Talk:SureFire

Reduced the marketing tone

Article had too much marketing tone, not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Reduced it while keeping the essential facts. Any questions or issues, please discuss here. Joema 04:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Surefire fans tend to be a bit fanatical; it isn't surprising if it comes across as a bit like advertising. Heck, I was the one who first made that huge table for this page. Teque5 (talk) 22:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

• For future reference it looks like the person who added all the ad-like lingo is user:Nfalawyer, but apparently he doesn't exist anymore. Teque5 (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

This article should have a infobox...

SureFire

Headquarters	California?
Products	Flashlights
Website	www.surefire.com

Name

Isnt it SureFire, not Surefire? Their website make references to SureFire...

Yes, you're right. The website spells the name in CamelCase, as SureFire. --The Chairman 10:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved it. --The Chairman 06:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

New Models

6PDL, 6PN, 9PL, C2L, E2DL, G2ZL, G3L, UA2 Optimus, UB2 Invictus and Z2L

Id add them to the table myself but id probably screw it up.

Done. Added more from the 2009 catalogs. Just waiting for the pricing and the final specs for the ARC lights. Black Sabre (talk) 10:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

wales.

lovely jimbo wales worship. are we quoting him as an authority on optics or photonics, or because some fanboys let their bias creep into their work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.80.160 (talk) 23:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Pricing

Not to be a spoil-sport, but maybe some pricing info is called for? Legitimus (talk) 01:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've added prices. oooh, sticker shock. Legitimus (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

More Products?

Should the Weaponlights, Helmetlight and Hellfighter specs be added to the list? Because they are not exactly flashlights. Black Sabre (talk) 09:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Cold splash of objectivity

I know there are a lot of devoted Surefire fans out there, particularly who edit this article. But isn't it in the interest of objective reporting to mention some drawbacks to the flashlight line? Nothing harsh or earth-shattering, but I feel it is worth mention these two common complaints:

1. That the majority use CR123A batteries (the others being rechargeable), which are usually costly unless mail-ordered through certain channels and are quite difficult to find outside of gun stores and certain electronics stores. That is, as opposed to a AA which can be found at a gas station 30 miles outside of Grass Range, Montana for a buck or two when you're on a long trip.
2. That most (not all, but most) models cost in excess of $100. For a flash light.

Not trying to be jerk, but think readers aught to know.Legitimus (talk) 20:06, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Flashlight people are...special. When you've spent $100-$200 for some jewel-like piece of mil-spec anodized aluminum, you don't mind shelling out $10 for batteries every couple of hours. And you can't get CR-123s at the Co-Op gas bar in Tisdale, Saskatchewan yet, either...though I bet at least one local store has 'em. At least one local retailer has CR123's at $5 in single quantities, which is only about double what you'd pay for two AAs of similar capacity from a grocery store bulk pack. But you're not buying light, you're buying a life-style choice. Live like Jimbo Wales! --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Having recently bought a Fenix, I must say I now fully understand the "prized possession" designation applied to Jimmy Wales's SureFire M6 Guardian. These things are "a flashlight" like a Porsche 911 is "a car". They make lesser lights (pun intended) look like candles. Once you go CREE, there's nothing else to see. -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 23:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

A wiki article is not supposed to list the pros and cons. It's supposed to list objective facts. If the article gives the impression of being a gushing fan's viewpoints it should be edited to remove the subjective views, not have a bunch of counterpoints added to it. I'm a Surefire fan myself and I own about a dozen of their lights but I'm not gonna be sat making their Wikipedia article look like the gospel, or the other way around. --Joffeloff (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

CR123

Don't know about your area, but London Drugs carries CR123s, as well as a bunch of other mass retailers (Cabeleas, Mountain Equipment Co-Op) - they are perhaps not on the peg-board at gas stations, but still pretty common. I'm pretty sure I've seen them at Wal-Mart and Extra Foods, as well; I'll have to look next time I'm grocery shopping. They are not as rare as the former reference to batteries for cryptography hardware seemed to make them. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Down here in the Eastern US at least, no you don't find them at most stores. You do find them at most stores that sell electronics, and ones that supply firearms. I don't recall seeing them at Walmarts around here but I might have just missed them.

So...guess that means this might be more of a regional thing.Legitimus (talk) 00:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

That's surprising - when I look at what, say, a Target store in Fargo stocks compared with a Zellers in Winnipeg, I see a lot more stuff. Hard to believe that the land of cheese in aerosol cans doesn't have a better selection of batteries in the stores than my local retailers. Camera stores would be the next place to look, I suppose, though I don't know which cameras use CR123. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The other night I found them, not just in the electronics department at Wal-Mart, but in the line-up for the cash registers. Any battery you can get at Wal-Mart I refuse to consider the least bit exotic; and I don't believe any Wal-Mart in the US has fewer SKUs on the shelf than my friendly local Transcona store. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)