Talk:World oil market chronology from 2003

Sensible split of what was a too-long article

Well, I for one am very pleased that this has been split away from the oil price rises since 2003 article. It makes much more senseto have two articles, one following every twist and turn of the price and what politicians are saying, and the other to look from further back and discuss the more long term underlying problems of energy supply in a constrained planet... We need to retain the linking between the two articles of course, but that is easily done. Well done, a long overdue fix. Mike

I think this article should be expanded to include the price of oil in 2009 :P 203.36.44.13 (talk) 04:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I was disappointed to see that an article on the world oil market focused exclusively on price and supply concerns (major and minor panics). A part of the story worth telling is the simultaneous growth in emerging nations' consumption and the sharp decline in U.S. Consumption. Whitecheddar22

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Focus on United States

Is there some reason we can't have an article just for U.S. gas prices? I was told I shouldn't add the details that I did to gasoline usage and pricing and that's probably correct.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

On that subject, how did I do? There may be too much detail, but I tried to include all the major milestones in 2010 and 2011.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 16:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Vchimpanzee, I think you have done a great job. I also left a comment on the "Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing" talk page that you may be interested in reading. The comment includes my understanding of the differences between this article and the "Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing" article. Gfcvoice (talk) 03:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I just tried to collect all the information I could.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 16:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved to World oil market chronology from 2003 Mike Cline (talk) 16:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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2003 to 2011 world oil market chronology → 2003 to 2012 world oil market chronology If we want to keep using this article in 2012, the date needs changing. Or we could start a new one for 2012 and future years. –Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

• Comment -- I am not sure why this should start in 2003, but if there is a reason for that, the obvious solution is World oil market chronology from 2003. This will not need to be renamed every year. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. I much prefer Peter's alternative. Jenks24 (talk) 12:00, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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How much oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz?

Source 1 says, "Iran has already threatened to retaliate by blocking the Strait of Hormuz at the entrance to the Gulf, through which 20% of the world's oil exports pass."

Source 2 says, "In total, 35% of the world's tanker-borne oil passes through the strait."

Both are BBC, so it's not like one is less reliable. I went ahead and used a source I had used for something else, until we can get this resolved. I suppose one explanation is that 15% of the world's oil is put on tankers not for export, but for shipping elsewhere in the gulf region. But then we use pipelines in cases like that.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:21, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

pre-2003? pre-1980?

Is there a corresponding wikipedia page for this topic but for earlier periods? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.96.33.47 (talk) 19:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Finishing 2013

I still think the wording looks weird. Also, it will take time to fill in some obvious gaps.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Predictions and speculation

This article is so long and detailed we can't very well put speculation and predictions in it. And yet these might be appropriate somewhere. I think WP:CRYSTAL probably applies.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 00:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I found a bunch of predictions and I don't know where they should go. If I'm trying to cut down on this article's size, it seems those should go. The person probably should have integrated them into the existing content better, so everything would be chronological. All this probably belongs somewhere but not here. I didn't make the discovery until several years later and the person hasn't edited in two years.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Since User:Stockst (inactive since 2017) who added the predictions said in the edit summary they came from Price of oil, I just put them back. The final version of this article will have some of this person's contributions and the other article will have most of the rest. A few details couldn't be used. For example, we don't need to mention what WTI and Brent are. That should have been covered early.

Is all this okay?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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This article is getting too long

I don't know if I added too much detail, but no one has said anything negative since I seem to have become the one person adding text. At what point to we start a new one for, say 2020 through 2029?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:06, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not saying this is how to do it, but it has been suggested to me that the article provide a brief summary, and that the details be included in articles about each group of years. I didn't get involved until 2011, and when I did I added too much detail because people told me I was doing a good job. Here are the userspace drafts; others could suggest to me what to do with them. They have no lede and I'm sure more needs to be done outside the sections for the individual years.

• ‎User:Vchimpanzee/2011 to 2013 world oil market chronology
• User:Vchimpanzee/2014 to 2016 world oil market chronology
• User:Vchimpanzee/2017 to 2019 world oil market chronology

— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

User:Vchimpanzee/World oil market chronology from 2011 is my draft which will replace the sections from 2011 to 2019, assuming the content meets with everyone's approval.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:27, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Warning: ignoring me might result in the results not being to your liking. I'm trying, but I don't expect what I end up with will be what you want.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The advice I received is here. I couldn't even remember where it was posted. Anyway, Peterkingiron didn't post here like I asked.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:43, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

It is done. If anyone doesn't like the results, they have only themselves to blame. And I don't claim anything I did in the main article is anywhere near perfect. Actually, in 2011, I didn't get involved until July, so anything from before that is someone else's work and probably worth keeping.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:52, 22 September 2019 (UTC)