Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars season 5

Accessible Table Format

I posted this over on the wikiproject page but there has been no further discussion there. I don't believe a consensus was actually reached about the contestant progress table, only 1 other editor supported the changes to remove the majority of the information, while making the table accessible. I don't think removing the information is the right thing to do, and while uniformity between the different season pages isn't necessary, it is more user friendly. By using symbols as well as colors, adding footnotes and rewording the key, this table should meet the accessibility requirements.

Progress of contestants including rank/position in each episode

Contestant	1	2	3	4	52	62	72	8
Shea Couleé	SAFE	WIN+	BTM3	SAFE	WIN+	HIGH	HIGH	Winner
Jujubee	SAFE	HIGH	WIN−	HIGH	HIGH	HIGH	LOW	Runner-up
Miz Cracker	HIGH	SAFE	SAFE*	WIN+1	LOW	WIN−	WIN+	Runner-up
Blair St. Clair	SAFE	HIGH	HIGH	SAFE	LOW	LOW	ELIM	Guest
Alexis Mateo	HIGH	SAFE	SAFE*	SAFE*	HIGH	ELIM		Guest
India Ferrah	WIN−	BTM3	BTM3	BTM2	ELIM			Guest
Mayhem Miller	BTM2	SAFE	HIGH	ELIM				Guest
Mariah Paris Balenciaga	SAFE	BTM3	ELIM					Guest
Ongina	LOW	ELIM						Guest
Derrick Barry	ELIM							Guest

  Winner: The contestant won RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars.

  Runner-up: The contestant was the runner-up.

  WIN+: The contestant won the challenge and won the Lip Sync against the Lip Sync Assassin.

  WIN−:The contestant won the challenge, but lost the Lip Sync against the Lip Sync Assassin.

  HIGH: The contestant received positive critiques.

  SAFE*:The contestant received critiques.

  SAFE:The contestant was declared safe without receiving critiques.

  LOW: The contestant received negative critiques.

  BTM: The contestant was up for elimination after being named as one of the bottom queens of the week.

  ELIM: The contestant was eliminated.

1. ^ Miz Cracker and Morgan McMichaels were both declared as winners of the week 4 Lip Sync.
2. ^ In episode 5, RuPaul announced that for the remainder of the season, all contestants not deemed Top All Star of the Week would be up for elimination, regardless of their critiques.

What does everyone think? 2001:268:C01E:280D:7586:3288:8438:EF43 (talk) 08:14, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

It's work in progress to convert all pages over to a more accessible format. But specific points made:

• The manual of style says "ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information.", so where SAFE is used twice (once in cornsilk and once in white), this is a violation of the guidelines.
• MOS:ONWHITE gives the full accessibility range of colours that should be used where colour is being used as outlined where it saysn Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color-blind or visually impaired. Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible (see WCAG's "Understanding SC 1.4.3: Contrast (Minimum)")
• MOS:SMALL advises against any minimisations in text size - Reduced or enlarged font sizes should be used sparingly, and are usually done with automated page elements such as headings, table headers, and standardized templates
• MOS:ABBR denotes that abbreviations do not serve as much purpose where they are not referenced or recognised. Reduced or enlarged font sizes should be used sparingly, and are usually done with automated page elements such as headings, table headers, and standardized templates

• Multiple uses of red - different shades is not accessible either for colour blind editors.

≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 15:42, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I know it's a work in progress but I believe you're misunderstanding the guidelines and therefore incorrectly applying them to this page and I'd say based on the number of edits trying to revert the table back, the changes you are making are not popular either. In regards to the points you have mentioned:

″The manual of style says "ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information.", so where SAFE is used twice (once in cornsilk and once in white), this is a violation of the guidelines.″

• The table I proposed above does not do so due to the symbol used for SAFE with cornsilk and the updating of the key below. —2001:268:C01E:29D1:E4F4:F5FD:46B:3D79 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• There is an agreed consensus here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_RuPaul's_Drag_Race#Establishing_a_consistent_criteria_for_SAFE,_HIGH_and_LOW_placements that having multiple versions of safe is not helpful. From a user experience point of view, an editor who is visually impaired will read the entire table as "Safe*" and "Safe" but not know what they mean until the screen reader gets to the end of the table and the key is explained. That does not make sense nor is it a comparable experience to individuals who are able sighted and can see the distinction in colours. 17:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

″MOS:ONWHITE gives the full accessibility range of colours that should be used where colour is being used as outlined where it saysn Some readers of Wikipedia are partially or fully color-blind or visually impaired. Ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0's AA level, and AAA level when feasible (see WCAG's "Understanding SC 1.4.3: Contrast (Minimum)")″

• These rules are for COLORED TEXT against a white background, not for black text against a colored background. All the drag race progression tables meat the minimum contrast actually. —2001:268:C01E:29D1:E4F4:F5FD:46B:3D79 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• While you make a good point, there are other instances of colour guidelines that aren't being correctly followed if you are colourblind. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Colors discusses this as does H:Colorblind. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

″MOS:SMALL advises against any minimisations in text size - Reduced or enlarged font sizes should be used sparingly, and are usually done with automated page elements such as headings, table headers, and standardized templates″

• Small text is not used in the table above. —2001:268:C01E:29D1:E4F4:F5FD:46B:3D79 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• It was used in original iterations of the table. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

″MOS:ABBR denotes that abbreviations do not serve as much purpose where they are not referenced or recognised. Reduced or enlarged font sizes should be used sparingly, and are usually done with automated page elements such as headings, table headers, and standardized templates″

• All abbreviations are now explained and listed in the key below. —2001:268:C01E:29D1:E4F4:F5FD:46B:3D79 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• That is not good enough per MOS:ABBR which clearly says the following: Use sourceable abbreviations, many of the abbreviations have been made up and used over time but could be confusing. Furthermore, guidance says Avoid making up new abbreviations, especially acronyms and then also If it is necessary to abbreviate in small spaces (infoboxes, navboxes and tables), use widely recognised abbreviations. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

″Multiple uses of red - different shades is not accessible either for colour blind editors.″—2001:268:C01E:29D1:E4F4:F5FD:46B:3D79 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

• Again, this rule only applies when color is being used as the ONLY way to differentiate information which the two types of red in this table do not.

• That's not what H:COLOR says. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

I would ask you to kindly reconsider reverting to your table that lacks information and be careful about incorrectly following the manual of style incorrectly. We can discuss this further at the wiki project talk page if you wish. 2001:268:C01E:29D1:E4F4:F5FD:46B:3D79 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

The information deemed "missing" from the table is included elsewhere in the article and there has already been a discussion and agreement that safe with critiques versus safe without critiques makes no difference. The number of revisions is because the page is currently protected requiring pending revisions which prevents vandalism and potentially harmful edits from being displayed. The popularity of an edit is not indication if it is correct or not - the majority of editors haven't been bothered by the removal of non-confirming elements. It's a small band of IPs and editors claiming things like "it looks crap" as opposed to rational arguments. Pinged a few editors who have experience in this area @Walter Görlitz, RexxS, JohnFromPinckney, and Graham87: ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

As a screen reader user, I agree with the use of the accessible table ... for its compliance with the Manual of Style guideline on abbreviations, if nothing else. Graham87 03:55, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Stop vandalizing the contestant progress, for goodness sake

Who tf is Lime? And why is false information about Shea not winning Episode 2's Lipsync being ignored? Shea won all the lipsyncs she was in. Editors stop freaking vandalizing the contestant progess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redandvidya (talk • contribs) 08:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Voting history revamp

I would suggest a change in the look of the voting history table. The table looks quite messy and is not really clear, especially with all the different colours (also already used in the contestant progress table). I would suggest the following table. The unneccesary use of colour will be gone, and you can have a quick, easy look at the table, without getting a headache trying to figure out what everything means.

Summary of weekly voting and results

Episode	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Deciding vote	The Group	Shea	The Group	Miz Cracker	Shea	The Group	Miz Cracker
				The Group
Shea	Derrick	Ongina	Mariah	Mayhem	India	Alexis	Blair
Jujubee	Mayhem	Ongina	Mariah	Mayhem	India	Alexis	Blair
Miz Cracker	Derrick	Ongina	Mariah	Mayhem	India	Alexis	Blair
Blair	Derrick	Ongina	Mariah	Mayhem	India	Alexis	Jujubee
Alexis	Derrick	Ongina	Shea	Mayhem	India	Blair
India	Derrick	Ongina	Mariah	Mayhem	Alexis
Mayhem	Derrick	Ongina	Shea	Mayhem
Mariah	Derrick	Ongina	India
Ongina	Derrick	Ongina
Derrick	Mayhem
Eliminated queen(s)	Derrick	Ongina	Mariah	Mayhem	India	Alexis	Blair

  Top all star lost their lip sync against the assassin and so the elimination was decided by the group vote.

  Top all star won their lip sync against the assassin and so the elimination was decided by their vote.

  Top all star drew their lip sync against the assassin and both the group's vote and Top All Star's votes were taken into consideration. If both parties had chosen a different queen, then both queens were eliminated.

Thijslandsmeer (talk) 22:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Bolding Winners who lost the Lip Sync for Your Legacy

I think for All Stars 5 and 6, it might be a good idea to bold the "WIN" for the episode winners that still lost the Lip Sync for Your Legacy. This wasn't done for All Stars 2-4 since those episodes would have had winner winners in each episode, but since there's only one top All Star of the Week, I think it's a good idea to bold them just to emphasize it's the most significant placement of the week. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Bleachies (talk) 22:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Progress of contestants including rank/position in each episode

Contestant	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
Shea Couleé	SAFE	WIN	BTM3	SAFE	WIN	BTM4	BTM3	Winner
Jujubee	SAFE	HIGH	WIN	HIGH	BTM5	BTM4	BTM3	Runner-up
Miz Cracker	HIGH	SAFE	SAFE	WIN	BTM5	WIN	WIN	Runner-up
Blair St. Clair	SAFE	HIGH	HIGH	SAFE	BTM5	BTM4	ELIM	Guest
Alexis Mateo	HIGH	SAFE	SAFE	SAFE	BTM5	ELIM		Guest
India Ferrah	WIN	BTM3	BTM3	BTM2	ELIM			Guest
Mayhem Miller	BTM2	SAFE	HIGH	ELIM				Guest
Mariah Paris Balenciaga	SAFE	BTM3	ELIM					Guest
Ongina	LOW	ELIM						Guest
Derrick Barry	ELIM							Guest

  The contestant won RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars.

  The contestant was the runner-up.

  The contestant won the challenge and won the Lip Sync for Your Legacy.

  The contestant won the challenge, but lost the Lip Sync for Your Legacy.

  The contestant received positive critiques and was ultimately declared safe.

  The contestant received critiques and was ultimately declared safe.

  The contestant received negative critiques, but was ultimately declared safe.

  The contestant was in the bottom.

  The contestant was eliminated.

  The contestant returned as a guest this episode.

Shea Couleé, not Shea Coulée

The individual who took it upon themselves to change all of the Drag Race contestant progress tables has made spelling mistakes all over Wikipedia, including this one here in the table's legend. The punctuation is also very clumsy. Not the power move they thought it would be... 2607:FA49:1C40:4800:8120:CA4A:DD15:8D1A (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2021 (UTC)