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Nova ScotiaEdit

This is a request to add a designation to {{Designation}}: the Heritage Property Act (Nova Scotia). This heritage legislation is provincial in scope ("State/provincial designations"), limited to sites in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia. Under the legislation, both the province and municipalities can designate sites and cultural landscapes, while municipalities can also designate heritage conservation districts. I cannot find a source that indicates how many sites are designated under this legislation, but apparently 1008 are listed so far on the Canadian Register of Historic Places. Callnames should be NOVA SCOTIA, NSHPA, and NOVA SCOTIA HERITAGE PROPERTY ACT. It doesn't really matter which colour is chosen for {{Designation/colour}} and those templates that still use the colours as backgrouds - I've already added blue to {{Designation/colour2}} (to match the Nova Scotian flag) for those templates that use a border. Let me know if additional information is required. Thanks for your help. Cheers, --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Done.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 14:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Designations for U.S. statesEdit

The following states have designations that have a list page and appear to meet the criteria for creating a designation template. Can someone please create the designation templates for these states. (talk) 21:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Designations for U.S. citiesEdit

The following cities also have designations that have a list page and appear to meet the criteria for creating a designation template. Could someone please create these also. (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


I have noticed Germany is not mentioned on the project page. I was thinking of importing some of the lists from deWiki like de:Liste der Baudenkmäler in Freising and have two questions: 1: do you have a terminology guide in the project? 2. A quick scan of the articles I see you tend to use plain wikitables. The German lists tend to use templates for the individual entries and their area containers like de:Vorlage:Denkmalliste Bayern Tabellenzeile used as

{{Denkmalliste Bayern Tabellenkopf|Gemeinde=Freising}} 
{{Denkmalliste Bayern Tabellenzeile
|Adresse= Alte Poststraße 5
|Bezeichnung= Wohnhaus
|Beschreibung=kleiner zweigeschossiger Schopfwalmbau mit Erker, Zwerchhaus und aufwändiger Fassadengliederung im Stil der Neurenaissance, erbaut 1888
|Bild= Alte Poststr 5 Freising.JPG

where the templates are state specific due to different registration and numbering systems used. Do you have similar template already in use, or would there be an objection if the German Structure would be imported for the German lists. In particular I like the feature of being able to add a Commons category to every object. Agathoclea (talk) 11:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Getting involvedEdit

I was turned on to this project by some of Doncram's articles about historic structures. Can someone point me in the direction of how I might contribute to our create some of my own articles that are relevant to this project? Cheers! QuantifiedElf (talk) 19:14, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

A lot of new listsEdit

For Wiki Loves Monuments we've been creating a lot of new lists. The templates used for these lists are in Category:Monument list templates and the talk pages in Category:Template-Class Historic sites articles. This project should probably be updated to include this new content. I would do it myself, but I'm a bit busy doing preparations for WLM. Multichill (talk) 11:30, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Here there is also estimates of how many monuments exists and so. emijrp (talk) 10:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

National Registry of Cultural Monuments (Estonia)Edit

It has a database:

There is a Wikiproject over at the Estonian Wikipedia, which has broken the monuments down into by-locality lists:

Is it possible we could create a designation for this? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Philippine Cultural Heritage sites WMF-sponsored initiativeEdit

There's a Wikimedia-GLAM sponsored project described at here which is generating photos and text documentation of Philippine Cultural Heritage sites. This came up at AFD about one new article created "Jusay Ancestral House". We need some stuff to be set up to accomodate these, such as a list-article and an infobox and a category. There are some brand new Wikipedia editors, including some who are themselves conducting interviews and otherwise performing primary-type research about the historic sites. So there will be issues to sort out, about what material, with what sourcing, when relative to properties achieving what level of listing status, etc., can be included into Wikipedia articles.

At the AFD, i offered to keep track of new articles created in this process, while asking AFD editors to hold off on nominating more for deletion. To do that, for now I'll start Category:Philippine Cultural Heritage sites, which could be renamed later. Any HSITES editors interested / able to help in any way? --doncram 16:51, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

The most recent entry on that blog is about Wiki Loves Monuments 2012, which seems unrelated to the article in question, created five days ago. Did you have something else in mind? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits
There has certainly been some activity around Category:Lists of Cultural Properties of the Philippines and there is a Category:Monuments and memorials in the Philippines. One recent article got deleted as a copyvio (Sariaya Ancestral houses). The ignored and deleted comment on its talkpage is most likely something we should look into. Agathoclea (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
What was that comment? Could you possibly copy that to here? --doncram 19:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Some of the info that I copy paste like for Villa Sariaya and Gala Rodriguez house are also authored by me. Eric Dedace where I get all my sources are also in communication with me and he is the one supplying the links from his page and he authorized me to use his articles). It's the mention of Eric Dedace that cought my attention. He certainly seems a valuable source of information due to the nature of his work. Agathoclea (talk) 19:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Agothoclea! It sounds like wp:OTRS might have been used to establish author permission for use of text published elsewhere, as an alternative to deletion. Could you possibly please provide a copy of the Sariaya Ancestral houses article and its talkpage to my userspace, including edit history? So that I might be fully informed in trying to correspond about that. I have started posting at wt:TAMBAY, by the way. --doncram 17:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
  Done Agathoclea (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
May be we should ask @Namayan: for some input. Agathoclea (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
There is current activity including a tomorrow-dated (because across the international date-line) posting at Philippine Heritage Map.Org (i will call this "PHM"). This mentions focus on the Visayas islands where historic sites were destroyed/damaged by Typhoon Haiyan (November 8, 2013) and where there was little/no documentation of the historic sites; the initiative is partly a reaction of that, and a continuation of GLAM-Wiki project I guess. PHM also mentions the 2009 "National Cultural Heritage" law which is available here (this URL works for me while the PHM's link did not). Seems like there's a call for people to take photos, write text about any apparent historic site, e.g. any having a historic plaque. Which is one way for a group of people to start, though it would be nice to work from a government-provided list of sites. PHM mentions Lists of Cultural Properties of the Philippines‎, whose Talk page could possibly be a focal point for development. --doncram 19:04, 19 May 2014 (UTC) --doncram 19:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
(Speaking in a personal capacity, and not as the Secretary of Wikimedia Philippines) I should note that the lists of Cultural Properties of the Philippines that are noted here on Wikipedia are based on the official list provided by the National Historical Commission of the Philippines, and were created originally for the purpose of facilitating Wiki Loves Monuments 2012. I suggest, however, that if you guys have any questions about the project, feel free to drop a line at WT:TAMBAY, or notify Namayan, Joelaldor (the project manager), Seav (WMPH President) or myself. Thanks. :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 13:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you all for the attention. We've trained some 50 people to edit Wikipedia with a primary focus on Philippine heritage sites. Philippine law declares that structures that are at least 50 years old are considered heritage sites. We will greatly appreciate all the help the community could provide to help these new Wikipedia editors (who will be uploading also on Wikimedia Comomons) with their articles and prevent them from being deleted. We know the 3-day workshop isn't enough, but we are all communicating on our Facebook group should they need any help. -- Namayan (talk) 06:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

List of state protected Monuments in Telangana/Andhra PradeshEdit

Dear members of this project, please take a look of these above mentioned articles and their history. The Telangana article seems to have been copied from the Andhra Pradesh article alongwith from ASI website as noted and tagged by CorenSearchBot in this edit. User:Vin09, who created the Telangana one had possibly ripped off info from Andhra Pradesh for the Telangana one. Editors could please check if the Telangana one or the concerned user has flouted any guideline. --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)(Support) 23:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

New designation for the Queensland Heritage RegisterEdit

I would like to use the Historic Site infobox for articles on the Queensland Heritage Register and so I need a designation. I believe this register meets all the criteria:

  1. It is a register that exists under legislation of the state of Queensland
  2. The article Queensland Heritage Register has existed for some time on Wikipedia
  3. Its scope is State/Provincial and currently has 1692 entries (and will continue to grow slowly over time)
  4. The text should be "Queensland Heritage Register" (which is its official name and is unambiguous). If it needed to be shorter, the word "Register" could be dropped. The Queensland official state colour is maroon #73182C so that would be the preferred colour, but if it needs to be lighter for accessibility, would #ff405d be OK? If not, then of the colours suggested I guess the pink #FFC0CB would be closest.
  5. The designation could be "QueenslandHR" or use the standard abbreviation Qld such as "QldHR"; whatever is most consistent and non-conflicting with other designations.

Thanks Kerry (talk) 01:40, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I probably should add that there are around 200 Wikipedia articles on sites listed on the Queensland, see Category:Queensland Heritage Register. However, I have the remaining ones in draft at the moment (thanks to parts of the register being recently released under CC-BY and in a format somewhat amenable to automated article creation) so there is a realistic prospect of all 1600+ entries having their own article fairly soon so I would like to sort out this designation fairly quickly (as obviously creating the infobox by automation now is a lot less work than making 1600+ manually later). Kerry (talk) 01:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Could we do this for all the Australian state and territory registers at the same time? They're all in the same boat; Queensland is just lucky enough to have someone who's really organised! The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposal for task forcesEdit

Hello. Sometimes I work on Spanish historic sites articles. I propose creating task forces by country in the {{WikiProject Historic sites}} template. Are you ok with this? emijrp (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Please do it if you are going to participate more or less actively.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

State Register of Immovable Monuments of UkraineEdit

we`d add more than 3000 buildings from State Register of Immovable Monuments of Ukraine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew J.Kurbiko (talkcontribs) 13:18, 16 November 2014‎

@Andrew J.Kurbiko: That sounds excellent. Do you plan to create an article on each, or make lists? Also, make sure they get added to Wikidata, too. Do you need any help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:46, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
my idea is template, list and general article creation and also, caregorizing some of this places with theirs numbers--Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk) 13:50, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Lists are already in the Ukrainian Wikipedia, they need to be imported and translated. Commons categories are a big mess.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:04, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion re table format for lists of ancient monumentsEdit

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates#Column widths in table layout about the best way to display lists of ancient monuments which may be of interest to members of this wikiproject.— Rod talk 07:12, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Cultural Herritage of KosovoEdit

This is a request to add e designation to the cultural heritage of Kosovo. There are many cultural assets in Kosovo you can write and it would be a shame not being able to present them on Wikipedia.

It would be wonderful to open it as soon as possible — Preceding unsigned comment added by FloKrass (talkcontribs) 19:23, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Wawona listed at Requested movesEdit

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Wawona to be moved to Wawona (ship). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Copyright Violation Detection - EranBot ProjectEdit

A new copy-paste detection bot is now in general use on English Wikipedia. Come check it out at the EranBot reporting page. This bot utilizes the Turnitin software (ithenticate), unlike User:CorenSearchBot that relies on a web search API from Yahoo. It checks individual edits rather than just new articles. Please take 15 seconds to visit the EranBot reporting page and check a few of the flagged concerns. Comments welcome regarding potential improvements. These likely copyright violations can be searched by WikiProject categories. Use "control-f" to jump to your area of interest.--Lucas559 (talk) 22:44, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

GT nom English Heritage properties in Somerset and FT nom Scheduled monuments in SomersetEdit

Would anyone be willing to review a couple of nominations which are relevant to this project? I nominated English Heritage properties in Somerset as a good topic back in April and it has only received 2 comments, while Scheduled monuments in Somerset has been almost a month without any comments on its featured topic nomination. Any comments would be very welcome.— Rod talk 20:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

How to add non-mainstream articles to Wikipedia?Edit

I found this article on a website that is probably not considered a wp:reliable source. Unfortunately, search as I may I cannot find this info on a more mainstream source. I tried locating the following terms on Wikipedia and none exist, even though, at least the first two, are well known in Ottawa: Heritage Ottawa, Action Sandy Hill, Robertson Martin Architects, Lesley Collins. Any ideas how to get this going? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Try Wikiproject:Canada, I am afraid this one is essentially dead.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for replying,Ymblanter, unfortunately I am not having a lot of luck with the Canadians :-)

add Graystone ManorEdit

I have just added Graystone Manor, which is the first condominium ever built in the United States, to this WikiProject, but I am not sure if it is in the scope. Please feel free to remove it if it does not belong. Ottawahitech (talk) 17:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Conversion between DD and DMSEdit

Would it be good to have {{convert}} support coordinate angle-unit conversions between decimal degrees and degrees-minutes-seconds? template talk:convert has a discussion going on -- (talk) 04:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

New entry for Heritage New ZealandEdit

Can we please add a third entry for Heritage New Zealand? And I'd like to suggest to remove the hyphen from the two existing entries. Hence, the existing entries should read "Heritage New Zealand Category I" and "Heritage New Zealand Category II". The new entry should be "Heritage New Zealand Historic Areas". I don't know how many entries HNZ has for this category, but I guess they would be in the hundreds. Three of those are currently in the various sub-categories of historic areas register. Schwede66 20:30, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Cradle of HumankindEdit

Could someone please reassess the above article ? Thanks Anthere (talk)

West Wycombe Park FANEdit

I have nominated West Wycombe Park for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:24, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Destruction of cultural heritageEdit

I propose moving the article List of destroyed heritage to Destruction of cultural heritage (currently a redirect to Cultural genocide), adding much more content, and splitting the by country lists into separate articles. If you can help out, please join the discussion at Talk:List of destroyed heritage#Destruction of cultural heritage. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 10:47, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

New designation for the Australian National Heritage ListEdit

Hi there. The Australian National Heritage List is the leading Australian register of sites of Australian historic significance. Can a category be added, using the abbreviation AHDb, referring to the Australian Heritage Database, located here. There are many thousands of records on this list, evidenced by some of the records listed on the Australian National Heritage List. Many thanks. Rangasyd (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Grade I listed buildings in OxfordEdit

I need a bit of guidance with Grade I listed buildings in Oxford. ErfgoedBot lists quite a number of categories that could be added ... but ... I found two problems: a) often the category points to a container category rather than a particular subset (Quadrangle) and b) the category suggested is a particular feature (usually a chapel) within the protected subset. For a) I would ignore them until commons catches up with the categories, but for b) I would like to know what common practice is? Agathoclea (talk) 09:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Dead links: National Heritage List for EnglandEdit

Please see thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England#Dead links: National Heritage List for England. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Russian cultural heritage registerEdit

Can we please get the Russian cultural heritage register added to the Designation template? I'm not sure what needs to be done, but the template said to bring it up here. Thanks. МандичкаYO 😜 04:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Wp:List of Monuments in NepalEdit

There is a discussion over at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of Monuments in Nepal for which comments would be welcome. The issue, basically, is with Wp:List of Monuments in Nepal and related pages, which are in a unusually placed in WP namespace amd which appear to be out of use. (talk) 10:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Romney's HouseEdit

Romney's House, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

South African Heritage Resources AgencyEdit

I would like to use the Historic Site infobox for articles on the South African Heritage Resources Agency (SAHRA) and so I need a designation. I believe this register meets all the criteria:

  1. It is a register that exists under legislation of South Africa as the National Heritage Resources Act, number 25 of 1999
  2. The article South African Heritage Resources Agency has existed for some time on Wikipedia
  3. Its scope is of National importance and currently has 1720+/- entries (and will continue to grow slowly over time)
  4. The text should be "South African Heritage Resources Agency" (which is its official name and is unambiguous). If it needed to be shorter, the acronym "SAHRA" could be used. The national colours of South Africa are Green and Gold and as World Heritage Sites are indicated by Yellow/gold it would be preferable for the South African Register to be a dark Green colour.
  5. Hundreds of pages already exist from the SAHRA registry and I would like to make more over time.

Thank you, User:SpringbokSam 27 March 2017

Irish National Inventory of Architectural HeritageEdit

Would this designation meet the criteria for inclusion? Please ping when replying. —swpbT 19:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Nominating Palais Rohan, Strasbourg for A-ClassEdit

The article failed its FAC, but it was much expanded and edited in the process since it became a GA, and actually got some support: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Palais Rohan, Strasbourg/archive1. It most probably fulfils all the criteria to be promoted A-Class. Thank you in advance to all future reviewers! --Edelseider (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment: Before the Palais Rohan article is judged for its quality, it might be held up as an example of how much clean-up and copyediting work a single sloppy, contentious, self-promoting editor with an aversion to edit summaries can generate for the Wikipedia community. Eric talk 01:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
    Is that a personal attack? Shall I report you for this? By the tone of your comment, I think that you are a bitter person. Maybe your own life is punishment enough. Edelseider (talk) 07:28, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Nominating Palais Rohan, Strasbourg, for A-Class (this time without interference)Edit

The article failed its FAC, but it was much expanded and edited in the process since it became a GA, and actually got some support: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Palais Rohan, Strasbourg/archive1. It most probably fulfils all the criteria to be promoted A-Class. Thank you in advance to all future reviewers! --Edelseider (talk) 10:13 pm, Today (UTC+2)

Infoboxes "historic site" v "ancient site"Edit

Following a discussion at Wikipedia talk:GLAM/Oxford/hillforts#Infobox and other questions a proposal has been made to merge the infoboxes "historic site" and "ancient site". You can comment on that proposal here.— Rod talk 07:44, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Notability - US state historic propertiesEdit


Bernheimer Building is a state historic property in Mississippi. Is that sufficient for notability? It has been tagged for notability.

Thanks so much.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:09, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I can't answer your question but note that if the answer is "no", then List of Mississippi Landmarks will need tidying up for red links. Schwede66 07:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Unless I hear differently, I'll just leave it alone. I am at a bit of a loss about how to improve it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:55, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

This could be useful, it generally states that this is notable. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suydam House. A Guy into Books (talk) 08:23, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I need Some new designationsEdit

Hi, I have been wanting to improve Wikipedia's coverage of British Heritage Sites. As some people here have no doubt noticed, most statutory designations in England have been included in the National Heritage List For England (NHLE).

"The National Heritage List for England (NHLE) is the only official, up to date, register of all nationally protected historic buildings and sites in England - listed buildings, scheduled monuments, protected wrecks, registered parks and gardens, and battlefields." (Quote from Historic England).

This still does not include Locally Listed Buildings, or Conservation Areas. And being for England only does not include Scottish/Welsh/N. Irish equivalent listings. Now at this time Template: infobox historic site does not have designations for protected wrecks, registered parks and gardens, and battlefields. I also want Designations for Locally Listed Buildings, and Conservation Areas. Additionally I want to create an additional designation for the National Heritage List For England (as a header preferably). I hope this makes sense.

If it is not possible to add all this to the Template: infobox historic site, i have created a separate template for the purpose at Template: infobox NHLE as you can see (by the blatant copying) this would simply the same as Template: infobox NRHP but for the NHLE. I have not finished this template, and if the needed extra designations can be added to Template: infobox historic site then it can be deleted as it wont be needed.

I recommended perusing the information on Historic Englands own website rather than Wikipedia, as most the information here is based on the pre 2011 reforms and thus widely unhelpful. the designations i am taking about can be researched here: .

A Guy into Books (talk) 08:14, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding locally listed buildings: I agree that some sort of standard infobox—either a dedicated one or an extra parameter in an existing one—would be beneficial. I've just discovered this template: Template:Infobox designation list which apparently can be embedded within other infoboxes, such as Template:Infobox building. I wonder if code for a "Locally listed building" designation (and perhaps a "Conservation area" parameter, etc.) could be added to this? On articles I have written about locally listed buildings (e.g. Gwydyr Mansions), I have used Template:Infobox building, so it would be handy to be able to insert a "Locally listed building" parameter directly. I don't know whether any such LLB parameter should go in an NHLE template, though, as LLB status is conferred by local authorities rather than Historic England.
Incidentally, I would also like to see an equivalent of the {{Grade II colour}} etc. templates for use in list articles like this, where I have arbitrarily chosen an orange-ish background behind the bold "L". (Happy to try to create one, although template syntax isn't my strong point!) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:10, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I've struck out one of my sentences above because as per, I'm not sure it's correct. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC) is written in council-speak, you were correct the first time, local listings are not given by Historic England.

At this point i think having the extra designations in an existing infobox would be best because making a new one is so much effort. (yes i have no idea how to properly code it:). Im not sure but I think most infoboxs can be embedded in others, which could allow a simpler infobox with only theses additional features, to be added to boxes like: Template:Infobox building or Template: infobox historic site. A Guy into Books (talk) 22:53, 7 August 2017 (UTC)


(text updated per doncram's comments) A Guy into Books (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I am planning to make some improvements to pages in this wikiproject and thought i should explain my ideas first.

I have decided to use the following code to update designations to my requirements. Please make comments if I have made any errors or you feel it should be added to or altered. If anything is missing then suggestions would be of great help.

I propose to add the following code:

to Template:Designation/text:


To: Template:Designation/colour NB. I have not decided on the colours, suggestions are welcome.


To: Template:Designation/colour2 NB. Colours not final.


To: Template:Designation/doc and Template:Designation/Supported designations

 {{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|UK Protected Wreck|[[United Kingdom]]|>100|UK Protected Wreck; UK Maritime Military Grave; UK Historic Wreck; NHLE Wreck}}
 {{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|UK Conservation Area|[[England]]|>10,000|England Conservation Area; English Conservation Area}}
 {{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|Locally Listed Building|[[United Kingdom]]|>20,000|UK Locally Listed; Local Listed Site UK; Locally Listed Building}} 
 {{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|Registered Battlefields (UK)|[[United Kingdom]]|>20,000|UK Registered Battlefields, NHLE Battlefields}}
 {{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|National Heritage List for England|[[England]]|>650,000|NHLE; NHLE List; NHLE Register; National Heritage List for England}}

This will also require the following new pages: Conservation Area, Protected Wreck, Registered Battlefields and Locally Listed Building (Locally Listed Buildings). I intend to create more articles for notable listed buildings and other heritage assets.

And major improvements to: National Heritage List for England and some improvements to most other articles in associated catagories.

And complete the following uncompleted template: Template:Infobox NHLE. I decided to just use other infoboxes.

I have created the new category: Category:National Heritage List for England which i will use to keep track of what i am doing.

Hope this is all clear. --A Guy into Books (talk) 14:18, 8 August 2017 (UTC)</nowiki>

I just edited your posting to try to make it display better. About new pages Conservation Area, Protected Wreck, Registered Battlefields and Locally Listed Building (Locally Listed Buildings), I think you mean U.K.-specific or otherwise specific Proper Noun terms, in which case it may be better to expand the phrase to include the area, e.g. "United Kingdom Protected Wreck" or UK Protected Wreck, English Conservation Area, NHLE Battlefields to be specific and to differentiate from generic terms which exist or which may be created in the future (such as Conservation area (already a bluelink), Protected wreck (currently a redlink)) --doncram 18:25, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately the main template editor in the past here at wp:HSITES is not active in Wikipedia, perhaps/supposedly because of disagreement elsewhere with me personally, which I don't think will be resolved anytime soon, if ever. I hope others can step up to help on technical / template matters here. --doncram 18:34, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the layout improvements, they make it much more readable. Regarding the new pages I agree with your comments regarding being area specific. Also I have found the pages Conservation area (United Kingdom) and Registered Battlefields (UK) which just leaves the UK Protected Wreck and something on locally listed buildings, I will hold off from making these until I am certain nobody has made these pages already :). As far as the template editing is concerned, i'm sure I can try it in the sandbox first and get a admin or someone to take responsibility for actually copying it in. A Guy into Books (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay, good.
--doncram 21:17, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

A generic Protected wreck article could be used for the protected wrecks of other countries as well. For instance a section on the U.S. Abandoned Shipwrecks Act which seems to be more in your area of interest. A Guy into Books (talk) 09:38, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments UK is looking for volunteersEdit

Hi all. Wiki Loves Monuments UK is looking for some volunteers to help with reviewing this year’s entries and identifying a long list of images that are worthy to be submitted to the three judges who will pick the final winners. You don't need to be a top photographer to volunteer for this, but you should have a good understanding of what makes an exceptional photograph and be able to distinguish good from mediocre images. You'd need to be able to commit to something like four or five hours work, mostly during October but perhaps during September as well.

If you are able to help, please leave a note on my talk page, or alternatively contact me using the "email this user" feature. More details can be found here. MichaelMaggs (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


There are lists of monuments for Nepal, which had been created some time ago in project space for WLM, and had been moved to draft space after a MfD, At this moment in time they are are mass deleted to a change in G13. Do we want them to disappear. Else they could be edited to start the clock for another 6 month. An example would be Draft:List of Monuments in Rautahat, Nepal and pictures that could be added can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites/Unused images of Cultural heritage monuments in Nepal. Agathoclea (talk) 09:51, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Really these should be worked on and sent to mainspace, putting off deletion per G13 is a good idea but we don't want indefinite parking. A Guy into Books (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

The problem was as I understand it that none of them was sourced. If anybody has sources, I am willing to restore the deleted items.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:36, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
I have left a message to the original creator at commons. Maybe something will be forthcoming. If we can get some sort of sourcing I might be in the position to get a Nepali friend of mine to do some doublechecking. Agathoclea (talk) 10:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

it seems like someone already requested a WP:Refund. Would this wp agree to host these pages as subpages until the sourcing issue can be reesolved? Agathoclea (talk) 14:14, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I would think so. put them under Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites/Nepal/ <pagename here> eg. Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites/Nepal/List of Monuments in Rautahat, Nepa for Draft:List of Monuments in Rautahat, Nepal. that way they can be found easily. It would be wise to create an index page or category also. A Guy into Books (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

There is actually three layers of pages - A Master list of regions, many regional lists of districts and many district pages, many of which are "lists" of one item. None of them are sourced and most have no images so there is scant info to work from. Anyway if someone wants to complete the pages, all power to them. Legacypac (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

sounds like a lot of the district pages will need merging to their respective regions. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Actually there are images, but I have a problem with the script in matching them. Possibly due to the alpha-numeric ID Agathoclea (talk) 11:50, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
And commons:Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Nepal with known IDs will be fun to clean up. Agathoclea (talk) 12:17, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey :) Didn't notice this discussion. There have also been conversations about this on other locations. It seems consensus is that moving to mainspace is indeed the most sensible. After all, there is a source available - it has just not been linked on all individual articles. See Draft:List_of_Monuments_in_Nepal. Also, the source is a scan of a Nepali document. I couldn't read it myself - but that is bound to happen given the context. Some help with creating the right introductions and references would be welcomed. See also the conversation here and here.
There are indeed three layers of lists - but if that is an obstacle, it is easy to reduce that to two layers, I guess. This is just to make it easier to navigate. effeietsanders 17:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites/Nepal to track progess. Agathoclea (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks--Ymblanter (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

New designation for the Register of the National EstateEdit

Hi there. The Register of the National Estate is a secondary Australian register of sites of historic significance and comprises natural places and built environs throughout Australia. Can a category be added, using the abbreviation AustRNE, referring to the Australian Register of the National Estate, located here. The register is a closed register in that it has been superseded by other national and state registers; however, there are places that remain on the register. Many thanks. Rangasyd (talk) 17:10, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Im sure it can be added, at the moment we don't seem to have anyone who is confident on updating the templates, but I will do it sometime if someone else does not, since I have to add some designations also. A Guy into Books (talk) 21:59, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Give me a few days to look at the template and have a play around with it to see what can be done. Nthep (talk) 22:14, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
I already deciphered most of it, if that helps, see #I need Some new designations where i have explained the main pieces of code needed, and where to put them. A Guy into Books (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
@Aguyintobooks: I've added one entry for UK Battlefields which can be called by |designationN=NHLE Battlefields or |designationN=UK Registered battlefields inside {{Infobox historic site}}. For border colour I've used the same border colour as scheduled monuments as you had suggested the same background colour for the two. Please test (not only this but that I haven't broken anything existent) and let me know the results before I do any more. Nthep (talk) 14:36, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
@Aguyintobooks: & @Nthep: thanks. While we're at it, in June 2016 I asked for a new designation for Australian National Heritage List, the primary Australian register. It doesn't seem to have been actioned. Please scroll up to June 2016 or see below. And designations should also be added for each of the state heritage registers (numbered below):
Hi there. The Australian National Heritage List is the leading Australian register of sites of Australian historic significance. Can a category be added, using the abbreviation AHDb, referring to the Australian Heritage Database, located here. There are many thousands of records on this list, evidenced by some of the records listed on the Australian National Heritage List. Many thanks.
  1. New South Wales State Heritage Register
  2. South Australian Heritage Register
  3. Tasmanian Heritage Register
  4. Victorian Heritage Register
  5. Western Australia State Register of Heritage Places
Are you able to help, please? Rangasyd (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Nthep seems to have put UK Battlefields in correctly, I am going to test it out to see if the new bit works, and then we can add the Australian National Heritage List, you should probably chose a colour, something that will not look the same as an existing designation used in Australia preferably. A Guy into Books (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

You should also decide if you want them all to have the same color. It looks like there should be 6 8 new designations. A Guy into Books (talk) 18:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. If you look here I have made a detailed request of the colours and the designations required, including various abbreviations of the eight various registers. Rangasyd (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Reply to - @Rangasyd: I have built the extended code for you and made it ready for someone to put it in. See User:Aguyintobooks/Essay/Historic sites template code. - A Guy into Books (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Aguyintobooks: all done but you didn't specify any colours or callnames for the National Register of Historic Parks and Gardens so at the moment this one won't work. Let me know those details and I'll add them. Can I ask the rationale for the NHLE entry? Won't everything on NHLE fit into another E&W category anyway? Nthep (talk) 16:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
To be honest the NHLE made more sense to me when i first thought of it, Its basically a placeholder for when it is unclear which other designation should be used - or - when the item listed is itself different to what it would otherwise fit into, eg a listed building that is infact not a building. I doubt it will be used much.
I seem to have somehow omitted the listed gardens code - i will put it in here:
Thanks for the help, greatly appreciated. :) A Guy into Books (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Ok, done. Nthep (talk) 19:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)



I added the lists of the National Cultural Sites of Uganda to Wikipedia. This on request of the local Wiki Loves Monuments team. Improvements to the lists are of course welcome. Especially an article about National Cultural Site would probably be welcome. effeietsanders 19:29, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

There is National Cultural Sites of Uganda which could be made into an article (as National Cultural Site is very generic), and its current content moved to List of National Cultural Sites in Uganda as a top-level list article.

A Guy into Books (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

New designation for the Brisbane Heritage RegisterEdit

I see people creating some article from the Brisbane Heritage Register (see the official list of entries here so it's probably timely to add it to avoid the invalid designation error. In order to tick the boxes:

  • yes it's an official designation with a "reasonable number" of sites. I am not sure how many sites are on the register, but, if you look at the list of sites, there are 68 pages with about 30 entries on a randomly selected page, so I think it's easily over 1,000
  • there is a Wikipedia article about the register (see above) and above is the external link to the list, there is also a searchable database with more info than the list
  • the scope is within the City of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, city of 1.1M people over an area of 1,342.7 km2 as at the 2016 census with a history extending back to 1824. It is Australia's most populous local government area.
  • Text and colour scheme: Brisbane Heritage Register and #BFFFBF (one of the suggested colours which should contrast well with Queensland Heritage Register)
  • callname BHR, does not appear to be already in use

Thanks Kerry (talk) 05:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I have now established that there are about 2309 sites listed on the Brisbane Heritage Register. Kerry (talk) 00:27, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Philippine historic site designationsEdit

Please add designations for the "National Historical Landmarks" and National Cultural Treasures of the Philippines.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:53, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  • @Hariboneagle927: - you will need to chose some colors. (one for each in #FFFFFF format). I don't mind doing the rest. Dysklyver 15:33, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps #FFE978 for National Historical Landmarks and #B2E5CD for National Cultural Treasures @Dysklyver:. There isn't really a color associated with the designations.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hariboneagle927: Ok no worries, here is the full code needed. User:A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver/Essay/Historic sites template code 3, I will busy myself getting it added to the template. Dysklyver 08:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Requesting someone to tackle my request since Dysklyver was subject to a indefinite ban.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

New designation for the Record of Monuments and Places (Republic of Ireland)Edit

I would like to use the Historic Site infobox for articles on the Record of Monuments and Places and so I need a designation. I believe this register meets all the criteria:

  1. It is a register that exists under legislation of the Republic of Ireland
  2. I created the Record of Monuments and Places has existed for some time on Wikipedia
  3. Its scope is National and currently has thousands of entries
  4. The text should be "Record of Monuments and Places" (which is its official name and is unambiguous, as no other country uses this name for its heritage register). A good colour would be #CDE5B2 - green, to go with the orange of National Monument (Ireland)
  5. The designation could be "RMP"

Only about 700 historical sites have a National Monument (Ireland) designation, while the RMP covers tens of thousands. Sheila1988 (talk) 21:05, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Sheila1988: - I will do the code for this shortly, I only just did one, so this time I will bundle it with some others I am planning before getting a template editor to add it. If there are any other Irish Registers you can think of then do say, anything with more than ~50 potential designations is perfectly reasonable, we don't have a space limit. Dysklyver 10:13, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
@A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver: - Could you add the RMP? Sheila1988 (talk) 14:03, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Revise designation for the New South Wales State Heritage RegisterEdit

@Aguyintobooks:@Kerry Raymond:@The Drover's Wife: A revision of the exiting designation for the New South Wales State Heritage Register is proposed. The Register currently lists items of international, national, State, and local heritage. As a result, the existing designation structure on Wikipedia does not allow the reader to distinguish if a heritage item is of local or state significance. It is proposed that seperate codes be established, as follows:

Code for {{Designation/colour}}
Code for {{Designation/text}}
Code for {{Designation/colour2}}
Explanatory notes for inclusion in Template:Designation/doc and Template:Designation/Supported designations
{{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|New South Wales State Heritage Register|[[Australia]]|~2000|NEW SOUTH WALES STATE HERITAGE REGISTER; NSW STATE HERITAGE REGISTER; NEW SOUTH WALES HERITAGE REGISTER; NSW HERITAGE REGISTER; NSW; NSW SHR}}
{{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|New South Wales Heritage Database|[[Australia]]|???|NEW SOUTH WALES HERITAGE DATABASE; NSW HERITAGE DATABASE; NSWHD; NSW HD}}

Historic monuments code designation for RomaniaEdit

In 2021 Timișoara will be one of European Capital of Culture cities. We expect many visitors to search for information, including Wikipedia. On ro.wp we plan to write about the historic monuments in Timișoara.

In Romania the historic monuments are registered in the List of historic monuments in Romania (in Romanian: Lista monumentelor istorice – LMI). Here you find the official lists. Each monument has a code, the LMI code. Timisoara has 119 positions in this list. We have some articles on ro.wp (see article list here) and we intend to translate some on en.wp. On ro.wp the infobox contains the LMI code. Can this code be implemented at Template:Infobox designation list for use in Template:Infobox historic site?

Obviously, this LMI code would also be used in other articles about historic monuments in Romania, not just those in Timișoara. Thank you. --Turbojet (talk) 07:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

I know that {{Infobox castrum}} (see Category:Roman legionary fortresses in Romania) and {{Infobox ancient site}} (see Category:Dacian fortresses in Romania) have references to the LMI Code. It would be great if the other templates would have it too. Codrin.B (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Designation for Monument of National Importance (India)Edit

I request a designation for the historic monuments of India, designated Monuments of National Importance. About 3650 sites are designated. It meets all the requirements.

1. It is an official designation given by the Archeological Survey of India, and the national designation for historic monuments of India.
2. It has a page on Wikipedia, namely Lists of Indian Monuments of National Importance.
3. It's scope is national;, ie. only monuments within India can be listed.
4. The text can be "Monument of National Importance (India)", while the color can be saffron from the Indian flag.
--Hadescurve (talk) 13:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Help page for editorsEdit

I'm not sure if there has ever been a help page for editors on how to get info and create citations and infoboxes and so on, perhaps comparable to wp:NRHPHELP (about U.S. National Register editing). Besides the WikiProject page itself, of course, but that is kind of cryptic. The point is to record stuff helpful for yourself, but sharing with others, rather than maintaining separate crib sheets.

Please help develop wp:HSITESHELP! --Doncram (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

glitch for infobox display, for Western Australia Heritage RegisterEdit

Hi, the main WikiProject page here suggests that "Western Australia Heritage Register" is a valid designation for template:infobox historic site, but as shown at Bassendean Fire Station, it just returns "invalid designation". Help? --Doncram (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Halton Castle GAREdit

Halton Castle, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Szzuk (talk) 09:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Canadian Federal Heritage Building template creationEdit

Can we please create a template for "Classified Federal Heritage Buildings", per ? It's basically to protect buildings owned by the Government of Canada, such as the Dominion Public Building until it was sold or the Senate of Canada Building? We already have templates for National Historic Sites and Heritage Railway stations, but we need the Federal Heritage Buildings template. Oaktree b (talk) 03:26, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Scottland LB32228Edit

I have added LB3228 to List of listed buildings in Glasgow/8 but I can't understand the coordinates used in Would someone point me in the right direction. Agathoclea (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NRHP nominated for merging with Infobox historic siteEdit

FYI, the {{Infobox NRHP}} template has been nominated for merging with {{Infobox historic site}}. Please contribute to the discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:09, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!Edit

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Northern Territory Heritage RegisterEdit

Hi everyone, I am writing an article about a heritage site in the Northern Territory of Australia and would like someone to create a local designation for the Northern Territory Heritage Register, so that 'Invalid designation' does not appear in the infobox. By the way, the use of colours not unlike the offical NT colours would be appreciated - please refer Australian state colours. Please reply here if there are any questions or comments.

Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 11:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

‎Request for input on re-draft of an articleEdit

Hi everyone, I've redrafted the article on slighting in my sandbox and wondered if I could get some input on it. I'd like to copy it over to mainspace but since I've written one of the sources used I'd like to try and establish some sort of consensus first. For those of you who haven't come across the term before, it's about the deliberate destruction of buildings – especially fortifications. If you have any comments, I reckon Talk:Slighting would be a good place for them; I'll create a new section there shortly. Richard Nevell (talk) 22:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

New city designationEdit

Hi all,

I would like to create a new city designation feature for {{Designation}}. I have completed the requirements listed there, in creating a list article for the landmarks program: List of Cincinnati Local Historic Landmarks. This includes the criteria and process in becoming a city landmark. I suppose for a color I would recommend the shade of red used in the Cincinnati flag and the University of Cincinnati colors. ɱ (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Has anyone seen this yet? ɱ (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
  Not done (as to the immediate edit request). Please mock up the changes you want in the sandbox then test them, once they are ready you can reactivate the edit request. If you just want to discuss the change, please continue below. — xaosflux Talk 15:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Gosh I've waited about a month for a reply. I don't know how to edit this template, and that's why I followed the instructions for creating an article on the designation and more. Can you help me edit this template? ɱ (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
I suppose add these?
Code for Template:Designation/text:
|CINCINNATI LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK|CINCINNATI LANDMARK|CINCINNATI|CLHL = [[List of Cincinnati Local Historic Landmarks|Cincinnati Local Historic Landmark]]
Code for Template:Designation/colour:
Code for Template:Designation/colour2:
Explanatory note for inclusion in Template:Designation/doc and Template:Designation/Supported designations
{{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|CINCINNATI|[[United States]] – [[Ohio]] – [[Cincinnati]]|71|Cincinnati Local Historic Landmark; Cincinnati Landmark; Cincinnati; CLHL}}

-- ɱ (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Using sandboxes, I added Cincinnati to Template:Designation/Supported designations/State to test the display. Looks good., though I'm not sure right now why the left side is displaying with a border, not filled in... ɱ (talk) 17:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: what do you think? ɱ (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@: OK so here's what I think :D I think this is a special, complex case, and that you have the best understanding of it and what needs to be done. I'm going to make you a temporary template editor to deal with this request, conditioned that you may only use that access related to this batch of templates. (You can apply at WP:PERM for continuing access if you otherwise need it). Please monitor this change later in the day, and watch for any unexpected issues that may occur in the next few days. If anything breaks that you can't easily resolve or this is otherwise contentious, revert to the current status and continue discussing here. If you don't want to do this, that is also OK - you can just not and wait for someone else to get to it. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 15:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, done. I will add the template to the remaining sites and take a look at how it reacts. ɱ (talk) 16:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Designation box border line width for "National Historic Site of Canada"Edit

The red border line for the designation box "National Historic Site of Canada" appears rather wide. It tends to dominate every Infobox it appears in, and, being red, suggests a warning or critical information. Is there a way to thin the line so it's not as urgent-looking? The one that appears on the Template Talk page for "Designation" looks much better. See the section called "Using borders instead of backgrounds". You will notice, there, that I have asked this question several times over the past two YEARS, with no reply. Thanks. Yoho2001 (talk) 05:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Designation for Korea Cultural Scenic LocationEdit

I ran across Dinosaur Ridge (Korea) which uses the Protected Area template for a mountain that is also a listed Cultural Scenic Location in South Korea. The original author tried to show this designation in the infobox, and I (hopefully) improved with an embedded Designation template - but CSL is not yet supported. Can this be added? I don't know any more about it; and the article sources are in Korean. MB 23:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

New designation? HABS / HAER / HALSEdit

Hi! It'd be nice to have an infobox for sites listed in the Heritage Documentation Programs (the Historic American Buildings Survey, the Historic American Engineering Record, and the Historic American Landscapes Survey). I was assuming the "Infobox historic site" template would be the appropriate place to start, but I gather that new designations need to be proposed and accepted. Does that seem to be the right option for creating a HABS infobox? If so, I'm not quite sure what the official designation or color scheme should be (for reference: Heritage Documentation Programs from the National Park Service, and HABS/HAER/HALS collection from the LOC), or really how to go about this at all. If not, is there a better option? Thanks. Andrew Jameson (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Andrew Jameson: I'd support somehow integrating these designations into the infobox, so long as they'd not take up too much space. Ergo Sum 04:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I was thinking three lines: designation name, number, and date; although I'd be OK with other ideas. However, I really don't know how to code up the Designation template, and (looking at the number of replies) there's not much interest from anyone else. :( Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web toolEdit

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for assistance at {{Designation}}Edit

I recently added created the District of Columbia Inventory of Historic Sites article and added support for it at {{Designation}}. However, the template does not seem to be functioning with respect to the DCIHS. Can someone familiar with the template please assist? Ergo Sum 04:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps xaosflux might be able to lend a hand, given their past experience with this? Ergo Sum 14:07, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
@Ergo Sum: there may be a limit to the number of arguments at Template:Designation/text, for testing I've reduced it to |DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA INVENTORY OF HISTORIC SITES|DCIHS. Can you see if it is at least working with that first? If so, try adding single additional texts one at a time. — xaosflux Talk 15:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: That doesn't seem to have solved the issue. Ergo Sum 18:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I overlooked something very obvious (using the right parameter in {{Infobox NRHP}}. It seems to be working now. Thank you for your help. Ergo Sum 18:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 2 November 2019 about Stepped gables or Crow-stepped gablesEdit

Hi, there is a requested move open at Talk:Crow-stepped gable#Requested move 2 November 2019, which you might be interested in. My proposal is to rename from "Crow-stepped gable" to what I perceive to be the more common, broader usage of "Stepped gable". --Doncram (talk) 00:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Categories for Tentative List, nominated for deletionEdit

Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_3#Category:World_Heritage_Site_Tentative_list. – Fayenatic London 08:12, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Manzanar featured article reviewEdit

I have nominated Manzanar for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The external links on the Manzanar article are being discussed. There are currently 18 of them, which is excessive. Please come participate in the discussion at Talk:Manzanar#External links. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Finding a monumentEdit

Hey everyone! I am intending to create a page detailing confederate soilder memorials in my county (Cooke County, Texas). Our county commissioner said both of the sites (one in 'Lenoard Park' and the other on the Courthouse lawn (in Gainesville, Texas), are protected under Texas law, but I have been unable to find list with the monuments in them. I thought I might as well turn to those that are familiar with searching through records for official documentation for help.

Here's the Waymark for the statue at Leonard Park:

Here's our housing authority's information about the monument on the Courthouse Lawn, with the inscription proivided:,will%20stand%20it%20without%20shame

Any help y'all could provide would be much appreciated! (Whether my county commissioner lied to my face or not.)

ThatSuperNerd (talk) 03:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador, CanadaEdit

I'd like to request the addition of Historic Resources Act (Newfoundland and Labrador) to {{Designation}}. This is provincial heritage legislation ("State/provincial designations") limited to sites in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Under the legislation the Heritage Foundation of Newfoundland and Labrador can designate "registered heritage structures" and "registered heritage districts." Over 300 are currently recognized as such. Callnames can be and Newfoundland and Labrador Historic Resources Act, NLHRA, Newfoundland and Labrador, Newfoundland and Labrador Registered Heritage Structure, Newfoundland and Labrador Registered Heritage District. For colour I would suggest #FFE978 from the recommended list as yellow is used as an accent in the provincial flag. Let me know if anything else is necessary, thanks! mjphilpott (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


Hallo, while stub-sorting I came across City Tekke (Vučitrn) which uses the historic site infobox but comes up with "Invalid designation". Looking at the local article there seems to be a list of Kosovo recognised monuments. Perhaps someone here could sort out what, if anything, needs to be done to enable Kosov listings to present properly? Thanks. PamD 07:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

PamD, The problem is that Kosovo monuments aren't supported; see the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites. The previous post asks to add a Canadian designation, and I requested one in South Korea over a year ago but both have gone unanswered. It appears there is no one active now with an interest in this area. It's probably quite straightfoward to add designations; determining the best background color to use for a new designation may be the most difficult part. MB 21:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Recent template changes broke a few list-type articles, recommend splitting them to fix the problemEdit

First, I want to thank OliverGalvin for improving Template:English Heritage listed building header and its companion template, Template:English Heritage listed building row.

However, some pages that use this template are now "too big" for Wikipedia because their post-expand include size is over 2,097,152 bytes. Pages over the limit wind up in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. More importantly, templates, including reference templates, at the bottom of the page may not display correctly.

As of 16:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC) this list included the following pages that call these templates:

A "live" list of article pages in that category along with the date they most recently exceeded the limit is here.

The most straightforward thing to do is split the articles. Another option is to go back and re-do the templates so their "post-expand include size" is smaller, but as these articles were already "close enough to the limit" to be pushed over by a small change to a template, it's better to just split them.

Some thought may need to go into how to handle the last two, so they don't lose their featured list status or jeopardize the featured topic status of Scheduled monuments in Somerset

I don't have time to jump in and fix it now, I'm hoping someone else will see this and fix the problem before I get back to it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Davidwr: Thanks for bringing this up and letting me know! I'd forgotten Wikipedia had that limit and hadn't realised that some lists were getting that big.
I've made some small changes that will reduce the post-expand size slightly, and I'll try and do more, but I agree splitting is probably the best option for some articles.
On a technical note regarding the template code size, do you or does anyone else know why extra classes are set in the code? "label" and "category" are set on the <td> tags and there's a <span> with a class around the uid links. I haven't touched them, being cautious as someone else must have added them, but I can't see that they're being used (i.e. having any style changed for those classes). It looks like they might have been added 'just in case', and removing them would shave off some size which could add up to a decent amount on those big lists. If no one objects and I don't spot any errors in testing, I'll just get rid of them.
odg (talk) 00:01, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
-- Wire723 (talk) 12:34, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Rodw: The issues discussed in November 2018 at User talk:Wbm1058#Scheduled monuments in Mendip and User talk:cyberpower678/Archive 60#English Heritage website changed the URL syntax for accessing its site database don't appear to have ever been resolved. I made a couple of demo edits for one solution, which still stand, but another solution involving using a bot to update URLs instead was proposed.

Scheduled monuments in Mendip has ~300 transclusions of Template:Vcite web, which is similar to {{cite web}} except that it uses the Vancouver system, a popular citation style in science and medicine. The problem might be solved by converting Template:Vcite web to use Lua module coding, or changing the citation style of the article to use {{cite web}} instead of {{Vcite web}}. {{Vcite web}} only transcluded on 161 articles. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:04, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

If I knew anything about "Lua module coding" I might have a go but my expertise is limited. I have never understood quite what these limits were for and introduced Vcite (at someones suggestion) to over come this problem a few years ago on one of the list pages. There are no smaller adminitsrative units in Somerset the lists could be split into.— Rod talk 18:31, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
The easiest way to deal with the issue here is to use wikitext tables, not template tables. That may increase the wikitext size but the template expansion will reduce to modest numbers. If not done already, you can use the bare references tag instead of reflist. (And generally, don't use vcite templates. Those really should be TFDd.) --Izno (talk) 21:01, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Done. {{subst:EH listed building row}} reduces the post-expand include size down to 1,753,226 of the 2,097,152 byte maximum, while leaving some template-logic clutter in the article source. Stopgap fix, pending consensus for a different solution. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks all for help. This fix seems to have worked on Scheduled monuments in Mendip but on Scheduled monuments in West Somerset the references (which I spent hours adding) are still not showing for me.— Rod talk 07:45, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
That's because that page hasn't been changed from what I can see. --Izno (talk) 14:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
@RexxS: has been trying a fix on it. A complication since I wrote this (and similar lists) is that the West Somerset council has combined with Taunton Deane to create Somerset West and Taunton so the scheduled monuments list should really be combined with List of scheduled monuments in Taunton Deane. Having moved from Somerset I really don't feel up to this fairly massive bit of work (along with the lists of listed buildings etc) at the moment.— Rod talk 14:33, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Category:Buildings and structures on the National Register of Historic Places by territory has been nominated for merging to Category:Buildings and structures on the National Register of Historic Places by state or territoryEdit


Category:Buildings and structures on the National Register of Historic Places by territory has been nominated for merging to Category:Buildings and structures on the National Register of Historic Places by state or territory. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

New designation for TaiwanEdit

I've recently created List of national monuments of Taiwan, and I would like to create a new designation for it for infoboxes.

Code for Template:Designation/text:

|NATIONAL MONUMENT OF TAIWAN|TAIWAN NATIONAL|TAIWAN|TWN = [[List of national monuments of Taiwan|National monument of Taiwan]]

Code for Template:Designation/colour:


Code for Template:Designation/colour2:


Explanatory note for inclusion in Template:Designation/doc and Template:Designation/Supported designations

{{designation/Supported designations/row|t={{{t|}}}|Taiwan|[[Taiwan]]|106|National Monument of Taiwan; Taiwan National; TWN}}

I hope I'm doing this right. Thanks!  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 14:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Ganbaruby! Is there somewhere (Taiwan govt website, or so, ideally, or some reliable source) where I can verify these designations and colours? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@ProcrastinatingReader: Yup! See, which is the Bureau of Cultural Heritage's site. There's a search section if you scroll down, and you want to sort by Monument (古蹟) and National Level (國定/重要). I chose red because that's what zh:Template:TW monument uses, but I'm fine with any color. Also, you'll notice that the database contains lots of other protected items, but I didn't make a request because there's no list article containing all of them, and I need to find a more efficient way of creating an article than manually entering a excel sheet.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 11:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: I've added those - please check if they are working correctly. Sorry about the delay. You can add the documentation bits yourself. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
@MSGJ: Works like a charm. Thanks!  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 09:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

FAR noticeEdit

I have nominated New Orleans Mint for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Bacon 05:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Collaboration Request — Cueva de las ManosEdit

Hi all! I've been working on an article on Cueva de las Manos, a UNESCO World Heritage Site and a National Historic Monument in Argentina. It's a really cool ancient cave with paintings from over 9000 years ago. The article is currently at a B class overall but I'm hoping to get it prepped for a peer review so it can become GA class. Anyways, please come by to help with the article and join in the current collaboration if you're interested. Thank you in advance! Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, could someone rate Cueva de las Manos? It currently has no rating from the project but it is rated in plenty of others. If an uninvolved editor could stop by and help out it would be much appreciated. Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Designation For Historic Monuments of CairoEdit

I've recently created List of Historic Monuments in Cairo, and I would like to create a new designation for it for infoboxes.

Code for Template:Designation/text:


Code for Template:Designation/colour:


Code for Template:Designation/colour2:


It meets the requirements with the exception of an external official website but this has to do more with the infrastructure of Egypt's ministries that should do this but don't (although I hope this will change). However, there are official lists from government cultural bodies. You can see their lists at:

Official history of Comite:

1890 List:

1903 List:

1914 List:

Official Maps were produced as well: 1951 Map produced by Egyptian Government printing

I am not sure if I am going about this correctly and would be happy to corrected. Mamlukist (talk) 23:18, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Asking for help on inserting NRHP templatesEdit

I need help having NRHP templates put in for this page:

Made several attempts to do it but I'm not doing correctly. Thanks! ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 02:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I added one a basic one. You can add additional fields if you have more info on the building. MB 04:04, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Historic markers with no buildingsEdit

Hello everyone - my comment is about this site:

I notice that there are a number of places listed that have historical markers, but there is actually no building there. I would like to remove these, and possibly have a new category created for African-American historic markers.

Of course, this doesn't include sites like battlefields. But often we have a historic house that was demolished due to preservation failures, and a marker is put there as a stop gap. People seeing the list will expect to see a building there, so its a bit misleading.

This is probably the case for a lot of historic places, not just African-American.

I am willing to do this for the ones in Richland County, but I wanted to hear feedback first from members of the WikiProject on Historic sites ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 21:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


A discussion of interest to the members of this group can be found here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

GAR noticeEdit

Tower Building of the Little Rock Arsenal has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 01:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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