Talk:Thirty-first Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland

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The result of the move request was: moved to Irish children's rights referendum, 2012. DrKiernan (talk) 12:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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Irish constitutional referendum, November 2012 → Children's rights referendum, 2012 – I propose to rename this article to "Children's rights referendum, 2012". I believe this reflects the current common name of the referendum used in the media and the Irish population at large. User:Number 57 moved the article here (twice) non the basis of a naming convention which IMHO doesn't exist.

When passed the convention is that Irish constitutional referendums are named after the effected amendment when passed or after the bill when they fail to pass. The last referendum in Ireland was called the Irish European Fiscal Compact referendum, 2012 before it was moved to Thirtieth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland (it passed). As such if there is any naming convention it is to use its common name during the campaign.

The current name is unnecessarily obscure and gives the reader little idea about what the referendum is about. — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 21:09, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

• Number 57 may have been right. Category:Referendums in the Republic of Ireland essentially all have obscure titles. However, most of them seem to deal with a suite of referenda in a given year; perhaps this question is sufficiently different to merit a break from convention. But I'm leaning toward an oppose here. --BDD (talk) 23:51, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The formula "Irish constitutional referendums, 1998" is use when there were multiple referendums held on the same day, but there individual articles for each referendum. Even following the norm this article would be entitled Thirty-First Amendment of the Constitution (Children) Bill 2012, but that would ignore wp:commonname. — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 09:31, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - Not being from "X" (fill in the blank with any country, in this case Ireland) - "Children's rights referendum, 2012" or any title that does not include the country means absolutely nothing to me. I might know about the 6 Michigan constitutional amendments on their next ballot only because we get Detroit TV Stations in some places in Canada, but other wise, what does the title: "THE PEOPLE SHOULD DECIDE" mean to anyone outside of Michigan?--MrBoire (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose The current title is the standard naming format for referendum articles - i.e. Fooian type referendum, XXXX (see Category:2012 referendums for other examples). Irish children's rights referendum, 2012 might be acceptable, but as it involves altering the constitution, this is also an appropriate title. If it passes the article will be moved anyway (the previous referendum this year was titled "Irish European Fiscal Compact referendum, 2012" until it was passed and became a constitutional amendment). Number 57 11:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Can we all agree on Irish children's rights referendum, 2012 then? — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 12:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support Irish children's rights referendum, 2012. Snappy (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Recent moves

As explained in the lead this amendment has yet to be signed and accordingly hasn't come into force yet. On reflection I was wrong to argue that this article should be at "Children's rights referendum, 2012" as there are issues of bias concerning that name. Sticking with the official short title of the bill is probably the best and easiest thing to do. — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 20:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Could users please refrain from moving this article until the court case has been held? It has been approved by the voters but until the Oireachtas (Parliament) approves it then it is still a bill. If the court rules the vote was unconstitutional then the bill will fail and it will never be an amendment to the constitution. Also if it is approved then the correct tile, as per the previous 30 amendments is the Thirty-First Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. Rgds, Snappy (talk) 16:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Title of article is now outdated

Why does the title of the article call this law a Bill when it is now an Act? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.83.77.80 (talk) 10:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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