Talk:Windover Archeological Site

Claim that these were of European descent

Would the editor in heaven ease his politically correctness and not allow the race of the people to be known? It's scientific fact (for whatever that's worth these days) that the people of the bog were of European descent. That is, uh, a bit of a relevancy here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.73.30.227 (talk) 14:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

If it's a scientific fact, there will be articles in the scientific journals about this - major ones in fact, as these would be the first pre-Columbian remains found proven to be of European descent. Sure, people have made wild claims about this, but that doesn't make them scientific fact. Dougweller (talk) 15:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I suspect the claims spring from the report that the mtDNA lineages found in the Windover brain matter do not match any known Native American populations. However, attempts to replicate the results, or even to re-analyze DNA from the brains, were unsuccessful. See the Update on Windover at [1]. -- Donald Albury 12:56, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

And here is an article that goes into more detail. Of three attempts reported here, two were unable to extract sufficient DNA for amplification.(p. 246) This forum page gives some hints that the available sequences are incomplete. I certainly have not found any reliable source that says that the Windover people had European DNA. -- Donald Albury 15:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

My goodness! How fortunate that the DNA of the 12,894ybp Anzick child (buried in a Montana rock shelter) proved to be so readily analyzable AND turned out to resemble that of extant Amerindians. How sad that 9000 ybp Kennewick Man's turned out to be "contaminated". How very sad indeed that the otherwise superbly preserved tissues of some 168 Windover Lake bog people (90 with preserved brain tissue) proved likewise unanalyzable upon reexamination. It seems that Dr. Lorenz's initial enthusiasm as expressed in the popular YouTube video was unwarranted, due perhaps likewise to "contamination". It appears that Dr. Lorenz was so chagrined that he moved to the west coast shortly thereafter and never published anything at all on the subject. Thus we have none of the peer-reviewed papers which might otherwise shed some light in the darkness. And no papers = no proof, as everybody knows. I guess the DNA too closely resembled his own to rule out contamination... It is also a great shame that there are no funds available (per the Brevard County website) to pursue further studies of the Windover remains. How lucky we are that the Anzick child had sufficient funding. And it was certainly wonderful of the peer reviewers to so quickly endorse the superiority of the analysis over that used by Dr. Lorenz. Jwilsonjwilson (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Milanich quote

This article seems discombobulated and lacking information. There is no discussion of the textiles involved. No discussion of the DNA results. And I fail to see, from this article, why this site is so important relative to others of its class. There are several other sites in the Americas with far greater age. I saw some mention in the talk indicating a Type II error on the part of editors here. Inability to replicate does not invalidate a prior study, though the leap to a "European" origin is not supported by the data. The original study merely excluded one putative universe. I think some mention of the initial mtDNA study and its results should be mentioned with a note that replication was not possible. - kk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.131.5.205 (talk) 03:20, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Steve Vanderjagt

I have attempted to edit the page to give credit to the man who discovered this site, but some knuckleheads continue to revert the comments. here are some substantiating facts surrounding the man who discovered the site. Steve Vanderjagt. please allow the true and correct edit.

Steve Vanderjagt's discovery of the Windover Archaeological Site is documented in several sources: Florida Frontiers “The Windover Dig” | Florida Historical Society "The year was 1982, and Steve Vanderjagt was working to clear the area around a pond in what would become the Windover Farms subdivision..." Link: https://myfloridahistory.org/frontiers/article/1 Windover Burial Site Refresh - College of Sciences News "The site was discovered in 1982 when Steve Vanderjagt, a backhoe operator working for Jim Swann's development company, EKS Corporation, lifted..." Link: https://sciences.ucf.edu/news/windover-burial-site-refresh/ Windover Bog People Archaeological Dig - Titusville Florida "The site was discovered in 1982 when a backhoe operator* discovered human bones in the black peat he was digging from the bottom of a pond. The developers..." Link: https://www.nbbd.com/godo/history/windover/ Windover: Prehistoric Past Revealed at Ancient Pond Cemetery "... Steve Vanderjagt paused to examine a pale ... Wet sites have yielded some of the most spectacular archaeological finds in the world." Link: https://www.thehistorycenter.org/windover/ These references confirm Steve Vanderjagt's role in the discovery of the Windover Archaeological Site. Links for reference: https://myfloridahistory.org/frontiers/article/1 https://sciences.ucf.edu/news/windover-burial-site-refresh/ https://www.nbbd.com/godo/history/windover/ https://www.thehistorycenter.org/windover/ You can use this information to contribute to the discussion on the relevant Wikipedia talk page, ensuring to follow Wikipedia's guidelines for citing sources and contributing to discussions. 50.89.230.117 (talk) 21:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)