Talk:Richmond, Indiana

Notable Richmondites

This section is extremely too long. There needs to be either a reduction, a link to a new page, or some other idea that may reduce the clutter of the page. As it stands now, this section detracts from the attractiveness of the overall Richmond page. Chris4682 Feb 13, 2007

I agree it is too long. I have deleted a few. I think that a person should not be included merely because he or she played on a college basketball team. It should have been a national championship team. I have never heard of "Sara Baker-Runway Model," and I deleted until her notability is demonstrated. Stan Vigran was a fine man but doesn't make the cut for a notable, I think. I have removed several others. Nicmart (talk) 02:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I have also deleted Rolando Mays, whose notability is not demonstrated by his own Wikipedia entry or a Google search. Nicmart (talk) 02:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal

• I think we can pretty much eliminate Hayes Arboretum as a point of interest, now, eh? --204.151.5.37 19:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

hahaha Vincent Vecera---

• Hayes isn't exactly what I call a laughing matter. It is an important part of my town, and it needs to be included in the point of interest section, because, for many, it is still a major point of interest. In addition, it is still a privately-run business open to anyone who wants to come to it. In fact, I know multiple people who work at Hayes, and it is certainly a point of interest for them. As I said before, Hayes was, and still is an important part of Richmond, something that divided the town for months, if not years. There were tears shed along with angry words exchanged over the matter, yet people are suggesting the section be deleted?--Geam9111 06:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • "Point of interest" means a point of interest for tourists, not for people who work there. That said, it immediately comes up on a Web search and it has its own WP entry. That's more than can be said for a lot of the "notable Richmondites" listed. --Tysto 01:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, I assumed that people would be able to use common sense to realize that if people are able to maintain jobs at Haye's, then there would still be visitors attending the arboretum, but I guess I shouldn't make assumptions. The point is that it is still a popular attraction in Richmond and is still a great arboretum. The sale of their land only resulted in the loss of the availability of road tours, leaving the arboretum with their walking trails among other attractions. It is still an attraction in the city of Richmond, and will remain so until it goes out of business, something that isn't a worry for Haye's as of now.--Geam9111 23:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Notable Residents

Samuel O. Hodges was born in Richmond and went on to a promising career in multiple minor league baseball organizations. 65.197.19.242 18:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)Drew

I don't think a promising minor league career is sufficiently notable. Nicmart (talk) 02:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I’ve previously trimmed it back, but contributors keep loading up the notables with people who are not notable. Having owned a business or recorded a few unsuccessful songs is not notable. 03:32, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Someone has added a warning to the section on notable persons which says in part, "Only people who already have a Wikipedia article may appear here. This establishes notability.” I can’t tell who added that, but they didn’t leave a Talk comment. I’d like to know where Wikipedia has a published rule that confirms that claim. Nicmart (talk) 02:41, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Powerball

In 1998, PB reached a then-record $295 million (annuity value). A group of 13 Ohio players laid claim to the ticket. The first community in Indiana, driving west on I-70 from Ohio, is Richmond. Was the 1998 ticket also bought in Richmond? 216.179.123.105 17:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Klan section removal

This was removed by someone who claimed that the section "was copied and pasted from a non-public domain resource. It is not allowed to be used, so it has been deleted.” I started that section, and though it has been rewritten I know that claim to be false and have reversed the deletion, which I suspect was for political reasons. I challenge the person to provide evidence to back up his claim. From where do you think it was “copied and pasted”? Prove your claim. I certainly did not copy any text from any source. All of the statements in the section are well sourced. Nicmart (talk) 00:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course it was going to be deleted eventually. That's the way Wikipedia is used to create and distort images of history. Richmond's racist history has been airbrushed out. 68.58.3.245 (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Wikipedia is a sham because of this. Nicmart (talk) 15:33, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I've restored a condensed part of the censored portion about Richmond's Klan history. We'll see how long it takes for someone to censor it again. Nicmart

(talk) 16:01, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I see the Klan section has again been removed on a pretext. The page is now thoroughly whitewashed, and the history of the local Klan will need to be posted on a site more credible. Nicmart (talk) 05:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Richmond, Virginia link?

I noticed this article because I drove through Richmond, Indiana yesterday on the National Road and looked up the page. Someday I'd like to visit, but in the meantime, I'll just mention a possible link to Richmond, VA, or question I had about the origins of this town's name. In 1806, racial tensions were high in that Richmond, because of a new law that freed blacks had to leave Virginia within a year (later revised) and due to the death of George Wythe. Also, the Virginia anti-slavery society, I believe had disbanded in response to another law restricting participation in freedom suit juries. I noticed the link for one Richmond Indiana settler is actually to a disambiguation page, and no page has yet been created for the other settler.Jweaver28 (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

According to a published history of Richmond, Indiana, "Most of the early settlers were Quakers who had become dissatisfied with the institution of slavery and had left their homes in the Carolinas for free soil in the new territories."

Notable, Redux

The notability section is too long. Some of the less notable people need to be removed. A somewhat easier pruning can be done by remove those with an, at best, tenuous link to Richmond in the first place. Here is list of people on the notable list that are not noted for their connection with Richmond in their wikipedia article, or are only mentioned as being born there. As there are many people that do have more than born there relationship, these should be considered for removal:

• Polly Bergen
• Timothy Brown (actor)
• Terry M. Cross
• George Duning
• Jack Everly
• Harry Keenan
• Margaret Landon
• Kenneth MacDonald (American actor)
• Sarah Purcell
• Jonathan Clark Rogers
• Ned Rorem
• Johnny Ross
• Chris Schenkel
• Andy Simpkins
• Bo Van Pelt
• Charles Weeghman
• Darrell M. West
  

Generic1139 (talk) 06:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Born there is good enough for people to have been included as notables on countless Wikipedia location pages. Nicmart (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

You are correct. And how long of an embedded notable persons list is too long is also a grey area. However, based on the comments in the past about the length of this list in this particular article, a useful way to shorten it is to favor persons that were important to the location, or where the location was important to them. It might be time for a separate List of People from Richmond article. This article is not meant to be a list of every person with a wikipedia article that was born in the greater Richmond area. Generic1139 (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Notable should be cut by half at this point. Nicmart (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I’ve just removed a few, including at least one I originally added. Nicmart (talk) 06:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Wendell Stanley was an undergrad at Earlham. Otherwise he has no connection to Richmond. That’s a pretty thin reason to include him in notables.Nicmart (talk) 03:48, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Re: Balthis. Having owned an insurance agency and being an Illinois state representative doesn’t seem very notable to me. If he did something historic as a state rep, I’d change my mind, but if not I’d say remove him. Nicmart (talk) 02:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Harold Jones

Arguably the most prominent living Richmond native is Tony Bennett’s long-time drummer, Harold Jones (drummer). Mr. Jones has inexplicably lacked a Wikipedia entry until today, and I have created one. He’s been added to notables in this entry. Nicmart (talk) 02:07, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

New Creations school

According to news reports the school was closed in 2016, so I have removed it. If those reports were wrong, it can be restored. Nicmart (talk) 04:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Christopher Benfey, literary critic

What has he to do with Richmond? He wasn’t born there, according to his entry. Nicmart (talk) 03:24, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Explosion

The 1968 explosion was very important in Richmond’s history and deserves greater explication. Nicmart (talk) 02:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Challenges

The downtown explosion should be expanded in a new section. Mention of the Swayne-Robinson fire has no historical important and should be removed. Nicmart (talk) 01:36, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Rose City

Is the history associated with roses of more than the people who were alive at the time? If it is then I think more information is required to justify its inclusion. Was Hill’s a major supplier of roses in the nation? What data support the prominence of Richmond as a center of rose production? Nicmart (talk) 14:46, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Annexation

The population/census data is potentially misleading because the city has annexed small nearby localities into its tax and service base. Way.net reports (public domain) "The land area of Richmond has increased from 11.6 square miles in 1960 to 18.4 square miles in 1990; a change of 58.6%. In 2000, the land area of Richmond was 23 square miles, an increase of 23% in ten years. However, as the population slightly increased from 1990 to the year 2000, the land area grew as well. The 2000 population density is 1701 persons per square mile, a decrease in density from 1990 of 2,103.5 persons per square mile. The decrease in density of population in persons per square mile reflects a trend towards lower density development growth and of population migration." Way.net 76.75.18.208 (talk) 18:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction: it is now waynet.org

now waynet.org 76.75.18.208 (talk) 18:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)