Talk:Space Invaders Extreme
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Excessive copywrited materials stuff edit
Is the person who put that up suggesting that the screenshots be removed? I'll chop it down to one and remove the 'gallery' and then the excessive tag. Hopefully no one will have a problem with that. --Thaddius (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why any of them should be removed as they are freely available screenshots. --Gaunt (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Oh. Well I've already changed it. You can revert it if you feel like it. I thought the non-free tag was there for a reason. My bad. --Thaddius (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well, now that that's settled... I kept two images on the page, one for the DS version and one for the PSP version, which will hopefully illustrate the differences between the two as mentioned in the article and not really be considered 'excessive'. Thanks Kariteh. --Thaddius (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
PSP Boxart edit
Please leave the PSP Boxart on the page. If you have any problems, comment here. LuGiADude (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry but this is against the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Only one cover art is tolerated to identify the game. It's not something that can be debated unfortunately. Kariteh (talk) 13:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough. In which case I will submit the PSP cover to be used as the main cover. There's no problem with that, right, as Wikipedia is completely unbiased. LuGiADude (talk) 22:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- What you're really saying is that you want the PSP boxart displayed because you think that the use of the DS boxart means that the article is slightly biased against the PSP version, correct? By that argument you could say that Wiki articles that use the boxart for, say, the PC version of a game is then biased against the XBox 360 version, which is patently ridiculous, and it would be impractical to display the boxart for multiple releases. The DS boxart was the one first displayed - I know, I created this article back in February (although at that time only the Japanese DS boxart was available but was later replaced with the US version). And it will remain that way, so please show a little maturity and stop changing it (I see from your own discussion page that you have been reprimanded before for getting into edit wars: [1]. --Gaunt (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, no, it's not the DS boxart showing a bias, it is clearly the content in the article. However, I will not change the boxart back, but have added a SINGLE LINE to show that the PSP version does have advantages too ¬.¬. LuGiADude (talk) 12:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Any particular reason the information about the PSP's better audio quality constantly gets removed? I think I know, I have both versions and it's obvious to tell the difference. LuGiADude (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, because various reviews say that the sound is better implemented on the DS version, even though the PSP has better sound hardware. I've played both versions and the DS sound with this game is definitely better to my ears. Of course, whether the sound in a game on different platforms is 'good' or 'bad' can be very subjective, so it's best not to mention it as we all have a different opinion and Wikipedia isn't a review site. Let's just stick to the known facts, such as the resolution on the PSP being a bit higher, the DS version having better multi-player support, etc. --Gaunt (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- I hope this fixes the boxart issue - this time around, the boxart has no bias, and makes no mention of either PSP or DS. I know that the image is BASED on the PSP box art, but only due to convenience - the DS boxart's side-logo is curved, so the image would look odd. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- There is nothing to 'fix' - it was fine as it was and didn't need changing.--Gaunt (talk) 22:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- Except that there's a dispute. This image has zero problems, the only dispute is that "OMG I want DS boxart!" It doesn't even MATTER. This image seeks to reduce conflict, so at what point do we need there to be the DS logo on the side of the box art? - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- You do what you like. I wash my hands of the matter.--Gaunt (talk) 23:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- To hopefully bring a peaceful resolution to this, an article is usually supposed to use an image that has no indicator of platform on it (if it's multiplatform). - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- You do what you like. I wash my hands of the matter.--Gaunt (talk) 23:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- Except that there's a dispute. This image has zero problems, the only dispute is that "OMG I want DS boxart!" It doesn't even MATTER. This image seeks to reduce conflict, so at what point do we need there to be the DS logo on the side of the box art? - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- There is nothing to 'fix' - it was fine as it was and didn't need changing.--Gaunt (talk) 22:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- I hope this fixes the boxart issue - this time around, the boxart has no bias, and makes no mention of either PSP or DS. I know that the image is BASED on the PSP box art, but only due to convenience - the DS boxart's side-logo is curved, so the image would look odd. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, because various reviews say that the sound is better implemented on the DS version, even though the PSP has better sound hardware. I've played both versions and the DS sound with this game is definitely better to my ears. Of course, whether the sound in a game on different platforms is 'good' or 'bad' can be very subjective, so it's best not to mention it as we all have a different opinion and Wikipedia isn't a review site. Let's just stick to the known facts, such as the resolution on the PSP being a bit higher, the DS version having better multi-player support, etc. --Gaunt (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Any particular reason the information about the PSP's better audio quality constantly gets removed? I think I know, I have both versions and it's obvious to tell the difference. LuGiADude (talk) 13:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, no, it's not the DS boxart showing a bias, it is clearly the content in the article. However, I will not change the boxart back, but have added a SINGLE LINE to show that the PSP version does have advantages too ¬.¬. LuGiADude (talk) 12:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- What you're really saying is that you want the PSP boxart displayed because you think that the use of the DS boxart means that the article is slightly biased against the PSP version, correct? By that argument you could say that Wiki articles that use the boxart for, say, the PC version of a game is then biased against the XBox 360 version, which is patently ridiculous, and it would be impractical to display the boxart for multiple releases. The DS boxart was the one first displayed - I know, I created this article back in February (although at that time only the Japanese DS boxart was available but was later replaced with the US version). And it will remain that way, so please show a little maturity and stop changing it (I see from your own discussion page that you have been reprimanded before for getting into edit wars: [1]. --Gaunt (talk) 08:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
- Swapping one fair use image for another is not needed and not a compromise, especially since it's more than obvious that it's the PSP boxart. There's no justification for the switch. The current boxart has been there for almost 10 months (1 day after the article was created), satisfies WP:FU. TJ Spyke 16:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I guess you are that much of a fanboy that you would care ONE bit that it dare resemble the PSP boxart. They're almost exactly the same, and VG guidelines say that a boxart without any indicator of its system should be used. No one CARES that it resembles the other box art, because we aren't dealing in fanboy console wars. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- I thought this issue was settled until I noticed he went back and did it again. The cropped DS box is less noticeable than a cropped PSP box. The cropped DS box is a nice even square, hard to tell what system its for. PSP has a distinctive shape that is the opposite. TJ Spyke 16:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Distinctive? Right - I guess I forgot that "rectangle" is the most distinctive shape in gaming. I guess that all of a sudden, an image that cuts off part of the art just for fanboyish reasons is the best box art. The discussion has been over because one person and only one person cares. The PSP box art is better. You haven't even, at any given point in history, EVER established that the PSP has a distinctive shape. The fact of the matter is that you're proposing we replace this perfectly fine box art, that looks like a generic box art, that only someone who is aware of the series or is a PSP owner would recognize, with a modified DS box art that cuts off part of the art, and can only resemble a DS box art. Basically, you are suggesting we use a worse image for the sake of retaining DS dominance in the infobox. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'd have to go along with Hippie on this one, the PSP box art looks like it cuts off less of the art, and I don't even have a PSP. Could we leave it at that and stop the fanboy wars now?--ZXCVBNM 20:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Actually I think the art is just different; it's not cropped at all. Honestly, it really shouldn't matter which one is up there. As long as it illustrates what the game is... I'd only go with the DS one because it was more critically favored and it'd fit in the box better though. -- Nomader (Talk) 21:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'd have to go along with Hippie on this one, the PSP box art looks like it cuts off less of the art, and I don't even have a PSP. Could we leave it at that and stop the fanboy wars now?--ZXCVBNM 20:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Distinctive? Right - I guess I forgot that "rectangle" is the most distinctive shape in gaming. I guess that all of a sudden, an image that cuts off part of the art just for fanboyish reasons is the best box art. The discussion has been over because one person and only one person cares. The PSP box art is better. You haven't even, at any given point in history, EVER established that the PSP has a distinctive shape. The fact of the matter is that you're proposing we replace this perfectly fine box art, that looks like a generic box art, that only someone who is aware of the series or is a PSP owner would recognize, with a modified DS box art that cuts off part of the art, and can only resemble a DS box art. Basically, you are suggesting we use a worse image for the sake of retaining DS dominance in the infobox. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- I thought this issue was settled until I noticed he went back and did it again. The cropped DS box is less noticeable than a cropped PSP box. The cropped DS box is a nice even square, hard to tell what system its for. PSP has a distinctive shape that is the opposite. TJ Spyke 16:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I guess you are that much of a fanboy that you would care ONE bit that it dare resemble the PSP boxart. They're almost exactly the same, and VG guidelines say that a boxart without any indicator of its system should be used. No one CARES that it resembles the other box art, because we aren't dealing in fanboy console wars. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough. In which case I will submit the PSP cover to be used as the main cover. There's no problem with that, right, as Wikipedia is completely unbiased. LuGiADude (talk) 22:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Taito designed 2 similar but different images. The DS-based image was cropped very carefully and to the point where it's not noticeable. Hippie, the PSP boxart is not similar at all to any previous box. The DS boxarts are the same shape as many previous handhelds (including all the Game Boy ones). How is using the DS based image worse than the PSP based image? PSP boxarts in general look bad due to the tall and thin shape. I would also like to point out that the DS boxart had been the image used in this article for over a year before you quietly removed it (this was when I didn't have access to the Internet, so I wasn't able to do anything or stop it from being deleted). Can you please stop being a fanboy and claiming that the PSP box is better when that is only your opinion? TJ Spyke 22:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- What you're proposing is that because of a minuscule means of identifying the PSP box art, we cannot use it. Your argument to change was not sufficient at all. I changed from a clearly DS box art to a box art with almost no identifying PSP indicators. The PSP box art was just fine, and you only changed it because of your own personal preference. And really? A PSP fanboy? I've never played a PSP in my life, and mostly edit Nintendo articles. Really? I'm a PSP fanboy now? Well, I can't say I've ever been called that before. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
- And on top of that, the box art was stable. We needed a neutral box art, and I created one. I replaced a non-neutral one with a neutral one - it'd be like if you came to Rhythm Heaven and decided to change the box art I added with a different one because "the old one was there for such a long time". I replaced the old box art with one that better fits image guidelines, which was the right thing to do. The "cycle" of stability had restarted, and there's no reason to change the PSP box art. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
- If you wanted to be neutral, the fair thing would be to have taken the image that was up for over a year and crop that (like I did with WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009, I didn't upload an Xbox 360 based image. I just cropped the PS3 boxart already there). Since the image I originally added was up for over a year, I think it's safe to say it was stable (and the neutral game cover idea is not mandatory, just recommended anyways). For the record, I actually like the current Rhythm Heaven box and we are supposed to use English boxarts instead of Japanese boxarts if an English one exists. TJ Spyke 05:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
- Why should I have to use a box art that would require modifying the image to make it not stand out? You're basically saying "why don't you put a boxart that doesn't contain the full image of the art instead of one that loses nothing of the box art?" - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
- And there is nothing remotely distinctive about "smaller rectangle". The rectangle box art is the most common box shape of this generation, with the DS being the only one with that shape. I fail to see any evidence that it is so distinctive that it is not neutral. There was no instability between the modified PSP box art and the DS box art except for one person who wants to force the DS box art to be used "just because". You cut off a part of the box art for the purpose of making sure the DS box art is used, instead of using, you know, a pure box art. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
- To end this, I propose we use this image: [2] - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
- If you wanted to be neutral, the fair thing would be to have taken the image that was up for over a year and crop that (like I did with WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009, I didn't upload an Xbox 360 based image. I just cropped the PS3 boxart already there). Since the image I originally added was up for over a year, I think it's safe to say it was stable (and the neutral game cover idea is not mandatory, just recommended anyways). For the record, I actually like the current Rhythm Heaven box and we are supposed to use English boxarts instead of Japanese boxarts if an English one exists. TJ Spyke 05:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
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