Talk:Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – 31 March 2024)

195.244.210.117

My browser counts 11 instances... ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 03:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-protected edit request 1 January 2024

A museum dedicated to Ukrainian nationalist Roman Shukhevych...

Nationalist? He was a major war criminal responsible for ethnic cleansings. It should be changed to something like

A museum dedicated to Ukrainian war criminal Roman Shukhevych...

For reference, from Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia article:

Roman Shukhevych, a UPA commander, stated in his order from 25 February 1944: "In view of the success of the Soviet forces it is necessary to speed up the liquidation of the Poles, they must be totally wiped out, their villages burned... only the Polish population must be destroyed".

85.193.204.141 (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Has he been officially recognized? If not, the word nationalist is the most sober description that can be done for now. Borgenland (talk) 14:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Is this a joke? His article already lists plenty of sources naming him a war criminal, this is one of them.

Shukhevych’s critics portray him as a war criminal; his admirers either overlook this episode or regard his collaboration with Nazi Germany as unproblematic.

Yeah, collaborating with nazis and organizing violent purge of civilians is definitely unproblematic.

Also, Soviet authorities persecuted him and his entire family. While Soviets were evil, they wouldn't go to such lengths after a regular criminal, especially in 1950s (keep in mind that NKVD was already dissolved 4 years prior). What else do you want, a UN resoultion? International tribunal 80 years after the events happened. Calling him simply nationalist is akin to whitewashing Oskar Dirlewanger or Joachim Peiper as mere military officers. 85.193.204.141 (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I’m also basing it on the article lead. Had it been clearly identified as such at the start then I wouldn’t have minded inserting that description. Borgenland (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree to include the war criminal in the description also. Borgenland (talk) 16:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Please change:

"A museum about Ukrainian nationalist, Nazi collaborator, and war criminal Roman Shukhevych in Lviv was set on fire by a Russian drone."

To:

"A museum in Lviv dedicated to Roman Shukhevych was set on fire by a Russian drone."

Because it is only tangentially related to this article what the burned museum was about. If it is, for some reason, important for readers of this article to know more about the topic of the museum then an alternative is:

"A museum in Lviv dedicated to Roman Shukhevych, A Ukrainian nationalist and a military leader of the nationalist Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), was set on fire by a Russian drone."

Which is taken directly from the lead paragraph of the linked article dedicated to Roman Shukhevych since presumably these are the most important facts about him.

Maybe "Ukrainian nationalist, Nazi, and war criminal" is the best introductory description of Roman Shukhevych. But isn't that a matter to discuss on the Roman Shukhevych page? Uhoj (talk) 22:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Disagree.

Please try not to engage in historical denialism about a major war criminal. His article already mentions that its "lead section may be too short to adequately summarize the key points.".

And the university they hit? It has Stepan Bandera monument in front of it.

For once this was not a random bombing of civilians but... actual and targeted denazification. It could be a one-off incident or an early sign that on enemy's side someone more competent took command. (It also breaks "there are no nazis" narrative when there was a museum of literal nazi war criminal. Just a sign that this war is not so black and white.) 85.193.204.141 (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Having now read his article I see why you call him a "literal nazi war criminal." He is not a sympathetic character.

However, characterizing him as such in this article while linking to his article still seems weird to me. I think the reason is that it creates creates a poorly supported relationship between "Ukrainian," "Nazi," and "war criminal" with respect to the present war. Since there are allegations that Ukrainians are Nazis and war criminals I understand how that might be important to mention.

I think that maybe it boils down to 2 questions:

1) What aspects, if any, of Roman Shukhevych did the burned museum celebrate?

2) Does the existence of the museum point to a general trend of Nazism and war crimes among present-day Ukrainians, or even celebration of past Nazism and past war crimes by present-day Ukrainians?

The most detailed description of the content of the museum that I have found is:

"Each hall was dedicated to a different topic: the history of the Shukhevych family, the family's struggle for the national idea, documents and records of the cornet general, and the birth of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army."

That points to the political content of the museum being focused on Ukrainian nationalism. I do not see any hint of celebration of either Nazi collaboration or war crimes there. Given this, it seems the answer to questions 2 is no: the burned museum is not evidence of sympathy toward Nazism or war crimes in Ukraine today.

But, I now understand why the existence of the museum smells a little fishy. So, maybe to encourage the reader to explore further, without falsely painting present Ukrainians as Nazi collaborators and war criminals this wording could be used:

"A museum in Lviv at the former headquarters of controversial Ukrainian nationalist Roman Shukhevych was burned by a Russian drone." Uhoj (talk) 16:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Inclined to agree with this idea. Borgenland (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Or how about controversial Ukrainian historical figure as the most sober description of him? No one surely will disagree that he is both controversial, Ukrainian, and a historical figure. Borgenland (talk) 01:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Thanks for putting some more thought into it Borgenland. Uhoj (talk) 15:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and there you have a rather reliable Rzeczpospolita newspaper article about today's strike. Note the fragment:

PL: Szuchewycz, jako dowódca UPA, jest bezpośrednio odpowiedzialny za zbrodnie na Polakach dokonywane przez Ukraińską Powstańczą Armię w czasie rzezi wołyńskiej.

EN: Shukhevych, as the commander of the UPA, is directly responsible for the crimes against Poles committed by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during the Volhynia massacre.

85.193.204.141 (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. The term "war criminal" also would likely go against MOS:LABEL. Shadow311 (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 January 2024

As for the events of Jan 1, 2024, it is written that

A museum about Ukrainian nationalist, Nazi collaborator, and war criminal Roman Shukhevych in Lviv was set on fire by a Russian drone.[158] with the link to https://kyivindependent.com/drone-strike-in-lviv-leaves-museum-on-fire/ (here - [158]).

In the cited source it's never mentioned that Roman Shukhevych was a "war criminal". Moreover, there is no judicial decision whatsoever anywhere in the world that would prove that he was found guilty of the war crimes. That being said, adding the words "war criminal" next to his name is speculative, opinionated, and does not go along with Wikipedia being the fact-based encyclopedia. The allegations about him being a war criminal are the result of a very meticulously performed propaganda by Soviet authorities that began in the 1960s, as they [authorities] saw in the Ukrainian nationalist movement a threat. This can be fact-checked here: https://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2023/11/6/163319/ - in the article by Olesia Isayuk, PhD, a historian and a research associate of the Liberation Movement Research Center and the National Memorial Museum "Prison on Lontskyi".

That's why I request a removal of the words "war criminal" as being opinion-driven, propaganda-driven, and speculative. T-martyniuk25 (talk) 11:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Please see the thread above. This particular incident is appearing to become quite tricky, though personally I wouldn't mind making the revision for as long as there is consensus. Borgenland (talk) 12:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

However, another source which I mentioned, directly states that he was responsible for genocide of Poles in what is now western Ukraine. Rzeczpospolita is definitely not a fringe, alt-right or heavily nationalist newspaper. I cannot add it to article because I don't have a confirmed Wikipedia account.

There are also other articles from notable sources mentioning this airstrike and Shukhevych crimes: Polish Press Agency (the same article in Ukrainian), RMF24 radio.

Fact is, at one point Ukraine stood on the very wrong side of history. After 2022 they've decided to rapidly rid themselves from Soviet and Russian influences - good job! Too bad that some people (and apparently it's not some tiny, fringe ultranationalist minority) try to build a new-old national identity based on people who were literal nazis (and officer rank at that!). Stuff like this museum isn't helping their cause. Pretending it doesn't exist or that he was just "fighting for freedom" only fuels anti-ukrainian sentiment in Poland and other states.

85.193.204.141 (talk) 16:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Shadow311 (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 January 2024 (2)

In the "Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine" box at the top please change:

Second winter campaign

to something more like:

2024 winter campaigns

or

Russian offensive

or

2024 offensives

Because "Second winter campaign" is confusingly the title of an article related to Ukraine, but about a long-ago event. When the description "Second winter campaign" was added a few days ago I remembered that as the title of the new split article. So when I wanted to find the latest section of the timeline the next time that I visited Wikipedia I searched for that phrase. I arrived at the article with the title "Second winter campaign" and was very confused for a bit because it has little to do with current events, but does concern a war in Ukraine. Uhoj (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

It personally feels like another stalemate. No objections to winter. Borgenland (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Same here. Then maybe "Third stalemate" or "2024 winter stalemate" or "Winter stalemate." Uhoj (talk) 17:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I’ll try and change it, though there is no guarantee a revert could happen and warrant further discussion. Borgenland (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Upon checking, it appears you should raise this concern at the Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine’s talk page instead since that is the home article for the timeline box. Borgenland (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it Borgenland! I kind of knew this wasn't the right place to bring it up, but I couldn't figure out the origin of the box. Uhoj (talk) 18:18, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now:

Moved to Template talk:Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Aaron Liu (talk) 14:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

North Korea

North Korea is supplying Russia with ballistic missiles in exchange for military technology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Non-event. The deployment was probably days ago. This better fits a long-term analysis article. Borgenland (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

References

DoD Inspector General Report summary

The current wording is unclear and could be taken to mean that the DoD attempted to locate these assets, but was unable to because they were stolen, misused, or lost. The author of the Axios story that is currently referenced was apparently aware of the potential for misinterpretation and wrote:

"Of note: Although the report does not suggest any of the weapons had been improperly diverted or misused, it states that evaluating whether weapons had been diverted was beyond the inspector general's scope."

The Task and Purpose article says:

“There remains no credible evidence of illicit diversion of U.S.-provided advanced conventional weapons from Ukraine,” Ryder said. “We do see some instances of Russia continuing to spread disinformation to the contrary, but the fact is, as we observe the Ukrainians employing these capabilities on the battlefield, we’re seeing them use them effectively.”

And the report itself specifically says "It was beyond the scope of our evaluation to determine whether there has been diversion of such assistance."

A clearer summary of the report might be:

A US Department of Defense Office of Inspector General report found that the Pentagon is delinquent in maintaining inventory on $1 billion worth of weapons sent to Ukraine.

Thanks for considering this potential change. Uhoj (talk) 23:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Just made a clarification about the lack of evidence of diversion. Borgenland (talk)| Borgenland (talk) 02:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland Much appreciated! Uhoj (talk) 03:50, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

The latest version could now be read to mean that the property that's unaccounted for was diverted or stolen, but that investigation of this theft was simply outside the scope of the particular report being cited and will be revealed in a follow-on report. Maybe.

But at this time there seems to be a complete lack of evidence for diversion. Going back to what I quoted above from the Pentagon spokesman:

“There remains no credible evidence of illicit diversion of U.S.-provided advanced conventional weapons from Ukraine,” Ryder said. “We do see some instances of Russia continuing to spread disinformation to the contrary, but the fact is, as we observe the Ukrainians employing these capabilities on the battlefield, we’re seeing them use them effectively.”

@User:RopeTricks doesn't this literally mean that at this time "there's no evidence." Or did I miss something in the references pointing out some evidence?

What the report actually says is that the U.S. Government is behind schedule on auditing the disposition of some weaponry sent to Ukraine. That is all the report itself says and that's all I see in the secondary references.

That's why I previously suggested that this be changed to:

A US Department of Defense Office of Inspector General report found that the Pentagon is delinquent in maintaining inventory on $1 billion worth of weapons sent to Ukraine. Uhoj (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I consider saying "no evidence" could be read to mean there could not be any in existence, which I personally find potentially more misleading than the alternative.

As a compromise I'll just reword it to mention "no evidence" as indeed no evidence of specifically diversion or theft were found in this specific IG report. But it is important global readers understand there was no evidence presented because it was not within the scope of the examination, as stated within the sources.

The whole point I added the entry is because the poor accounting, not to imply or ensenuate there was any diversion or theft, which I thought the text of my original entry was good and balanced enough to neutrally convey. But apparently it was still "unclear" to some of you. RopeTricks (talk) 03:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@RopeTricks Thanks for replying instantly and editing the article to balance out the various potential misinterpretations. Uhoj (talk) 20:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Global state of affairs

With regards to a large NATO exercise to soon take place in Eastern Europe, the UK stated that with the current world situation, war could possibly break out between the West and Russia/Iran/China/North Korea within the next 5 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

We don’t deal with speculative matters here. Borgenland (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Maybe not okay

"US imposed sanctions on the shipping form Hennesea Holdings Limited for violating". Typo? Link to Shipping form? 2001:2020:323:C967:554C:CA53:546:7877 (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Borgenland (talk) 13:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Jan 22 On the Territories of the Russian Federation Historically Inhabited by Ukrainians

It may be worth clarifying that Zelensky’s decree does not establish any territorial demands upon Russia. See [1] Uhoj (talk) 02:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Borgenland (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland Thank you! Uhoj (talk) 11:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Boats, inflatable

Please link "Zodiac" to Zodiac Nautic. 80.67.37.2 (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

According to the source, the boats are from Zodiac Hurricane Technologies, a Canadian company. – Primium (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems there is a mistake

Can't update the article but there is mention of "Darya Dugina" as being imprisoned for 27 years. Russian authorities may be kind of crazy but I guess not to the point of imprisoning a dead person... The correct name is "Darya Yevgenyevna Trepova"... 2A02:2788:1028:8D5:D5A4:2A1E:9FCD:7FD7 (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

In the news

The outgoing Chief of the General Staff (CGS), General Sir Patrick Sanders stated that Britain should "train and equip" a "citizen army" to ready the country for a potential land war. He also said that even that would "not be enough" as he pointed to allies in eastern and norther Europe "laying the foundations for national mobilisation". In a speech, the British military top brass said increasing army numbers in preparation for a potential conflict would need to be a "whole-of-nation undertaking". The comments, first reported by the Daily Telegraph are being read as a warning that British citizens should be ready for a call-up to the armed forces if NATO goes to war with Russia.

It comes after Defence Secretary Grant Shapps in a speech said the world is "moving from a post-war to a pre-war world" and the United Kingdom must ensure its "entire defence ecosystem is ready" to defend its homeland.

These comments made by Sir Patrick during a speech at the International Armoured Vehicles Conference in West London, was not the first time he pushed for greater readiness of Britain's armed forces for war. Speaking in 2022 in the months after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Army Chief said "this is our 1937 moment" - a reference to preparations made for the start of the Second World War - and that the British Army should be at high readiness". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

References

EU

The European Union pledged to increase the amount of support given to Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Vladimir Putin informed the western media that he had no plans or intentions to invade Poland or the Baltic States. He also questioned as to why the West was helping Ukraine as he stated that Russia would never be defeated. Yet curiously he failed to mention that Russia was once defeated in the past by Britain, France and Turkey during the First Crimean War that was fought over 150 years ago. He also failed to mention that Russia was also defeated by Japan during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. Furthermore, Russia was also forced to withdraw from Afghanistan just before the collapse of the Soviet Union — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

References

The European Union pledged that it will never surrender or abandon Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 10:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Alleged disagreements between Zelenskyi and Zaluzhnyi

In the article's "February 8th" info, there is a sentence that claims that Zaluzhnyi was replaced by Syrskyi because of growing disagreements between the President and the Commander-in-Chief. I think it is an opinion, not a fact: in the cited source there are only mentions of alleged(!) disagreements and opinion polls of Ukrainians: NO comments or approvals or confirmations from any party or reliable representative that there were any disagreements, or that they were the reason for parting ways.

Moreover, when awarded with "Hero of Ukraine" award, the two men hugged multiple times in a quite informal manner - as much as could be allowed during an official ceremony .

Bottomline: presenting those "gossip disagreements" as a 100% fact is not in the spirit of Wikipedia. Opinions and gossip can't be facts in the encyclopedia.

Please add something that would indicate the gossip nature of that implication. T-martyniuk25 (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Dear @Borgenland, referring to your comment a while ago to someone else's post:

"We don’t deal with speculative matters here. Borgenland (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)"

I would kindly ask you to review the speculations about the alleged disagreements in this wikipedia page.

Those were indeed the rumours flamed just for the click-bait, and they faded in a few days. T-martyniuk25 (talk) 14:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I made that comment I was generally referring to predictions about the future of the war, not in trying to find reasons for events that had happened. Personally I think such vague reasons for the dismissal are better placed in articles about the person. This Timeline normally provides a reason for such events if it is clearly stated but in this case I’d like other editors to this page for their opinion too. Borgenland (talk) 14:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

References

NATO

In view of the continuing situation of the war, at least 18 NATO countries have decided to increase their military budgets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 12:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

References

A total of 90,000 troops from 31 NATO countries are taking part in Exercise Steadfast Defender 2024 (22/01/2024 - 31/05/2024). Its purpose - due to the continuing war between Russia and Ukraine - will be to demonstrate NATO's ability to deploy forces rapidly from North America and other parts of the Alliance to reinforce the defence of NATO countries in Europe over a period of several months across millions of square kilometres. Exercise Steadfast Defender 2024 will be the largest NATO military exercise undertaken since the Cold War.

At a conference, Vladimir Putin warned the West not to deploy NATO personnel to Ukraine as this could lead to nuclear war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

NATO already deployed in Ukraine

A Spanish ex-army general confirmed on Spanish television that non-combatant (eg advisors, intelligence, engineers, transport, medical) NATO troops are in Ukraine and have been for some time, possibly since the start of the war.

Brussels

At a NATO summit of foreign ministers in Brussels, Lord Cameron recommended that in view of the continuing war in Ukraine, member countries should contribute at least two percent of their GDP (Gross Domestic Product) towards defence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Space

Russia is planning to send an armed anti-satellite device into orbit, presumably to destroy or at least cripple Elon Musk's SpaceX Starlink satellite internet system which is vital to Ukraine.

References

Alexei Navalny

Russian dissident Alexei Navalny died in a Siberian prison under suspicious circumstances. The West blames Putin for the death.

References

Ukraine shot jets

Are we sure that this really happened? from 17feb to 19feb total 6 su34/35's shot down. This is a serious spike in Ukrainian shooting down Russian jets. Either Ukraine really started to expend those patriots or this is something to make some feel better after the loss of Avdiivka. This webpage is pro-ukrainian enough already, with everything ukrainian said as "ukraine said this happened" or just "this happened", while things russia says "russia claimed". I am just concerned about reliability of these news. Would be better to have more balanced and more reliable info. Dian Nikolow (talk) 13:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

See, e.g., ISW search on the topic (su-34 su-35); "Sort by: Date" ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 13:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit request 16 Feburary

> Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed that a group of Ukrainian and Belarusian saboteurs were caught with explosives on the border with Ukraine as part of plans commit acts of sabotage in Russia and Belarus.

Shouldn't it be changed to "As part of plans to commit acts of sabotage?"

New: Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed that a group of Ukrainian and Belarusian saboteurs were caught with explosives on the border with Ukraine as part of plans to commit acts of sabotage in Russia and Belarus. Sharrdx (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Borgenland (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

European arms initiative request

Can someone create article about European arms initiative, mentioned in February section of this article? For unknown reasons, cant create that article and it can be important for future of conflict.--178.255.168.45 (talk) 15:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

So, anyone who will try to do this article? It can be Czech arms initiative, or European arms initiative. What do you think? 178.255.168.45 (talk) 14:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it's best if you discuss this in the main Russian invasion of Ukraine article since this is just a summary of events that happened and also since there more editors there. Borgenland (talk) 16:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Just update, first ammunition will soon arrive according minister Kuleba. https://www.novinky.cz/clanek/zahranicni-evropa-munice-od-cechu-uz-je-na-ceste-raduje-se-kuleba-40464048#dop_ab_variant=0&dop_source_zone_name=novinky.sznhp.box&source=hp&seq_no=1&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=z-boxiku&utm_source=www.seznam.cz--178.255.168.45 (talk) Annother source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/13/ukraine-russia-war-czech-artillery-155mm-shells-avdiivka/ 13:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

C/e needed

" saying that it the conversation had been intercepted". 2001:2020:313:976D:8CB1:DCEA:DC16:4CDB (talk) 23:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Borgenland (talk) 04:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Odessa

If the Russian missile attack had caused the death of the Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis who was visiting the city with President Zelensky at the time (The Washington Post newspaper), then Greece would have been perfectly and legally entitled to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Treaty. There exists a historical precedent:- When Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in 1914, this incident sparked off the First World War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 08:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Come on, in the beginning of 1970s i learned and performed by heart a poem by Lord Alfred Tennyson (Tears, Idle Tears), to learn,... in current decade..., that four lines were omitted...
and, provided that a president/prime minister of Zubumbia would come under attack during her/his, say 9th visit to Mars/Neptunium or where-ever, would this/it mean that the following days of our existence are doomed...fog..., and FTA channels continuously amplifying it... ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 02:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

And, looking at 195.244.210.117 deeds, why it/this kind of behavior is welcomed? (and, should i turn off FTA bbc in my corner, going GrEEn) ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 02:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Sweden

Sweden officially became a member of NATO on 07/03/2024. The original cause of this was due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 07:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2024

12 March

The Freedom of Russia Legion and the Sibir Battalion launched a cross-border incursion to The Freedom of Russia Legion and the Sibir Battalion launched a cross-border incursion Von bismarck (talk) 23:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: per MOS:OLINK. M.Bitton (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Putin reelection

@Borgenland We're saying that Putin won with 87% of the vote, but the reference says "Russia's Putin hails victory in election criticised as illegitimate" which is a pretty different message. Maybe we should either remove the emphasis on 87% or find some solid references rebutting the criticisms of illegetimacy. Uhoj (talk) 13:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Probably be better to expand on that. Though I think most of the fraud claims are better mentioned in the election article and the most significant part of this in relation to Ukraine is that it was the first presidential elections in occupied mainland Ukraine. Borgenland (talk) 13:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

reminds me of the 1970s in the USSR — e.g., all the staff in a hospital, at 23:59 of the election day, was very busy counting the voters, meaning, who is alive and who is dead; the latter was deemed... ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 02:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

How accurate do you think the election results were, or if they were completely faked? ShibaInuvation (talk) 18:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

why is putin called "mr putin"

so is ergodan, its weird Epic.Rap.Battles.ofhistoryfan42 (talk) 22:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

A copy paste of the article. I removed it though because it was nothing but a Putin rant and the editor who inserted it had previously insisted on removing mention of Putin’s reelection. Borgenland (talk) 23:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Putin was included (by me) in connection with the 10th anniversary of the annexation off Crimea... ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 01:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

And,

kind of tired of encountering refs by IP Nos like <ref>My grandfather said</ref>... ☆☆☆—Pietadè^Talk 02:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I've never seen those, or maybe they just get deleted very quickly...Sadustu Tau (talk) 12:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Rename

I think the article should be renamed and should be divided in Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2024). It is better because of interwiki too.

About title

Isn't winter over yet, here we are in April. Asigooo (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

true Hyacinthmacaw22 (talk) 09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The Addition of "Alledges"

Many claims of border saboteurs being confronted have been added (such as one on April 15th) with no backing evidence other than "Ukraine said they intercepted a sabotage group" and a link to the Kiev Independent, which links to a Telegram channel.

Unless the claim of a saboteur group being intercepted is backed up with evidence, should it not be "Ukraine alleges border guards intercepted a Russian sabotage group..." rather than stating it as a matter of fact? Vilo2023 (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

On 13 Apr: Cold shutdown at ZNPP

The article says "The IAEA reported that the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant had been placed in a state of cold shutdown for the first time since October 2022."

This is somewhat misleading. It should be noted that all but one reactors had been in cold shutdown months before; only one reactor had been kept in hot shutdown. 2003:D3:8722:5D00:ABC6:CBB6:94FB:B60B (talk) 14:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Spain

The Spanish government has decided to increase its military budget with emphasis placed on anti-drone measures. Refs:

• Television Espanola Spanish national state-owned public television channel; 19/04/2024
• Canal 24 Horas (Spanish TV channel); 19/04/2024
• LaSexta privately owned Spanish free-to-air television channel; 19/04/2024

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 08:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Time to split?

Might be time to split again, as the article is now over 400kb and approaching 1000 refs. Not sure if there have been any major events we could cut the article at, but I would otherwise go for 1 April. – Primium (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Borgenland (talk) 17:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

As there has been no opposition to the proposal, I will commence the split. – Primium (talk) 16:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Unprepared Diplomatic Error Peace Disruptions

Hi,The earlier attack of Ukraine Tanks is for Russia foolishness to disrupt diplomatic global victory of the peaceful world at large and this build now a intentionally genocide attack to Ukraine those where not prepared to die.May Russians Devote Putin as the President before his mental illness grew bigger to weaken his powers of cancer that his struggling with,so this guy he'll suffer this circumstances ongoing with his colonial speechless events,yes of cause he must fall from the seats he occupied since it's voters rights to take decisions with votes of no confidence against him.Amooketsi a proudly Ukraine supporter and sponsor to Donor in anyhow to whom,where disasters may occure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.191.172 (talk) 13:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)