Talk:Robert Pickton

Archive 1: 2005 - November 2007

Comment about Picton's background

{This article says Robert Pickton was from Sarnia Ontario. Totally wrong..incorrect. He was from British Columbia{Talk header}}

Time before parole

"The exact duration, which Pickton must serve in prison before being eligible to apply for parole, has yet be decided by the trial judge, but must be at least 10 and no more than 25 years."

Is this time for all counts combined or per each count? Is the judge obliged to sentence him in parralel or can he sentence consecutively? If the answer to both questions is the 2nd option, Pickton could be sentenced anywhere between 60-150 years. 13:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

This guy is seriously messed up, whether he committed the murders(about 99% sure) or not. Either way locking him away for life sounds pretty good to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.130.194 (talk) 14:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

He will receive concurrent life sentences, which is the standard in Canada. What the judge will do is review all the circumstances, including the fact that he has been convicted of six counts of second-degree murder, and determine his parole ineligibility period. By law, it cannot be for more than 25 years - even though he was convicted of more than one count.

It is also important for everyone to keep in mind that just because he will be allowed to apply for parole after the ineligibiliy period, doesn't mean he will get parole. Singularity42 (talk) 18:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

They might just seek Dangerous offender status too, and keep him in indefinitely. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 22:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no, a dangerous offender status cannot be sought for the offences of high treason, treason, first degree murder, and second degree murder. Technically, sentences for those offences are worse than a dangerous offender sentence. If the dangerous offender article doesn't reflect that, I'll make the appropriate edits. Singularity42 (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I guess I misread the article and thought it said only applies as opposed to does not apply. Chances are he's not getting out anyways. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 18:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

OT discussion redacted. Anchoress (talk) 20:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

He was sentanced to life in prison, not allowed to apply for parole until 25 years have past. He will never be allowed out. Just because he's elgible for parole doesn't mean he'll be given it!

I do not understand why the first paragraph needs to blatantly point out this part of the Canadian justice system. In Canada, "life" means 25 years at a maximum, barring Dangerous Offender status. I believe it should be amended to merely indicate life, with no chance of parole for twenty-five years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.137.29 (talk) 19:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Breaking news December 20

Remains of four more identified women found on farm, plus several unidentified. Anchoress (talk) 10:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

This news confuses me, my highschool was beside this place, and my brother just graduated from it this past June, this is just based on observation but it seemed that the investigation on the farm wrapped up a very long time ago. Or? TotallyTempo (talk) 23:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

If you read the article thoroughly, you'll see that the discoveries took place during the trial, but they were withheld from publication in order not to affect the jury. Furthermore, forensic experts are still sifting through the evidence. Anchoress (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

time aggravated by more than one conviction even at second degree?

Does the sentence to 25 years has been aggravated by more than one conviction even at second degree? 216.86.113.233 (talk) 19:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

If you are asking whether the judge handed down a parole inegligibiliy period of 25 years because of the multiple convictions (as one of many factors), the answer is probably yes... However, the full text of the judge's reasons for sentence have not been re-printed yet, so a definite answer cannot be given until then. Singularity42 (talk) 13:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

PDFs of appeal documents anywhere?

News reports have been quoting from the official Notice of Appeal filed by Pickton's lawyers, as well as the Notice of Appeal filed by the crown, but are the documents online anywhere in pdf form? The Vancouver Sun has various pdfs relating to the case [1] but not the appeal documents as far as I can see. --Mathew5000 (talk) 07:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, found them at CBC.ca: Crown’s Notice of Appeal Defence’s Notice of Appeal. --Mathew5000 (talk) 08:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Pic request

How about a picture of him, I am certain there are lots available up on the public doman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.223.10 (talk) 18:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Pickton's date of birth -- unexplained change

In this edit, someone from 75.27.146.195 changed the DOB in the article from 1949-10-26 to 1949-10-24. The Globe and Mail page cited [2] says October 26, so I am going to edit the article to reflect that, but this is the type of thing that newspapers sometimes get wrong. Mathew5000 (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Publication ban lifted

On 2010-08-04 stays were entered on the 20 remaining murder charges, lifting the publication ban. In the next few days, media are going to report many details of the case that have been censored for several years. In terms of this article, the question is where to put the newly published information: chronologically in the order it was published (i.e. 2010), or in the order it was originally disclosed in court (e.g. 2003). I would propose the latter. Mathew5000 (talk) 06:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I've been looking at some of the articles online now that discuss some of the evidence from the prelim inquiry and the voir dires at the trial which used to be under publication ban. Frankly a lot of it is disgusting. Here are relevant links: [3] [4] [5] Some summary of it should go into the article I guess but it's debatable and in any event I'm not going to attempt it. Mathew5000 (talk) 07:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The true reason behind the 2006 severance order is now being reported. Up to now it was kind of mysterious why those particular six victims were chosen to be tried in one grouping. The reason, according to The Globe and Mail [6], for those six victims there was physical evidence they were dead; for the other twenty victims, the defence would argue they were just "missing", and in order to secure a murder conviction the crown would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were dead. Someone should fit this into the article. —Mathew5000 (talk) 07:40, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Many court decisions from the B.C. Supreme Court, and two from the Court of Appeal, have been released in the last week; find them by searching "Pickton" at http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/search_judgments.aspx —Mathew5000 (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

this article sucks

This article needs major work, the te first paragraph goes straight into the police investigation??? Without any mention of the murders or what took place whatsoever?? Who wrote this ???? It seems more focused on the trial and the "proceedings" and the "investigation" then the fact the over 40 women were murdered. There should be more info on what happened to the victims, who was killed, and how he killed them. . before going into the investigation. The reader should know what's actually being investigated.

--24.38.155.71 (talk) 05:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Be bold and fix it! ;) -- œ^™ 10:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

There is no section on the police inquiry into the incompetance that handled the case.142.35.234.201 (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I second that, I was just wondering how "few" people were killed in Vancouver each year and this came across this, a big blemish on the city. But anyways, reading it I couldn't even figure out when he started except looking through the disordered list of cases as opposed to victims -- but then by chance (or just by searching for years down the page -- to find the earliest year) in the references I see there are perhaps additional victims so the total might be 49... Looking at source material in references may prove more informative than this article.24.86.97.151 (talk) 02:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Lack of biographical information

Although this is supposed to be a biographical article, as it stands it is entirely about the investigation, trial, and appeals. There is virtually no information about Pickton - his family, upbringing, career, lifestyle, etc.Bill (talk) 08:59, 3 December 2012 (UTC) b

I watched a docu last night about this case which I had not known, not being in Canada. There he says in an audio recording that his father died at the age of 77; it sounded like he had an 'old' father. The mother died from cancer. The family, parents had had a large piece of land just outside Vancouver which was sold for residential in the boom years. They seemed to have been very wealthy and Pickton gave lots of money away to down and outs, the drug user scene.

In Australia, police/health authority could have gone onto the property any time they wanted, because he was a food producer and the authorities are entitled to check them over. Sadly, dozens of women died in those years when police had no legal ground to check out the property. 144.136.192.55 (talk) 03:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Story told twice

The story of the the attempted murder of Wendy Lynn Eistetter is tod twice and the two versions need to be reconciled. They are mildly inconsistent and the second one does not acknowledge the first. 178.38.158.165 (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Highway of Tears

A recent cracked article claims that Pickton was identified as the murdered in some of the Highway of Tears murders. I've never heard this before and I suspect this is an error, confusing him with Bobby Jack Fowler who did commit some of them. I'm assuming that Cracked screwed up, right? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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Citation 23

I'm new to wikipedia and I'm using this guy for my serial killer project. I can't cite here for obvious reasons and when I clicked on the 23 citation the page doesn't exist anymore. I've found the page on the Wayback machine and someone might want to update it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sigil47 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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"Victims" in infobox

I updated the infobox again, as the number of 49 is not justified. Pickton was accused of 27 murders and convicted of 6. He is speculated to have perhaps been involved in more, but those are the only charges that were laid against him. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 20:54, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Nomenclature re: Canadian judges/justices.

Question: why is Justice LeBel referred to later as “LeBel J”? Insafiresmemory (talk) 08:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Blue jays???

? i think someone is trolling by saying he played for the blue jays lol , played 12 game stink with the blue jays , i search baseball reference no sighting of his name in the majors or minor league says he played in 68 , blue jays entered the league in 1977 , at first i saw wow really but its all B.S. Whiskeywhiskers (talk) 07:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Reference 17

FYI Reference 17 goes to a dead page. Thanks 209.93.89.241 (talk) 21:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)