Talk:Xochimilco Light Rail

length?

Okay, 37 minutes, but how many km? -- Geo Swan 04:21, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Older line

The Xochimilco streetcar line far predates the time given in your entry. I lived near the line (actually, right off of the Tlalpan line that branched off at Estadio Azteca) in 1984 just prior to it's shutdown for rebuilding. The two lines were the last remnants of the DF's once extensive streetcar network. They used PCC cars designed and built in the USA in the 1930's, some of which were purchased second-hand as US cities discontinued streetcar service (at least some had come from Minneapolis).

In 1984-85 the service was halted and the right-of-way stripped down to the subroadbed and rebuilt to light rail status. Concurrently, the PCC cars were stripped to their frames, re-worked into articulated units, and placed within new carbodies. It was these that were replaced in the 1990's.

As a side note: the PCC was the first mass production streetcar in the world. It was the genesis for all of the modern light rail vehicles used worldwide. It's reliability is attested to by the fact that units are still operating over a short line in Boston, Mass. USA, without the benefit of indoor repair shop (running repairs are made in a pit at the Mattapan terminus).

-- CAM, 1 Sept. 2006

Xochimilco is not Embarcadero

Embarcadero was an extra station (after Xochimilco) active between 1999 and 2004 or something. I know it cause the Guía Roji map marked it then, but doesn't do it anymore. --Fluence (talk) 01:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. Xochimilco > Embarcadero; Francisco Goitia > Xochimilco. These people...--Fluence (talk) 06:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added (in mid-May 2010) more information (with citations) to clarify this confusing history, in the article's prose section and also in the list of stations. SJ Morg (talk) 07:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

to do

It would be good if the article listed the current rolling stock. Geo Swan (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I've done this now. SJ Morg (talk) 07:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

North American cities that never got rid of all their streetcars?

I read this article some years ago. It did not mention that this was an update of the rump of Mexico City's original PCC system. Almost all North American cities got rid of their streetcars. The scrapping of the other cities streetcars now seems ill-advised. The retention of some of their streetcars now seems foresightful.

This should be covered. I am sure verifiable references can be found.

Back in the 1960s or early 1970s I read that only five North American cities retained a streetcar system. I think it named San Francisco, Philadelphia, Toronto, and two other American cities -- and that it did not list Mexico City -- an instance of Anglosphere centrism.

I read that a lobbying campaign of individual city governments, by General Motors, played a big role in the scrapping of streetcars, in favor of GM's buses. If this can be confirmed through verifiable this should be covered in the article on the streetcar scrapping. Geo Swan (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

You may be referring to the Great American streetcar scandal that resulted in a somewhat limited and unfavorable judicial ruling in United States v. National City Lines Inc. but is otherwise dismissed by foes of public transit as having limited meaning in the great switch from rail to bus that took place in the 20th century. 67.86.74.107 (talk) 23:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

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