Talk:Tokitsukaze stable hazing scandal

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The result of the move request was moved to Tokitsukaze stable hazing scandal. Consensus on Wikipedia has consistently that if a person is famous for only one event, then the article should be named after the event, not the person. Aervanath (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

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Takashi Saito (sumo wrestler) → Tokitsukaze heya rikishi hazing scandal — I feel with the new title, there are far greater potential to write about the scandal itself than an BLP about a sumo wrestler that was notable for his death. As my Japanese is not-good, any title suggestions are welcome.. Donnie Park (talk) 00:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. There probably could be another article about the scandal, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with this one. (Also, it's not a BLP, because as you noted, he has died.) Or the information on the scandal could be added to Tokitsukaze stable. I think the naming you'd want would just be Tokitsukaze stable hazing scandal. Dekimasuよ! 00:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Support. As a person, he certainly isn't notable, as his sumo career was over almost before it had begun, but the event is notable. Therefore the the title of the article should be the event, not the person, as we have with (for example) Madeleine McCann's disappearance which is at Disappearance of Madeleine McCann and not Madeleine McCann. I would rather it was not contained within the Tokitsukaze stable article but instead given its own one.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Support Usually, articles are not created for rikishi unless they have been ranked in makuuchi for at least three tournaments. The Japanese wikipedia article doesn't even mention his name -- although the Japanese wikipedia seems to have a policy against naming victim's names. There is also WP:SINGLEEVENT to consider. I think changing the article name to the event is appropriate -- in which case, Dekimasu's title for the article is better than the proposed one by Donnie Park. XinJeisan (talk)

• To be clear, what we're discussing now is not really just a "rename and move" but a "merge and redirect", yes? bd2412 T 01:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. In my opinion it is a really bad idea to create article names about people that describe what the person has done. Madeleine McCann can be about the only notable event in her life, but the article should be named simply her name. It is absurd to name the article on Abraham Lincoln, 16th President of the United States (Abraham Lincoln) The rules on keeping the topic on something notable should clearly only apply to the topic of the article, not the name of the article. Use the person's name, no matter what they did or didn't do. Disambiguate it if needed, and don't if otherwise. Keep It Simply Smart. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 03:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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