definitely two very separate breeds. CattleGirl 02:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd still like to see some differences between Red and Black Angus documented on the Red Angus article, to help thwart any arguments towards merging those two articles in the future. Thanks! --Steelviper 14:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I'd forgotten about that- after finishing expanding some other articles, I'll be sure to move onto Red Angus. Thanks for reminding me- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 00:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Delete

Hi CattleGirl,

I have a question regarding speedydelete. If I want to completely delete an article, because it has no content or the content and article are pure vandalism, do I use the speedeydelete template? And how do I correctly type the template?

Thanks,Alcoholica1 22:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alcoholica1,

Yes, the speedy deletion tag is the tag you can use with the two examples you mentioned above. A number of other articles can also be speedy deleted, provided it meets the Criteria for Speedy Deletion. Just make sure before adding the template that you check the page history- someone may have just blanked the article or vandalised it, and that can be reverted.

A full list of all available templates can be found [[Category:Speedy deletion templates|here]]. For example, if you were going to tag a page that had no content, you would type {{db-empty}}.

I hope that answered your question well enough, if not, tell me! Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 00:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Romney sheep

By George, you're moving right along. I'm so grateful. Will make no further comment until you finish. Thanks much --Sawyer12477 23:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

And... done. Romney (sheep). I'm still going to be re-writing it some, to make it a bit simpler to read for younger readers, or readers who don't know as much about sheep... but that's the article. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 09:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

cheers

This is a somewhat belated thanks for your removal of the vandalism on the analog v digital sound page :) Enescot 21:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome- it was really persistent vandalism! Someone was determined... Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 00:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Hi, CattleGirl

Thanks for adopting me. I am very happy that you are able to offer your help to me. I am going to work on my website. I will upload some informationa and ask you for your suggestions. Is that the way we work together?

I am sorry that I am really not familiar how the wiki works. I probably have more question to bug you in the future.

Thanks volterra

Hi, Volterra, you're welcome.

How would you like the adoption to work? Generally, you edit the encyclopedia and ask me any questions you may have, and perhaps ask for my suggestions, and I'll in turn offer tips.

Feel free to bug me with any questions you might have! :) Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 03:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Romney sheep

Hello Cattle Girl, thank you for putting up the rest of the article. I have made some changes in the version you posted, the main one of which was moving the text about the arrival of Romneys in NZ to an earlier point. Also I took out some lines that were redundant and most of the description of the breed left over from the version that stood when I began to correspond with you.

I removed, for instance, the statement that Romneys usually lamb in "mid-spring, " because when they lamb depends very much on the intentions of the breeder. In Romney Marsh many people aim to lamb starting in early April, while in the US many people are getting half their lambs by the end of Feb.

Your idea of editing for younger or less experienced readers is very good.

Are we ready to change the category away from a stub? Seems to me we have at least a "good article" now, but perhaps you want to work with it some more before seeking an upgrade.

Thanks for all your work and help. We've come a long way I think.--Sawyer12477 03:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

All that sounds good- all it needs is perhaps a little rephrasing every now and then, and checking to see if it fits the good article guidelines. I'll have a look to see whether it meets the guidelines soon... I've removed the stub tag, you're right.

I think we might need to break the text up a bit more, and maybe omit some sheep jargon? I've linked as much as I could...

Do you have any ideas?

Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 07:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrator

Congratulations, you are now an administrator - with almost unanimous support! If you haven't already, now is the time look through the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Warofdreams talk 16:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, it's certainly well deserved. Best of luck! Ryan Postlethwaite 17:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Now you can continue your dedicated hard work with a couple extra tools in your toolbox. =) Good luck, and congratulations! Krimpet (talk) 17:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Nice one. A single oppose, 1 neutral, and 1 more oppose that was posted by a troll and removed: a good success overall. :) Acalamari 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks to all users who participated- I'll try to live up to your expectations/standards! I'll be taking it slowly at first, but you'll be seeing me around :). Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 00:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Congratulations on becoming an administrator

You should do well! - 2-16 17:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

HI, CattleGirl Thanks for your kindness. I would like to know how to start a new topic on wiki? thanks volterra

Thanks!

Thanks for the userpage revert, CattleGirl! Much appreciated :) Cheers, – Riana_ऋ 07:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Many thanks for that! Extranet ^talk 08:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello again CattleGirl, I see you've made your way to becoming an administrator! *high five* Anyway, I've come here because I noticed constant revisions while I was monitoring the #vandalism-en-wp IRC channel on User_talk:Dfjng. I peeked back in the history and noticed that you added a block notice and the phrase "Please note that continuous reversions of this page may result in the page being protected." This is definitely what is happening, as you can see. User:DarkSaber2k and User:Stephenb may be making quesitonable amounts of reversions that are mucking up my vandal hunting spaces. We've got much better things for them to do than revert a blocked user's talk page! Thanks, [Mac Δαvιs] ❖ 10:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Mac Davis, *high five* :)

Yes, I blocked the user, but as he can still edit the talk page, that is what he'd been doing... you see, whenever I tried to protect it he reverted back right at that second... frustrating. I've protected the page now, and I'm about to add a note. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 10:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting adminship!

Congratulations. As I said in the RfA vote, I'd been getting ready to nominate you myself! :-) Walton ^{Need some help?} 18:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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Ah, so the nomination was stolen from you. :) Acalamari 01:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Haha, sorry Walton :). Thanks to both of you for participating in the RFA as well, I appreciate it. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 09:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome! :) I was glad to strongly support you. Acalamari 17:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)