Talk:Windsor historical landmarks

Copyright violation

This article has been cut and pasted from https://www.windsorhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/WHS_Downtown_Walking_Tour.pdf in violation of Wikipedia policies. Please remedy this. Rogermx (talk) 15:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

The document, above, seems to largely also be an extensive use of the Town of Windsor's Historical Landmark list. The Town of Windsor's material are public domain. I was provided a different list, not the walking tour. The Windsor list comes from landmarks recognized by the County of Sonoma which were transferred to the new Twon of Windsor when it was incorporated.MikeVdP (talk) 06:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I commented at User talk:MikeVdP before seeing this discussion. I gather that the Town of Windsor must have two publications, the walking tour plus something else, which both use some of the same exact passages, which they can certainly do. MikeVdP, why do you think the Town of Windsor's materials are public domain? That is almost certainly not true. Works by U.S. Federal employees are generally public domain, but not state or local government works. It is conceivable that the Mayor or some other official of the Town of Windsor could possibly take action to put the material into the public domain, although that would possibly require approval by a resolution of the Town council or other governance system, and it would require coordination with the wp:OTRS system volunteers who can accommodate copyright releases.

But, frankly, I think it is better for Wikipedia editors of historic sites articles to write summaries drawing on materials like the Town of Windsor's, and cite those sources, rather than copying (even if it were legal to copy, which I do not think is the case). The editors of articles on U.S. National Register of Historic Places articles (see WikiProject NRHP, wp:NRHP) work this way.

Assuming that the materials are in fact copyrighted, I think this entire article should be entirely deleted. And MikeVdP could possibly start over but avoid copying. --Doncram (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

The descriptions have, now, been shortened and links to the City's official descriptions have been added. The original material may be open to public use now that the government sources have been found, but the short descriptions are best here.MikeVdP (talk) 00:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Alternative

I just ripped out all of the descriptions from this article, after verifying the first two were just copied text strings. I am not sure if the coordinates are copied from anywhere, maybe those should be deleted too. But I guess it would be okay to proceed by editing here if the copyright-violating text (i.e. text which has been copy-pasted from somewhere) is all deleted, and then if editors can provide properly sourced and non-copyvio information.

I tried developing the article a bit, and added a source or two, but I don't see any source for what are the designated historic sites. If that is not remedied soon, I will delete all of the items that are not supported by sources as being that (i.e. i will delete all of the items, because none are supported). And then take further steps to have this entirely deleted.

What is your source, MikeVdP, about officially designated historic sites in the town? It is not the walking tour document, and I don't see any subpage of the Town's own webpage system. --Doncram (talk) 02:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

By the way, the coordinates given for Mount Weske Stables place it outside the limits of Windsor, as is all of "Mount Weske Drive". Compare what Google maps shows for "Windsor, CA" to the location given. This adds to my belief that the list given is bogus. --Doncram (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Town Official Records

It wasn't easy to find, but the official documents are at https://www.townofwindsor.com/DocumentCenter/View/1466/Historic-Register-and-Resolutions-of-Approval?bidId= https://www.townofwindsor.com/DocumentCenter/View/1465/Historic-Register-and-Resolutions-of-Approval?bidId= (looks to be a slightly earlier version) Are photos in Town records like this subject to copyright? Can they be loaded to Wikimedia Commons? MikeVdP (talk) 00:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Short answer: no, town document photos, and photos taken by town employees, are not in the public domain / copyrights are not released. See discussion at User talk:MikeVdP#copyrighted photos, where I copied the above statement and questions, and discuss. --Doncram (talk) 07:06, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Remove notices?

The article has been improved with references and photos. Can the notices now be removed? If not, what is needed? Thanks. MikeVdP (talk) 00:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Places not listed officially as Windsor landmarks

I removed the following places from the article, which apparently are not officially designated. --Doncram (talk) 06:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

	Place/ APN	Location	Image	Dates	Notes
	Old Windsor Community Methodist Church	251 Windsor River Road 38.547484°N 122.814166°W / 38.547484; -122.814166 (Old Windsor Community Methodist Church)		1898 built	Church built in 1898 in an adaptation--in wood--of Richardsonian Romanesque style; in use to 1959.
	Methodist Church Parsonage	239 Windsor River Road 38.547490°N 122.813869°W / 38.547490; -122.813869 (Methodist Church Parsonage)			Parsonage built with the First Methodist Church. Moved to this location when the first church burned.
	James Prewett Wagon Shop	8750 Old Redwood Highway 38.546112°N 122.805668°W / 38.546112; -122.805668 (James Prewett Wagon Shop)		1868 built	Built by early settlers and organizers of the “Town of Windsor” in 1864.
	Mattie Washburn House	8660 Franklin Street 38.546425°N 122.803559°W / 38.546425; -122.803559 (Mattie Wasburn House)			Long-time home of Mattie Washburn, early school teacher in the Windsor School system.

References

Other historic sites nearby

Not officially listed by Windsor, and not even in Windsor proper:

	Landmark	Location	Image	Dates	Notes
	Mount Weske Stables	1520 Mount Weske Drive, near Windsor 38.56796°N 122.79437°W / 38.56796; -122.79437 (Mount Weske Stables)		c.1891 built	A round barn (octagonal structure) used for housing racehorses. A 1978 photo shows horses and riders in the interior. The octagonal stables building was constructed in 1891 for San Francisco businessman Adolph Weske, founder of the California Cracker Company, at his country retreat named "Mount Weske". The stables were "circled" by a mile-and-quarter racetrack, and featured a "walkway around the cupola on top so he could watch his horses on the track." In 2010 the building had been renovated and was reported to be in "pristine" condition, and was in use as a music studio.
	Laughlin Home	414 Aviation Blvd., south of Windsor 38.512778°N 122.783889°W / 38.512778; -122.783889 (Laughlin Home)		c.1876 built 1979 NRHP-listed	With elements of Greek Revival and Italianate styles.

References

User:MikeVdP, pinging you to get your attention here, because i just said stuff at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonoma County Historical Society list of landmarks, about two places. And maybe it was not clear enough that I was hoping you would discuss these here, already. Anyhow, could you please comment here? Do you think the FOUR places actually in Windsor, the wagon shop and the Washburn house being the two I was referring to, but also the Methodist church and parsonage, should be mentioned in this list-article? (You had included them in this list and also in the AFD subject list, so I think you do think they deserve mention somewhere.) What are they, though? I see a blog or two talking about the Washburn house for example when it was up for sale, but I do not see sources giving evidence they are listed by Sonoma County or by Windsor, or providing anything else. I don't currently see how they can be presented. --Doncram (talk) 19:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

This recognition of sites which are not, apparently, official, is correct as I see it. This is being reviewed with the local historical community, but stands correct at this time. Thanks. MikeVdP (talk) 03:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)