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Updates to history section - should the discussion of history of spectacles be removed and just reference the Wikipedia article on Glasses?

I made a few updates to the history section:

The first part of the history section indirectly referred to Needham's observations regarding Laufer's paper, and a couple paragraphs later Needham specific objections were mentioned. I moved Needhams direct observation on Laufer's paper to the first paragraph, so they were not as separated as they previously were, and revised the paragraph so it made it clear that it was Laufer's paper Needham was discussing, which wasn't clear from the way it was written.

Also, by moving the comment it made it clear that it was the later versions, and not the earlier ones, that had mentioned spectacles to answer an objection that was raised.

I added a reminder to make clear that Laufer's views had already been rejected by Needham and why. Writing in 1907, makes Laufer's work really dated, Needham is much newer. An article dated more than 100 years ago, and relying on indirect evidence at that, is makes a very weak case. Mainstream scholars support the view of spectacles being invented in Italy in the late 13th century, and scholars claiming they were invented in South Asia, are rather a fringe group. Wikipedia articles should not include every fringe theory simply, and South Asian invention of spectacles is definitely a fringe theory.

Since it was claimed that it was well documented in Sri Lanka, that documentation should be referenced. If the reference isn't provided, the entire paragraph should be deleted until it is, but I will give a chance for the required reference to be added. And since the date of King Bhuvanekabahu IV is after the existence of spectacles were well established in Europe, I am not sure of the point of the entire paragraph. It must be noted, that the making of lenses doesn't necessarily imply the making of spectacles. Lenses were long used for starting fires, and also seeing stones were used for magnification before the invention of eyeglasses, but the lenses were not used to correct vision. Nothing what was said shows the lenses being made by the Sri Lankan craftsmen were being made to correct vision.

The origin of the name of spectacles is interesting, but again, I question what purpose it has in this article, having nothing to do with optometry itself. In fact, the entire discussion on the history of spectacles in this article perhaps should perhaps be removed, and just refer to the Wikipedia article on "Glasses".

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