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9th vs, 10th Studio Album

The intro states that the band is working on their "tenth" studio album, because this is what Cuomo referred to it as in the cited article. However, Cuomo was counting Death to False Metal - a compilation, as it is properly identified in the article - as the ninth studio album, which it is not. Hurley was their eighth studio album, so the one they are working on would be the ninth. 108.12.211.91 (talk) 16:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

If Cuomo himself says that Death to False Metal is intended as Weezer's 9th album and that he is working on Weezer "10th album", doesn't that make it true? --Brain seltzer (talk) 21:31, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I think we can avoid any controversy or edit warring by not bothering to number the studio albums, and just state which ones have been/will be released. Angryapathy (talk) 14:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Death to False Metal: studio album vs. compilation album

I've been editing the Death to False Metal article for a while, and it seems that an edit war may be approaching very rapidly if we don't reach a consensus of the status of the album. I believe that it's a studio album, since frontman Rivers Cuomo states in numerous publications ( [1] [2] ) that the record is their ninth. There is no doubt that DTFM was compiled from songs and outtakes from previous records; however, I believe that the lead singer's opinion is greater than ours. He knows the band better than anyone else on Wikipedia, and if he clearly states that the record is their ninth studio album, who are we to disagree with that? I'm trying extremely hard to prevent an edit war occurring, so any ideas, comments, suggestions, or questions are greatly welcomed. WereWolf (talk) 18:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I would personally call it a studio album, based on Cuomo's comments. The songs had been written at different stages, but it seems that the actual studio recording of all the songs was done in 2010. I'd suggest starting an RfC for it, and invite some of the Wikiprojects involved in music to discuss the issue, to go an outside view on the subject. Angryapathy (talk) 14:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I also agree with calling it a studio album. Something that could be done to help clarify things is adding info about the recording process so people understand that this isn't just a compilation of old, unreleased songs—as I've mentioned elsewhere, Cuomo and Weezer took the original recordings, replaced some of the parts, added some new parts, re-recorded some parts and vocals, added some new vocals and new lyrics, added new guitar solos, etc. They produced a new, unified studio album, and that process is described online in interviews like this one, but it's not reflected at all in the album's article here on Wikipedia. So if someone wants to tackle adding that info, I think that would be helpful. I'd do it, but I have a very busy week ahead of me and don't have much experience with writing material for music articles, so I won't get it done any time soon. DeadpoolRP (talk) 19:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

That's a very good idea! If you need help with adding information to the article, I'd be glad to help. WereWolf (talk) 23:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

RfC

It was recommend by another user that I post a RfC about the status of Weezer's album, Death to False Metal. There have been debates about whether or not it is a studio album. The songs were compiled from more than twenty years ago; however, the versions of the songs are newly recorded by frontman Rivers Cuomo. Cuomo also states in multiple, reliable sources that the record is their ninth, and he considers it to be a studio album. I'm trying to prevent an WP:EDITWAR from happening on both articles (Weezer and Death to False Metal), and I thought it would be best to start a RfC for comment. Thank you! WereWolf (talk) 02:43, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

• Note I have posted notices on the talk pages of WikiProject Discographies, WikiProject Alternative Music, and WikiProject Music regarding this RfC. Angryapathy (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I recently had a conversation about this with DeadpoolRP at User talk:IllaZilla#Weezer. If the songs were re-recorded or heavily worked on (newly recorded & re-recorded parts, overdubs, etc.) in-studio rather than simply compiled from 20-odd years of outtakes, then the album is more logically classified as a studio album as it consists of "new" recordings rather than being compiled from old recordings. The problem is, the article as it stands now doesn't say anything about the tracks being worked on or any new recording taking place, and the language it does use gives the impression that it's a compilation of old, unused recordings. The confusion could be resolved, and edit wars avoided, if the article were improved by adding referenced explanation of how the material was worked on, re-recorded, and updated rather than simply compiled. I see that DeadpoolRP has already mentioned this above. I think that allocating efforts to improving the article, thus clearing up the confusion, would be more helpful than spending days debating in an RfC. --IllaZilla (talk) 15:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll add my two cents down here for the sake of the RfC. I would call Death to False Metal a studio album for Weezer based on the statements by their lead singer:

• "With ‘Death to False Metal,’ none of those songs had been heard before. It’s not a standard rarities collection, in that these songs were not actually B-sides or released anywhere. They’re just songs that we had started recording at one point, but for one reason or another couldn’t finish up, or we finished them but they just didn’t belong on a record. So in a sense, it was extremely fun and easy because there’s all this material that I love, and it felt like the bulk of the work was already done. I get to go in now, in some cases, years after having started the songs and with a totally fresh perspective and tons of energy. It’s so easy to figure out — oh, obviously there’s supposed to be a solo here, so I’ll just edit that in. Or that lyric was all wrong. Let me fix that. Or let me put a harmony here, and it very quickly came together and it was quite a lot of fun." -Rivers Cuomo

Also, at least two sources refer to the album after Death to False Metal as the 10th album: [3], [4]. I would say based on this information we should consider the album a studio album, and Weezer's ninth. Angryapathy (talk) 15:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, that makes total sense, but it makes no difference whether we agree on it here if the article itself doesn't include this kind of explanation; editors will continue to be confused and continue to change it to compilation if the article doesn't explain the work that went into creating it. Since you folks (WereWolf, DeadpoolRP, Angryapathy) seem to have both the interest and the sources, get on over to the article and improve it! That'll make this RfC completely unnecessary. --IllaZilla (talk) 15:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that is an over-simplification of the issue, since the album blurs the line between studio and compilation album, and does require some stated consensus based on the constant reverts going on by Weezer fans. Yes, Death to False Metal could be described better in this article (I included the above quote), but it is necessary to reach a consensus, especially since Wikipedia treats compilations and studio albums differently. Angryapathy (talk) 15:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it should be classified as a studio album as per the comments by Rivers Cuomo and editors here. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 02:31, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Compilation albums are generally compiled of songs that were previously released on other albums or as singles. It doesn't sound like that's the case here. Were any of the songs previously released in the same versions? -Freekee (talk) 06:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No, these songs were never previously released before. The songs on the album were written years ago; however, the recordings of the songs that appear on DTFM are new recordings done by frontman Rivers Cuomo. He reworked the songs into their final form after the release of Hurley. WereWolf (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

That's not totally accurate: What I've seen online says that Weezer used the basic, unfinished tracks that had been recorded previously, to which they added parts, removed parts, changed parts, etc., to get the finished tracks released on the album. So I agree it's a studio album, not just a compilation, but we need to make sure that the information we present is accurate. DeadpoolRP (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I worded that wrong. WereWolf (talk) 05:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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Pat Is Dead!

Pat Is Dead! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.241.125 (talk) 15:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

No he's not. You're a liar. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 20:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

YOU LIED!!! :P 213.107.186.105 (talk) 15:57, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Emo?!!?

How on earth is Weezer "emo"? Emo is a subgenre of hardcore punk. Do you really think Weezer is hardcore punk? Rocker10000 (talk) 13:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I personally hate genres...but with Weezer, it seems that allmusic.com calls them Emo. I'd say that maybe Pinkerton is Emo, and that is where allmusic gets that genre from. I personally disagree with the source, but unless you can find other sources, or we can get consensus that they aren't emo, by WP policies, the genre stays. Angryapathy (talk) 21:10, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Greenwald, Andy (2003). Nothing Feels Good: Punk Rock, Teenagers, and Emo. New York: St. Martin's Griffin. --Calls Pinkerton the most important emo album of the decade Puddytang (talk) 02:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Origin

I thought Weezer formed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, not Los Angeles, California.--4.255.53.222 (talk) 03:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you present a source on where you got this information from, because I highly doubt this is true.--猛禽22 ^•• 03:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

The "Buddy Holly" video on the Windows 95 install CD - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemivUKb4f4 173.60.95.232 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC).

AFAIK their claim to be from the midwest was a lie that they did for marketing reasons Puddytang (talk) 02:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Maldroit

"the label sent out a letter to radio stations requesting the song be pulled until an official" -- it never makes clear what song it is talking about Puddytang (talk) 03:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind Reference

Where does it ever reference Nevermind in Heart Songs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PBTF-Guitarist (talk • contribs) 20:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

- The lyrics of the final verse

"Back in 1991, I wasn't having any fun Until my roommate said 'come on' and put a brand new record on Had a baby on it, he was naked on it Then I heard the chords that broke the chains I had upon me" Weezer, "Heart Songs", 2008

Indie

Who came up with the idea they are indie? AmericanLeMans (talk) 01:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Death to False Metal, Weezer's ninth studio album?

A few years back, there was a consensus established that Death to False Metal is to be considered Weezer's ninth studio album, rather than a compilation album. With their new album, Everything Will Be Alright in the End soon to be released and people continuing to argue over this, I think it's time for another discussion to be had, per WP: Consensus can change.

Now, some sources call it a studio album, while others call it a compilation album, and then there's others which say that Everything Will Be Alright in the End will be the ninth studio album, supposedly leaving out Death to False Metal. Which should we go by? Kokoro20 (talk) 19:47, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I think Death to False Metal needs to be changed to a compilation album considering major music news outlets are referring to their upcoming record, Everything Will Be Alright in the End, as their 9th studio album. Billboard also refers to "Everything" as their 9th studio album]. Plus, there was never a single released for "Death," and it's a collection of unreleased Weezer songs spanning the majority of their career.

If you go to Weezer's official website they don't have "Death to False Metal" in their music section, yet they have their first 8 studio albums. It's becoming clear "Death" is not a studio album. Jrroisman (talk) 02:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I have moved your comment down here from the other thread, since I had just opened this new discussion. Also, it is recommended for you to sign your talk page posts (I just did so for you here). Anyway, you make a good point here, since places like Billboard and Rolling Stone are very reputed sources. Considering that and the fact that it's not listed in Weezer's discography on their official website, I am now convinced that Death to False Metal should not be considered a studio album, but rather a compilation album. Kokoro20 (talk) 08:17, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

From the research I've done, Death to False Metal is a compilation album, not a studio album. If you go to the band's discography section on AllMusic, you will see Death to False Metal is no longer in the studio albums section. This source from Rolling Stone even calls the album a compilation. [5] TheOnlyOne12 (talk) 22:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Rivers considered it a proper album at the time. I don't see how he's allowed to go back on his words for the purpose of saving face. You put out an album, you can't just take it back and say it's not. Sigh. 96.227.59.12 (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Pat's guitar playing

Pat still plays guitar, he didn't quit in 2009. Zackmadd (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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Pop

I believe pop should be removed as it does not describe all the music they have made even a little. Maybe Pop Rock but pop is very vague. There are also sources calling them Emo, Pop punk, Rock, Power Pop, Alt Rock, Indie Rock, so referring to them as Pop is inaccurate. Dekai Averett (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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pare the lede, please

The article's beginning suffers from typical fanboy enthusiasm, namely trying to cram as much trivia as possible — generally unsourced — into a tiny space. This quickly results in bloat, random structure (rather, total lack thereof), and overall repetetiveness. More than half of this particular lede is either better suited for the article body or needlessly repeats what's already better served in the body.
Weeb Dingle (talk) 17:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Timeline

The timeline has a lot of black bars that start at the beginning of the timeline. Anybody know how to fix that? Freefalling660 (talk) 22:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Weezer: The 8-Bit Album

Is Weezer: The 8-Bit Album and/or Weezer - The Second 8-bit Album notable enough to have it's own page or is it way too small? St. Jimmy (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QR6FRZiG0Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECtWVAsNMFE&t=1643s)

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