Talk:Shirley McGreal

Some refs I can't access

Defender of primates.

Authors: Metz, Holly

Source: Progressive. Jul93, Vol. 57 Issue 7, p13. 1p. 1 Black and White Photograph.

Abstract: Focuses on the work of Shirley McGreal and the International Primate Protection League. Caring for injured gibbons; Suit brought against McGreal by the Austrian multinational corporation, Immuno A.G.; Growth of the Primate Protection league and current membership statistics.

Full Text Word Count: 53

ISSN: 0033-0736

Not animal rights

I left a comment at WikiProject Animal rights. McGreal was nothing to do with animal rights, she was an animal welfarist. I suggest removing "animal rights" and adding animal welfare which is found in the sourcing. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:32, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that British animal welfare activist Shirley McGreal founded the International Primate Protection League, to stop animal trafficking and traumatic animal experimentation? Source: “ Inspired, she formed the International Primate Protection League two years later. Combining passion, outrage and relentlessness, the British-born Ms. McGreal became a formidable voice against man-made misery suffered by primates from Asia, Africa and South America. She helped force India to stop exporting rhesus monkeys to the United States for military radiation experiments. She pushed for the U.S. government to close a lab at the University of California, Davis, that used smuggled baby gibbons in cancer virus experiments. She exposed trafficking rings, like one in which a Florida primate dealer smuggled six baby orangutans from Indonesian Borneo in crates marked “birds,” with Moscow expected to be their final destination.” The New York Times
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Created by Thriley (talk), Lamona (talk), and Psychologist Guy (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 22:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC).

• I'll review this. DrThneed (talk) 23:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - n

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - n
• Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: New enough, long enough. Some things to fix, although I don't think these should be too problematic.

Some copyvio clean up needed, as Earwig shows 15% similarity to Guardian obit and 13% to NY times. Much of that is just organisation names but there are some phrases that need changing e.g. "Shirley studied French and Latin at Royal Holloway, University of London" is direct from the Guardian obituary (also, it should be McGreal not Shirley in the WP article).

The hook says not just that she founded the IPPL (which is sourced to three places in the lead) but that she founded it for a purpose ("to stop animal trafficking and traumatic animal experimentation"), which I don't find in the article or the sources. The NY Times quote you've supplied talks about what the IPPL did but not necessarily that that was its intended purpose, and the "about us" IPPL page does not mention animal experimentation, afaics.

Also, v minor, the article refers to she/her all through the Animal welfare section, until the last paragraph, you could maybe use her name somewhere near the beginning of that section too?

Finally, we are collecting hooks about women for International Women's Day on March 8th, would you consider this DYK being held until then? DrThneed (talk) 01:17, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the copyvio detector is just picking up proper nouns. There doesn’t appear to be any issues there besides the minor bit about her studies. I’ll think about edits to the hook or perhaps another one entirely. Let’s see what one of the other editors who did a great deal of work on the article has to say. Thriley (talk) 06:15, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey Thriley, any progress? DrThneed (talk) 23:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder. I thought the other editor might have something to say as they seem to be quite interested in McGreal’s area of activism. I’ll have to think a bit and get back later, perhaps tomorrow. Thriley (talk) 05:04, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1: that British animal welfare activist Shirley McGreal founded the International Primate Protection League, after seeing trafficked monkeys in cages at an airport in Thailand? Thriley (talk) 00:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

DrThneed What do you think about ALT1? Thriley (talk) 01:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Thriley, ALT1 is OK with me. I chucked refs to the Guardian and Times obits at the end of the relevant sentence in the article so that the fact is easily found by readers wanting to know the source (it was previously sourced to NYT but I can't read that).

Do you have a QPQ? Looks good to go otherwise. DrThneed (talk) 02:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

DrThneed Yup. I added the QPQ to the top. Thank you for your help. Thriley (talk) 02:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

It would be really cool to see this on DYK for International Women’s Day. Thriley (talk) 02:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Great - sorry I missed the QPQ. To the promoting editor: ALT1 approved, please put in SOHA for March 8th, many thanks. DrThneed (talk) 02:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)