Talk:Weezer/Archive 2

"The Blue Album" or "the Blue Album?"

Throughout the article it's mostly refered to as the latter, but shouldn't the entire title be capitilized, including "the?" I'm just going to go ahead and change it if nobody minds.

Flufflescump (talk) 03:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Weezerpedia

is this info relevant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.48.6.139 (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the information about "Weezerpedia" because it's nothing more than an advertisement for some wikipedia knock off about Weezer, whether it's supported by Weezer or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.233.95 (talk) 01:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Main Article Link for TRA

is this necessary? it's not there for any of the other albums. i'm gonna delete it, feel free to replace it if it belongs and i'm stupid.

JasonDaniel123 08:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

i think there should be one for all of them then

LA (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

TRA section is way too long

read the title. i'm just puttin this out there.

JasonDaniel123 10:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

emo

I'm an user and sysop on it.wiki, and I'm really amazed that here this band, which album Pinkerton has been defined as "a cornerstone of the late-Nineties emo movement" by Rolling Stone, isn't qualified as emo. --KS«...» 21:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

This source has been added, though due to the present-day stigma surrounding term, it assuredly awaits erroneous removal. I do not think that what "emo" has come to mean today warrants a recontextualization of Weezer's sound. Tim010987 (talk)

WHO THE HELL PUT THEM AS EMO???? I WOULD DELETE THAT BUT IT'S BEEN PROVEN BY SOME IDIOTIC TONGUE-IN-CHEEK INTERVIEW BY THE FLIPPIN ROLLING STONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST TAKE IT OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tanner9461 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It is NOT proven, the link shows you a review where the only thing said is that emo rockers spun off after them, it is not said they are! They are most definatly NOT EMO. Why are people now tagging a lot of bands al Emo? It makes no sense, I heard someone stuff a lot of alternative bands into this stupid emo-genre... so sad greetings, Kathy 01 December 2008

...Weezer shouldn't be classified as an emo band. I could add "Indie" to the list of genres and back it up with a couple of sources, but it still doesn't make them indie. 130.126.64.125 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC).

Ok, I want this to be resolved forever. We all know that Weezer made this abrasive, really good emo album called Pinkerton, but the thing is, a band with 6 completely released and successful studio albums, each one tending to an alternative/power pop style but the emo one I said, can be defined as emo only because of that emo album?. Only because of ONE emo album, of 6 released?. It doesn't matter if that fact is properly supported by sources, how can only one album define the whole style of the band?. I think some things are wrongly done here. 190.71.250.56 (talk) 20:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

This band neither has anything to do with the correct meaning of emo(...motional HARDCORE) nor has it anything to do with the nowadays deftiniton of 'emo' (at this point i'd love to make some offensive description, but you guys know the deal i guess). The sources who claim this band is emo simply suck, sorry. So, since they're not technically emo nor looking like nowadays *cough, cough*, I'm going to delete that emo-tag of the Genre(s)-section. 'nuff said. Julian.l91 (talk) 19:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on verifiable sources not your personal opinion, the sources very clearly link them to the genre whether you like it or not. Do not remove it again. --neon white talk 16:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I know wiki ain't based on personal opinions, it's not like im THAT dumb. But the sources are all wrong. Why won't you please check out the wikipedia site for emo? This kinda doesn't work with each other, does it? Having emotional content in your music doesn't make you emo, but playing emotional hardcore does, because emo is a short for emotional hardcore. It's not like the term emo gets a different meaning because some sources that obviously don't know anything about the real meaning of genres say so. Weezer aren't emo, please learn about genres. Julian.l91 (talk) 21:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Julian... you're wrong. Your opinion doesn't mean squat, so just leave it. It doesn't matter if you agree or i agree or if another 5 editors agree, the fact is - according to wikipedia guidelines and such, the right thing to do is include what the sources say. Because, those sources are the experts and they know a hell of a lot more about what they're talking about than you - that's why you're sitting there preaching your garbage to us, and they're writing articles for freaking Rolling Stone. Give up. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 16:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

"I know wikipedia isnt based on personal opinions but all the sources are wrong" is definetely a quote to keep! and yes the emo article does mention weezer. --neon white talk 17:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! So you're actually saying they can claim as much bullshit as they like to, wikipedia won't care. Even if a million people say something stupid, it's after all still something stupid. What a nice place for education. So well, get happy with your emo-tag and spreading bullshit. Julian.l91 (talk) 18:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

You really have to stop thinking your opinion means more than a qualified musical journalist. Listen to the album - it's really not that rediculous. If they did claim bullshit, the source would not be considered reliable. Though when there's a dozen + sources saying the same thing, you can't argue with it. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 05:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Pinkerton is definitively an Emo album. But you cannot say Weezer is an Emo band just because they released only one Emo album. They released 6 studio albums so far, and Pinkerton is the only Emo one there, the rest are pretty alternative/power pop, with Maladroit even being Pop punk. Weezer did make an Emo album, but they did another 5 albums, and I don't think anyone can define the band musical style only because of one single album. 190.71.236.61 (talk) 17:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Nobody is saying anything is 'true' or 'defining the band'. The genre field represents styles of music that the band has been linked with by reliable music publications not the opinions of individuals. The fact that weezer are heavily linked to the genre and style is clearly verifiable and well documents and isn't changed by the release of other albums that may be cited as a different style. --neon white talk 21:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Futhermore, it is part of their discography, we can't just ignore it. I'm sure people can define what emo is referring to - at least after reading the article. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 05:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just listened to that record an as I expected it wasn't very hardcore at all. Though when there's a dozen + sources saying the same thing, you can't argue with it. -> Even if millions of people say a stupid thing, it remains something stupid. I'm out of this, sticking with the exact definition of 'emo' though. All this genre-stuff is only confusing anyway (this debate is a good example I guess). A band should stand for their sound with their name and not be able to be put in a category with others. Julian.l91 (talk) 14:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Rolling Stone reporters are not professionals all they do is offer their opinion so how can you say they're a valid source, going by the definition for emo, you would find that Weezer is anything but, and a source from a publication whose articles offer opinions seems to be a double standard on the use of opinions on wikipedia. The writers for Rolling Stone are not Genre experts they are writers, most of them probably couldn't find their way through a guitar tab let alone sheet music. I don't think the emo lable should be there, but a small note on the fact that some consider them emo, and using the rolling stone article as a reference, is the way it should be done. An already established definition for a genre should take precedent over an opinion based article. I also recall many Germans denying the existence of the concentration camps, and I'm sure someone could come up with a source of a German saying so, but that doesn't make it a valid source. The emo tag should be removed, but still noted within the article.--Ed (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

This whole emo thing is really an example of how far pop music criticism has fallen. Emo has been at least 5 different things over twenty years (hardcore, post-hardcore, power pop stuff, some type of acoustic thing, pop punk, some psuedo-goth thing, etc.) The differences between Weezer's first album and Pinkerton are minute (less polished production and a more personalized style; it's still basically the same type of music.) You could call the Replacements, Modest Mouse, The Cure, Pavement, or Foo Fighters emo based on the loose definitions that have been thrown around over time. It would take a large book to fully explain how this meaningless, ridiculous term gained so much currency over the years. Use emo if you wish, you can't turn back time and choke whoever came up with that godforsaken term, but any sensible person should be able to hear that it's all nonsense. JonasEB (talk) 09:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Self Titled Albums

I skim-read through the article and was wondering if there was any specific reason why there are three self-titled albums by Weezer, and if there is perhaps it could be incorporated into the article? londonsista | ^Prod 14:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Indie rock

is Weezer really Indie rock?. I must recognize that they have a some elements, but are they, in short, Indie rock?. Garage kid (talk) 31 August 2008

No, not at all. They have NEVER been on an independent label and they don't even sound remotely like the average indie rock band. Anybody who seriously thinks Weezer are an indie rock band clearly has no idea about indie music and/or Weezer. How can a band signed to Geffen Records for nearly 15 years be indie? Ridiculous. Ezenden (talk) 00:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I though. That's all I needed to know. So, watch out at the article, because someone is changing the last genre for Indie rock. Garage kid (talk) 31 August 2008

It's kind of like the Emo argument. Pinkerton was a definitive "90's emo" album but Weezer as a whole isn't emo. Rivers will barely ever even play any music from Pinkerton at live shows. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 10:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

indie rock should be taken off.--71.246.39.180 (talk) 00:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Influences

The influences section needs some work, as the tone is not good for wikipedia, and it cites no sources. I will work on it unless someone else thinks that it is fine the way it is. Pajaeslick (talk) 02:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Need to Add Weezer Christmas Album

Need to add new album - Christmas With Weezer

http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-With-Weezer/dp/B001NBIME6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1229477120&sr=8-1

68.230.22.36 (talk) 01:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)JArnone

Added: Christmas with Weezer k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 04:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Five EPs?

Does anyone have a source for the 5 EPs claimed in the introduction? I can only count three:

1. The Good Life EP
2. The Lion and the Witch EP
3. Christmas with Weezer EP (Digital download only)

Any ideas what the other two might be? 152.78.65.21 (talk) 13:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

From the template at the bottom of each Weezer page: The Good Life (1997) · The Lion and the Witch (2002) · Winter Weezerland (2005) · Six Hits (2008) · Christmas with Weezer (2008) k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 14:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

associated acts?

all the other pages have it, why not weezer?

Hey I added all of them for you, so, they should be there.

Members

Somebody should add an article that has the current members and how long they've been in the band and former members and how long the were in the band.

EX. for The Police:

Band members

• Sting: lead vocals, bass guitar (1977–1984, 1986, 2003, 2007–2008)
• Andy Summers: guitar, backing vocals (1977–1984, 1986, 2003, 2007–2008)
• Stewart Copeland: drums, percussion, backing vocals (1977–1984, 1986, 2003, 2007–2008)
• Henry Padovani: guitar (1977)

Line-ups

(January 1977–July 1977)	Sting: lead vocals, bass guitar Henry Padovani: guitar Stewart Copeland: drums, percussion, backing vocals
(July 1977–August 1977)	Sting: lead vocals, bass guitar Henry Padovani: lead guitar Andy Summers: rhythm guitar, backing vocals Stewart Copeland: drums, percussion, backing vocals
(August 1977–1984)	Sting: lead vocals, bass guitar Andy Summers: guitar, backing vocals Stewart Copeland: drums, percussion, backing vocals
(1984–January 2007)	(The Police disbanded)
(January 2007–August 2008)	Sting: lead vocals, bass guitar Andy Summers: guitar, backing vocals Stewart Copeland: drums, percussion, backing vocals

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.95.2 (talk) 15:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Whats with Sunshine O and the Picture of Rivers

The picture should be showing the full band

What is with Sunshine O every where and in associated acts there Pussy Control whatever that is. Can anyone explain?

I believe I can explain

• This article has been under attack by (possibly organized) multiple vandals. I've removed the most obvious stuff and fixed the image, but I'm not terribly familiar with Wezer so there's probably stuff I've missed. The whole article should probably be closely scrutinized by somebody familiar with their work to root out any other sneaky vandal edits. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, it seems there has been so much vandalism, I have protected the page and reverted to a a version from 10 days ago. The protection is short, list at WP:RPP if it flares back up once it's over. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Missing Album

Isn't there another missing album in there?

The green album was also self-titled was it not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.48.122 (talk) 01:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

False genre

Regarding this edit, is emo a "false genre" as the editor says, or should it stay because it has a ref? Radiopathy •talk• 16:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The genre in particular is backed-up with numerous sources. I reverted the edit.--猛禽22 ^•• 20:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I had to ask! I saw the refs, but...EMO?!? Oh well! Radiopathy •talk• 03:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Most likely the editor who put Emo is referrign to Weezer's cult album Pinkerton, considering a cornerstone in the 90's emo movement. Almost every other song/album they have released is NOT emo, but since they did release that one emo album, the genre tag should stay, just to clarify.--Gen. Quon (talk) 01:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Not to flog a dead rat, necessarily, but it wasn't called "emo" in 1996 or whenever it was; that's a revisionist genre. Radiopathy •talk• 02:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I under stand what you're saying. Yeah, they didn't release it labeled as "NEW EMO RECORD" ;) But then again, it still is considered one today.--Gen. Quon (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Years Active

Shouldn't years 1997-2000 not be on "Years active" as they were on hiatus? --Jak (talk) 05:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking... WereWolf (talk) 04:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

No, "years active" means the years the band was together. They never offically broke up. Bands go on hiatus all the time. For example, Bon Jovi went on hiatus from 1990-1992 and persued solo projects and many thought that the band was breaking up but they came back in '92 and fired their bassist and things went back to normal and their page lists their "years active" as 1985-present. Evanescence too.Sbrianhicks (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Live DVD

From the article: "The band has announced the possible release of a live DVD composed of footage from the 2005 Japan tour. It will consist of a two-day, seven-camera shoot of the shows in Japan, plus material that will be drawn from various behind-the-scenes footage. The DVD was announced in late 2005, but in a 2006 update on the band's website, Karl Koch noted it was "apparently edited, but has been put on hold for now."

Last night I watched a Weezer concert on TV, that was shot in 2005, and was in Japan. Surely that concert is the same one mentioned above, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.152.242 (talk) 19:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Weezer leaves major label and goes indie

this artical states it. http://beatcrave.com/2010-04-26/weezer-leaves-major-label-goes-indie/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.198.77 (talk) 03:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Lucas Secon edit

I have removed the Lucas Secon reference for the following reasons: the article is from May 2010, so that information would apply to Hurley, not to Weezer, as anything Secon would have produced when the article was written would have applied to that album. If new info can be found on what Secon did for Hurley, (other than "working on some Weezer stuff 6 months ago) then I believe that would be a good place for the information. Angryapathy (talk) 13:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Death to False Metal and discography section

I have added the album Death to False Metal under the discography section under the subheading of "Compilation albums". If anyone disagrees, let's start the discussion here instead of reverting one another. Angryapathy (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Considering there is an entire article for other Weezer releases, I don't agree with adding just one compilation album to the discography on the main article. The exclusion of compilations, greatest hits, EPs, etc. are seen on many articles (such as Alice in Chains) that have their own discography page. Though I'm not totally against it if there is a good reason to include. Can you clarify why you think it should be included? Thanks. HrZ (talk) 14:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I would say that the album should be included as it isn't your typical "Compilation album"; all the songs on the record were unreleased previously and are studio-produced. Even Cuomo has stated that he considers the album to be their 9th studio album. (Which is another problem althogether, but I'll stick to this issue). If it were a live album, a greatest hits album, a demo album, or a covers album, I'd probably agree that it belongs in the Weezer Discography article. But this album seems somewhere between studio album and compilation, so I'd say it belongs on the main page. Angryapathy (talk) 14:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)