Talk:Ronald Phillips (murderer)

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Requested move 11 September 2017 edit

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The result of the move request was: no consensus DrStrauss talk 13:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Ronald Phillips (murderer) → Execution of Ronald Phillips – The article, as written, is about issues surrounding the execution, not about the subject's life or his crime. The recent AfD discussion also centered on the notability of the execution. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —MRD2014 ^{Talk • Edits • Help!} 23:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 13:35, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Support per nomination. Articles of this type are not standard biographical entries and the main title headers of such entries should reflect that premise. Analogous to another recent RM — Talk:Execution of Antonio James#Requested move 29 July 2017. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Oppose It may be that the most important thing about this person is the controversy surrounding his execution, but murderers are fairly notable anyway, and it is opening a sizeable can of worms to get into arguments about whether the most important thing about murderers and other people convicted of capital offences is the controversy surrounding their execution e.g. Eddie Slovik, John Spenkelink, Timothy Evans, Ruth Ellis. PatGallacher (talk) 23:41, 25 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Support. The sourced content of the article is about the execution process with a mention of the crime. The principal claim of notability is the unusually long time between sentencing and execution. The biographical depth is trivial. And finally, murderers are not inherently notable. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Support. The execution was notable; The tragic victim was not. Andrewa (talk) 04:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Oppose - the GNG coverage, which was sufficient to close the AfD as keep, relates to the crime and the execution. Keeping the article focused on the man himself is fine in this case. — Amakuru (talk) 11:15, 27 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Oppose I'm not sure how I would !vote on an AfD, but if we are to have an article, it should be the biography, not the event. There would have been no execution without the man. We don't depersonalize people just because they were bad people or because we wish an AfD had gone another way. Coverage of the execution was coverage of Phillips. The best course here if we really think the man isn't notable is to take it again to AfD in a few months to gauge what the consensus is with more time removed from his death. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

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