Talk:TVO

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I thought there was a Wikipedia policy on using official callsigns as the title of articles, rather than the common name. Mjlarochelle 05:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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History of Logo's for TVOntario

It appears the "History of Logo's for TVOntario" section is missing or links are invalid for the pictures. Medic48 22:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

TVO second oldest UHF TV channel in Canada

CityTV is the third oldest. But which is the oldest in Canada? Does anyone know? I can't find any info on this, but would really like to know.70.49.163.133 20:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

There were a pair of repeaters for a Rimouski-based Radio-Canada station which were on-air in the 1960's on channel 70 and channel 75. These may well predate CITY-TV (1972) although they originated nothing and in any case have long since been replaced by a Rivière du Loup station either directly or on a repeater on a lower UHF channel. No idea why these frequencies were used; while it was common practice stateside to use 70-83 just for repeaters, it's unlikely that Gaspésie / Bas St. Laurent would be short of suitable vacant channels on any of the lower bands. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 05:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

In any case, the claim that "TVO is Canada's oldest educational television service. It established the country's first UHF TV channel in 1970 at Toronto." should be revised (or at least qualified somehow) if the licenses for the two Rimouski-station repeaters were issued in the 1950's. Admittedly the channel 70/75 repeaters originate nothing locally, but they were still UHF channels. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 16:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Transmitter Coordinates

I like that GPS coordinates are given for the transmitter locations (makes aiming beam antennae easier, assuming your rotor controller is calibrated), but wouldn't decimal coordinates be better?
i.e. to lose the 'special' characters and make the locations easier to copy and paste into Google Earth, et al.
e.g. If you input 42°9′12″N 82°57′11″W into Google Earth, the actual location for the CICO-DT-32 transmitter is off by about 350m... if you instead copy/paste 42.153400, -82.953000 into Google Earth's Search field and hit Enter, it should take you to the correct location (note the shadow of the tower, and the triangle of guy-wire anchor points). Anyone near Windsor with a Garmin that could see which of those coordinate sets is more accurate?  :) Darr247 (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Logo "cut-off" styling

Logo style is not exclusively cut-off at bottom anymore. Their advertising (bus stops, billboards) and facebook/twitter page all show full logos. https://www.facebook.com/TVO/?fref=ts https://twitter.com/tvo etc. CoolCanuck ^eh? 06:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

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TVO is not only an Ontario broadcaster

The opening sentence is not accurate: "TVOntario (often shortened to TVO and stylized on-air as tvo) is a Canadian publicly funded English language educational television station and media organization serving the Canadian province of Ontario."

While TVO is primarily funded by the Ontario government, it is also a charitable organization supported by donors across the province. TVO has also evolved from a publicly funded "broadcaster" to a digital media organization and extension of Ontario's public education system offering a variety of educational products.

Suggested edit:

"As the technological extension of Ontario’s public education system, TVO provides learning opportunities for Ontarians through educational products, current affairs, documentaries, and children's resources. TVO is funded primarily by the Province of Ontario and is a registered charity supported by sponsors and donors." Source: https://tvo.org/about

New to Wikipedia so please forgive me if I've missed a step in the protocol for edit requests.

( Fifth Floor (talk) 17:52, 16 February 2018 (UTC) )

Organization name

The title of the organization, which also forms the title of the article, is outdated. "TVOntario" has not been in use since the 1990s. When search engines and other platforms cite Wikipedia, the organization is misrepresented across the web, such as in Google and Bing knowledge panels. What would be the best way to change, and accurately reflect, the current name of the organization? Earlbak (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Sammi Brie: What's your take? Mvcg66b3r (talk) 20:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for looking at this. Here's how the organization is currently structured: TVO Media Education Group as the main umbrella with four main pillars - TVO Today, TVOkids, TVO Learn, and TVO ILC This is reflected at https://tvo.me/ Earlbak (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

  • @Earlbak: I'm wading my way through this mess. (Before I go further, if you work for TVO, go read our conflict of interest policy.) Let me explain some of our policies and guidelines.
    • The page at TVO is a disambiguation page to accommodate searches for a variety of topics. An article may be disambiguated in title when it is not the primary topic for the term by pageviews (or long-term significance, but that's not the issue here). TVOntario has 3,288 page views in the last 30 days. TV Osaka has 1,748. Televisora de Oriente has 18. All the other pages linked are acronyms. The disambiguation page could be moved to TVO (disambiguation).
    • We like natural disambiguation in titles where possible, which might be why there hasn't been a notice about this.
    • We "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)" (WP:COMMONNAME).
      • The last CRTC licence renewal, Broadcasting Decision 2015-405, uses the name TVO exclusively. The 2008 renewal used TVOntario as shorthand for the OECA.
      • I looked in ProQuest at recent article usages of "TVO" and "TVOntario", particularly in Toronto's major newspapers. There were 16 uses of "TVOntario" in articles indexed by ProQuest in Canada in 2022, including two shown below, and 482 (some duplicated) for TVO in 2022:
        • "Basic cable cost could jump 12%: Regulator wants Canadians to weigh in on request to increase price from $25 to $28 per month", Toronto Star, November 28, 2022: provincial and educational stations such as TVOntario
        • "Steve Paikin explores John Turner in new biography", The Globe and Mail, October 19, 2022: But with John Turner: An Intimate Biography of Canada’s 17th Prime Minister, Steve Paikin corrects that record. The veteran host of TVOntario’s The Agenda has given us an insightful portrait
        • "From BBC to TVO; Ottawa director comes home with Great Lakes series", The Ottawa Citizen, September 24, 2022 (only TVO)
        • "Coming clean on addition; TVO documentary goes behind the scenes at treatment centre", Toronto Sun, January 24, 2022 (only TVO)

• My impression is that there is a reasonable chance that the Canadian service TVO is the primary topic for the title. It seems usage has shifted mostly, though not entirely, to using TVO. (It is not unheard of Wikipedia's errors to perpetuate others; I dealt with this last year in the RM at Talk:Saint Peter's Peacocks.) I am going to open a Requested moves (RM) discussion to gain community consensus. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Thank you for highlighting the COI policy, as I was unaware of it. I would like to disclose that I do work for TVO, and will refrain from editing this article directly, but will continue to contribute to the discussion. Earlbak (talk) 14:17, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 5 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 03:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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• TVOntario → TVO
• TVO → TVO (disambiguation)

– This RM is the result of a concern from an editor, User:Earlbak, that the service was no longer known as TVOntario in any context, causing an outdated name to be perpetuated in Knowledge Graph, etc. (See above section.) News sources in Canada are mixed but show an inclination for TVO with some exceptions; note that sometimes Wikipedia keeping an old name keeps it around in the press. Since at least 2006, the TV channel has been known as TVO in legal documents with the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, and while TVOntario seemed to persist as a shorthand name for its parent, this was not the case the last time the CRTC renewed its licence in 2015. Pageviews for TVOntario are just under double that of TV Osaka, the next most-viewed television topic of those linked at TVO. No other topics are known as TVO directly (usually an acronym for something else), so it may be a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Opening this to RM to at least gather additional feedback. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Television has been notified of this discussion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:20, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Canada has been notified of this discussion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:21, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support a move to TVO for the reasons you stated. Dan Carkner (talk) 23:31, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support as the reasons make sense
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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.