Talk:Velim, Goa

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have added and edited RoquiSantan was elected twice as member of the Goa Legislative Assembly from this home constituency and was the recipient of prestigious 'Tambra Patra National Award' at the hands of PM Indira Gandhi for his outstanding role in Goa's freedom.Decan.reporter (talk) 23:11, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians,

This is the press release by Kadamba Coterie after their sentiments were hurt in Velliapura in 2013. Velim, 11 kilometers from Margao, South Goa. Dec. 21st 2013. Mr.Venkatesha A. Upadhiaya today submitted a memorandum to the President of India Mr.Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Mr.Manmohan Singh and Mr. Pravin Srivastava of Archeological Survey of India ASI, demanded to immediately acquire and save the 12th century, Kadamba Jayakeshi Southern Capital Velimpura site which is also the cremation ground of the last Ruler of Hangal located in present day Velim, South Goa a place of National Interest? from the possession of Mrs Ana Emerita, widow of a great Goan, late Roqiue Santana charging her for constructing on the scared grounds, denying access by locking the compound gates and playing regional card with the pilgrims from the neighboring villages of Karnataka who visit Velim once a year, a centuries old practice and as part of the Banavasi festival celebrations to pay their respect to the 1368AD Velimpura cremation ground of Purandarai-Deva the ruler of Hangal.

Warning the locals who were present here today not to be silent spectators to injustice done to the glorious historical past Mr. Upadhiaya a native of Belgaum lamented while reacting to regionalism that prior to his death in 2007 Roqiue Santana like his father in Portuguese colonial times always gave a warm welcome and supply of drinking water as a gesture of respect to the Kannada visitors at the site. Roqiue Santana popularly known as Father of Goa’s Democracy was the local elected representative to liberated Goa legislative Assembly. No doubt this family is Goan, like thousands of Goans they are of Deccan origin too?. Mr. Upadhiaya said.

Earlier, a man who walked up behind the secured gates calling himself the security for the Roqiue Santana family charged last years pilgrims of criminal mischief, theft and robbery as important antiques went missing following last Dec. pilgrims visit and said that the family has moved out of this country and ordered the driver of the tour bus to get going. Leading the pilgrims Mr. Upadhiaya? 82, denied? the allegation here today in Velim saying? that we are always protective of the family and do respect their privacy and recollected his family?s ancestors ties as Sarva-Karyakartas meaning chief secretary, a hereditary appointment up to the time when Governor of Madras presidency George Harris under Lord Dalhousie administration confiscated the Haliyal Timber and Construction Lime Co. goods of Roqiue Santan’s greatgrand father in Nov of 1855. Mr. Upadhiaya held that most of the pilgrims are the descendants of the? family?s Haliyal compound work force. Historians hold that Haliyal yard was basically? Goa? ruling Reigns Armoury and is today converted into Haliyal Bus Terminal. In his memorandum he urged Archeological? Survey Of India (ASI) to atleast save this Velim landmark for future generations.

According to this famous historical source held sacred by Hangal Coterie, Purandarai ruler of Hangal and family on the eve of his fall in 1347 secretly traveled over night to joined his daughter who herself took shelter in safer Jayakeshi Velimpura compound in 1345 when her husband was assassinated by Mohammedans at present day Chandor. A second wall stone Kannada inscription dated 1396 in the Velim compound marks the death and cremation of? Veenomai-Devi beauty and wife of? Suriya-Deva, slain Sovereign at Chandrapur palace, daughter of Late Purandaraideva, Kadambarasa of Hangal confirms this history. It can be infered from the Velim inscription that Goa Kadamba Suriya-Deva son of Beera, was married to the nearby royal bride who was his distance cousin. Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism

Mr. Upadhiaya said. Before adopting Portuguese Catholicism this Velimpura family’s ancestors had given up worship in their temples for fear of Mohammedan trap, reinvented themselves as Haliyal timber lords where converted by Orthodox Nasranis of Malabar in early1400s.Some of the Syrian origin worship items and anointing oil alabastrons saved by Upadhiaya's great grand father and moved to Belgaum after the 1855 British confiscation of Haliyal compound is convincing evidence. Further, quoting Kannada stone inscriptions on Konkan sea pirate Timu 'enemy turned friend' recovered from present day Haliyal Bus stand tell that Timu in those crucial years provided protection for their ancestors in return for timber for his shipbuilding needs had exploited this converts fear issue and used Portuguese forces to drive Mohammedans away and enforced his Timu administration in Goa in 1510. The Portuguese? in a while overpowered Timu and colonized Goa. It is a well known historical conclusion that this Christian connection attracted early Jesuits including Francis Xavier to visit Velliapura first for refreshment before traveling inland for conversions, he added.

Prof. Nilkanth Sah Paddaam in this press release said here today that a six member delegation headed by Mr. Upadhiaya is leaving for New Delhi tomorrow to follow up with his memorandum. Dec/2013 Deccan Herald, Press Release/Nilkanth Sah Paddaam, Belgaum. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, when you hit/click the reference please scroll down to this title:- ‘Roque Santana anniversary observed ‘ . PANJIM, 11th Jun 2013: The 51st anniversary of the ‘Father of Goan Democracy’ late Roque Santana Fernandes who went on an indefinite hunger strike in Margao in 1962 which resulted in elections being declared for the first time in Goa in December 1963 was observed in Velim, Monday.

The late Roque Santana resorted to a fast unto death demanding that elected members and not appointed ones should represent Goa in Parliament, with the result that Gopal Handoo, adviser to then Lt Governor of Goa met him at the instance of then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He gave up the strike, met Nehru and it was agreed to hold elections for the first time in Goa in 1963. It is for the democratic fight that he was hailed as the `Father of Goan Democracy.’

Late Roque Santana was subsequently elected to Goa Assembly twice in 1967 and 1971 and was awarded Tambra Patra for his contribution for Goa’s freedom. Decan.reporter (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Press releases are never suitable sources as they are never independent and never neutral The Banner talk 17:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

History

The first paragraph of the "History" section is confusing. The grammar prevents me from interpreting the content. Anon685 (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Merge stub Naik-Caiero, Silvas and Ubdando into this article with separate redirects. They are parts of this village and do not appear to need or justify separate articles. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Here's my reply User talk:Pbsouthwood#Regarding your merge tag at Naik-Caiero, Silvas and Ubdando. ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 11:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Rejoy2003, Please keep discussions on article content on the article talk page where the discussion was started, so that other interested parties can contribute in the proper place. I will move your response to here where it should have been posted in the first place, and will respond to it here. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Regarding your merge tag at Naik-Caiero, Silvas and Ubdando

Hello, I'm quite taken away by your placement of the merge tag on article Naik-Caiero, Silvas and Ubdando. Firstly, I'm against it. Why? Because there are similar articles that have already been reviewed and are "village subdivisions" of Velim village. See Tollecanto, Cutbona & Baradi, Goa. I think this article should not be merged but stay as it is as an independent article.

If the problem is mention of three subdivisions as the article name, we can have them made independent articles for each subdivision for eg. Naik-Caiero article etc, which I think might be appropriate given the current circumstances. ✠ Rejoy2003 ✠ (contact) 09:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Rejoy2003 The correct place to discuss a proposed merge is at the article talk page where the merge is proposed. To get my attention, you can simply ping me from your comments there. My talk page is not the proper place for this discussion. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 09:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Rejoy2003 If you are against the proposed merge, you are free to contest it by explaining why it would be better for Wikipedia to keep the articles separate. Please take into account the relevant Wikipedia content policies, which may be referred to when assessing the merger. At present Naik-Caiero, Silvas and Ubdando is a stub, it is about three subdivisions of a village, which it would appear is made up of quite a large number of subdivisions, there is currently no content in the main article about the subdivisions other than links, and there is no obvious reason why is should not be merged into the article on the village, which is currently quite small, and would be improved by having more content. It is not necessarily relevant that other subdivisions have been reviewed and not tagged for merging. This could happen at any time if in the considered opinion of one or more editors, the encyclopedia would be improved by merging them. As I have not looked at the other subdivision articles I cannot comment further on them at this stage. Bear in mind also that a merge is not necessarily permanent, and the article can be split again if and when it becomes too big, or some other legitimate reason to split arises. Personal preferences do not carry any weight in this decision if they conflict with policy.· · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 12:31, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

• Merge - zero rationale for a separate article. Makes much more sense to include in target.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
• Merge no reason for separate article with the small amount of info about a specific ward of a village, better included in main ariticle. MB 16:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)